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Sean : 9/14/2020 9:40 pm
The Steelers are an elite defense and arguable a Super Bowl contender. The Giants played tough. Not converting a TD after the muffed punt and the Jones red zone pick killed us.

But, this team was scrappy tonight & may have faced the toughest defense they’ll see all year.

Improvement is key in the next few weeks. But, it isn’t all bad.
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I don't know about that.  
FStubbs : 9/14/2020 9:41 pm : link
Granted, it's early, but Washington Team Football's defensive line is going to maul this offense if it doesn't improve.
Yes,  
CowboyHaters : 9/14/2020 9:42 pm : link
I agree. We just need to learn to run block. The coaching seems better to me.
We have a decent front seven  
djm : 9/14/2020 9:44 pm : link
I mean we got our asses kicked but two fluky turnovers. Gotta play better. Who knows. Just get better every week or month. Please.
I'm not.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2020 9:44 pm : link
This team is still completely devoid of talent. When does Gettleman get the axe?
Coaching  
darren in pdx : 9/14/2020 9:44 pm : link
seems better overall, defense played a little more competitive until the very end. Offense is still a work in progress.
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GiantEgo : 9/14/2020 9:45 pm : link
DEVOID!
Same here, encouraged.  
j_rud : 9/14/2020 9:45 pm : link
The majority of posters here said they hoped for competitive football. Well, they played competitive football against a good team. Yet the whiners are out in force.

Plenty to clean up, plenty to feel good about.
boy  
MookGiants : 9/14/2020 9:45 pm : link
we have gotten used to watching awful football if we're pretty encouraged after this tonight.

There's a few positives, but not a whole lot.

Still one of the worst rosters in the sport. Barkley's talent is immense, but with the state of the roster most of his prime is going to be wasted away on a garbage team.
OL still stinks  
Breeze_94 : 9/14/2020 9:45 pm : link
how long until we see Peart at RT? Fleming is awful. Hardly an upgrade over even Bobby Hart...

As bad as Fleming was, Gates was the weakest link tonight. Getting driven into the backfield on every play. Want to cut him some slack though since its a new position with no game-reps going against a strong DL.

Hernandez continues to be uninspiring. May not be worthy of a second contract at this rate.

At least Thomas has looked solid in his debut
Are you watching  
socrates : 9/14/2020 9:46 pm : link
a different game? The reason it was "close" was because the Steelers were sloppy. Make no mistake this team is in big trouble.
It’s like a replay of last year  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/14/2020 9:46 pm : link
We keep it close for 2.5 quarters and then get blown out in the fourth. I’m not encouraged.
RE: We have a decent front seven  
Matt M. : 9/14/2020 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14971702 djm said:
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I mean we got our asses kicked but two fluky turnovers. Gotta play better. Who knows. Just get better every week or month. Please.
They weren't fluky. The first was a great read by Watt, but it was a bad read and throw by Jones. Without Watt, that would still by a bad throw behind Engram.
RE: Same here, encouraged.  
MookGiants : 9/14/2020 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14971717 j_rud said:
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The majority of posters here said they hoped for competitive football. Well, they played competitive football against a good team. Yet the whiners are out in force.

Plenty to clean up, plenty to feel good about.


This is the NFL. Not a MAC school traveling to Columbus, ohio.

They're down 16 points with 5 minutes to go.

If we're encouraged because they didn't get their doors blown off, then this fanbase has become so accustomed to losing they're just happy if there's a second half to watch.

Daniel Jones is the one promising part about this team. Maybe Slayton too. Not much else
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GiantEgo : 9/14/2020 9:47 pm : link
A REPLAY!
2 fluky picks  
nygiants16 : 9/14/2020 9:48 pm : link
defenae played well, gave up a couple of drives, game is different without those fluky ints..

There are some pieces on this team..

Offensive line held up passing, thomas looked pretty good
RE: Are you watching  
j_rud : 9/14/2020 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14971728 socrates said:
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a different game? The reason it was "close" was because the Steelers were sloppy. Make no mistake this team is in big trouble.

09/2020

If you cant even post under your real handle why should anyone take you seriously? Socrates AND Plato sign up for accounts this month. Helluva coincidence.
Low-ered expectaaaaations  
widmerseyebrow : 9/14/2020 9:49 pm : link
Nearly a decade of horrendous roster and play have us grasping for any kind of positives year after year. We're still short about 2 or 3 offensive lineman (Hernandez is off scholarship after this year) which is just lovely with our high first round RB heading into his 3rd year.
This team continues to look like the worst  
prdave73 : 9/14/2020 9:50 pm : link
Team every year. It’s bad.. We have seen teams completely rebuild and yet they do not look as awful as the Giants do. This team looks like they don’t even belong.. so embarrassing..
RE: boy  
Matt M. : 9/14/2020 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14971720 MookGiants said:
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we have gotten used to watching awful football if we're pretty encouraged after this tonight.

There's a few positives, but not a whole lot.

Still one of the worst rosters in the sport. Barkley's talent is immense, but with the state of the roster most of his prime is going to be wasted away on a garbage team.
I said this after his rookie year. I loved the pick, but it only makes sense if you put together an OL. You can't rely on him to make 200 yards on his own every week. He will end up being wasted.
Well I'm not  
moespree : 9/14/2020 9:51 pm : link
It's the same problem I've been watching since about 2014. It just never gets any better.
RE: RE: We have a decent front seven  
Matt M. : 9/14/2020 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14971745 Matt M. said:
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In comment 14971702 djm said:


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I mean we got our asses kicked but two fluky turnovers. Gotta play better. Who knows. Just get better every week or month. Please.

They weren't fluky. The first was a great read by Watt, but it was a bad read and throw by Jones. Without Watt, that would still by a bad throw behind Engram.
And the second also wasn't fluky. Jones slowed to try to hit Slayton moving toward the corner. That pick is on him.
The Bad: It's still all about the OLine which was terrible tonight  
Chris684 : 9/14/2020 9:53 pm : link
Barkley didn't have a chance and the pass pro got worse as the night went on.

I have been done with Evan Engram for 2 years so nothing new there.

The Good:

Jones has all the potential in the world.

Pass rush looked more active.

Logan Ryan will be a big help.
I agree  
kennyd : 9/14/2020 9:53 pm : link
Plenty to build on. Yes, we have pieces missing but this is the best I've felt about a loss in a few years. Jones is very clearly the real deal, I liked the tempo, the preperation, etc. We have a way to go but considering the D we faced, all the changes, the youth, etc. I'm OK.
RE: It’s like a replay of last year  
rocco8112 : 9/14/2020 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14971733 JoeyBigBlue said:
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We keep it close for 2.5 quarters and then get blown out in the fourth. I’m not encouraged.


agree, same shit

I feel more indifferent than encouraged. Hopefully they improve.
This is a bad team  
Knineteen : 9/14/2020 9:55 pm : link
It’s been a bad franchise for years now.
What was encouraging?  
Matt M. : 9/14/2020 9:56 pm : link
Other than Jones and Slayton looking like last year was no fluke for the rookies, what looked good? I guess Peppers as a PR.

The OL still looks among the worst. The secondary looks bad. The pass rush is inconsistent. The couldn't come up with stops when they needed them. We got a gift on the muffed punt and settled for 3 when the ball started on the 3. We handed the ball back after a Peppers PR gave us excellent field position. We allowed the score before the half. We allowed the drive after the 2nd INT and then immediately gave the ball right back for another score.
Washington  
Toth029 : 9/14/2020 9:57 pm : link
Don't have the Steelers front seven.
RE: RE: Same here, encouraged.  
j_rud : 9/14/2020 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14971746 MookGiants said:
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In comment 14971717 j_rud said:


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The majority of posters here said they hoped for competitive football. Well, they played competitive football against a good team. Yet the whiners are out in force.

Plenty to clean up, plenty to feel good about.



This is the NFL. Not a MAC school traveling to Columbus, ohio.

They're down 16 points with 5 minutes to go.

If we're encouraged because they didn't get their doors blown off, then this fanbase has become so accustomed to losing they're just happy if there's a second half to watch.

Daniel Jones is the one promising part about this team. Maybe Slayton too. Not much else


Thomas played well, big deal for a rookie LT. Martinez had a really good game. Carter took a step. DL looks very good. We had a pass rush. The start of the 3rd quarter was a big difference from last year, getting the stop and moving the ball on the most methodical drive Ive seen in years. Special teams with a turnover and solid punt returns.

Its not a finished product, clearly. And hey, if you want to be miserable by all means, you're entitled. But there are positives if you want to acknowledge them.
RE: Same here, encouraged.  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/14/2020 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14971717 j_rud said:
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The majority of posters here said they hoped for competitive football. Well, they played competitive football against a good team. Yet the whiners are out in force.

Plenty to clean up, plenty to feel good about.


Screw that! Competitive football without Ws sucks as bad as getting your butt whooped. It's early, but seeing signs of the last 3 or 4 years still showing up is not encouraging. Sloppy win over a competitive loss works for me all day, because that leads to meaningful games in December.
I’m confused..  
Sean : 9/14/2020 9:59 pm : link
A ton of ppl here thought this is a 3 win team, but now you’re all bent out of shape for losing to a top 5 defense and arguable SB contender?
It's the same problems we've been watching for over half a decade now  
moespree : 9/14/2020 10:00 pm : link
It's been a bad team for a long time and is still a bad team. I think you might even be able to make a solid argument tonight was the single worst run blocking the Giants offensive line has put forth in this terrible stretch. There's not much you can point to and say, well at least that seems to be improved. There's really not if we're to be honest.

this site is great  
KDubbs : 9/14/2020 10:00 pm : link
for everything but football talk. the last bunch of years have been miserable. no moral victories but none of us thought this game would be anywhere near what it was against 1 of the better teams in nfl.

lets fix things and beat the bears
Let's see how we play vs.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2020 10:01 pm : link
Chicago next Sunday.
RE: Washington  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/14/2020 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14971825 Toth029 said:
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Don't have the Steelers front seven.


You must not have watched them play. They may not have as dynamic a pass rushing group as Pitt, but that's only because Chase is a Rookie. Their interior line is stout and Ryan is a very good pass rusher. Chase showed signs that he's very much worthy of the #2 pick. Secondary is garbage, but that Line is good.
The interior..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 10:02 pm : link
D is very solid and we got a lot of early pressure on Ben.

OL looked better at pass pro, but the run blocking is atrocious.

You guys might disagree, but the coverage looks much improved to me. We aren't seeing a lot of blown coverages or miscommunications.
Only thing giving me hope is that the Steelers are good  
BestFeature : 9/14/2020 10:02 pm : link
But the fact that they were scrappy makes me less encouraged. If we just didn't show up it would be one thing, but we were beaten decisively even though we played hard.
That defensive front is the best in football  
nygiants16 : 9/14/2020 10:02 pm : link
Jones stood in the pocket and made throws, pass protrction was good overall..

Defense showed good signs, need to find another corner on the outside, wouldnt be shocked to see ryan out there next week..
RE: Let's see how we play vs.  
j_rud : 9/14/2020 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14971852 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Chicago next Sunday.


This team will beat Chicago by 10 points. And I never make predictions like that.
RE: I’m confused..  
Matt M. : 9/14/2020 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14971836 Sean said:
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A ton of ppl here thought this is a 3 win team, but now you’re all bent out of shape for losing to a top 5 defense and arguable SB contender?
I did not think this was a 3 win team. I was not sure what it would be, but was expecting better than the 4 wins last year and 5 the year before. Tonight, they didn't look significantly better than those teams, in my opinion. Most disappointing is how bad the OL looked.
Bradberry was as advertised  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/14/2020 10:03 pm : link
If his teammates stopped picking him...
Well the roster isn’t changing much in 2020  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2020 10:04 pm : link
time to quit complaining about the talent and get behind what we’ve got.
No doubt the team looks better coached  
GiantEgo : 9/14/2020 10:06 pm : link
I think they will learn much from this game and move forward.
RE: RE: I’m confused..  
nygiants16 : 9/14/2020 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14971874 Matt M. said:
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In comment 14971836 Sean said:


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A ton of ppl here thought this is a 3 win team, but now you’re all bent out of shape for losing to a top 5 defense and arguable SB contender?

I did not think this was a 3 win team. I was not sure what it would be, but was expecting better than the 4 wins last year and 5 the year before. Tonight, they didn't look significantly better than those teams, in my opinion. Most disappointing is how bad the OL looked.


They looked bad running, but pass blocking Jones had plenty of time
RE: Well the roster isn’t changing much in 2020  
Matt M. : 9/14/2020 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14971885 UConn4523 said:
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time to quit complaining about the talent and get behind what we’ve got.
Well, this team knows a lot about getting behind over the last few years.
RE: Well the roster isn’t changing much in 2020  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2020 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14971885 UConn4523 said:
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time to quit complaining about the talent and get behind what we’ve got.


As you often say, it won't make a difference in the outcome.

Complain or get behind the team it makes zero difference.

It may be tedious to listen to, but it changes nothing, so why does it matter?
Martinez looks like a good pickup.  
Britt in VA : 9/14/2020 10:06 pm : link
Jones looked great despite the 2 INT's.

Pass blocking was good.

Defense did a good job stopping the run for 3 QTR's.

I really like what I saw from Jason Garrett's playcalling.
BBI. PLEASE LEARN HOW THIS GOES  
BleedBlue : 9/14/2020 10:07 pm : link
NEW coaches
2nd year QB with less than 16 starts
NEW scheme
NEW LT
NEW OL working to gel together
YOUNG defense with a NEW captain, 4th and 5th rounders starting in secondary
GOOD steelers team with a GREAT front 7
They have had the same HC and QB for a LONG time

The giants had a good showing considering NO preseason, limited camps, covid, etc. we have to have some patience.

The positives:

1. martinez and bradberry look like really solid adds. martinez is GREAT at POA

2. thomas looks so legit considering his first game against a stud front

3. the pass rush actually did okay, williams and d law looked awesome

4. slayton is an ABSOLUTE #1. I have no clue why people dont think the giants have a #1 WR. the guy does it all.

5. Jones looked good, he runs the offense well. throws a sharp ball with great accuracy. the redzone INT was his FIRST EVER and i think it was a result of him trying to make a play that wasnt there and throwing it away too late.

overall, i feel good. we beat the bears next week
WTF do some of you expect a 2nd year QB to do against  
montanagiant : 9/14/2020 10:10 pm : link
An SB caliber team When he has a negative run game?

Even though that 19 play drive ended in a mistake how do you not watch that and realize we have something here with this kid?
RE: The interior..  
j_rud : 9/14/2020 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14971866 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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D is very solid and we got a lot of early pressure on Ben.

OL looked better at pass pro, but the run blocking is atrocious.

You guys might disagree, but the coverage looks much improved to me. We aren't seeing a lot of blown coverages or miscommunications.


Tonight was telling for the fanbase here. Nearly *everyone* called this a 3 to 6 win team and said they wanted competitive football. Then they play a competitive but surely flawed game against a really good team and a lot of people are freaking the fuck out and claiming nothing has changed. When plenty surely fucking has.

People can say they have low expectations but a lot of them are full of shit. Im not saying you should like losing. But if you cant see past your disappointment and see the differences from last year until tonight you need to take a breath and step away from the tv for a minute.
I don't think Jones  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2020 10:12 pm : link
had plenty of time most drop backs - just a handful he wasn't pressured.

He was sacked 3 times and hit 8 more.

11 times out of 41 drop backs and that doesn't include the hurries or plays Jones used his athleticism to avoid a sack and there was plenty of those.

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