The roster after 3 off seasons from this general manager is just abysmal. Hopefully 16 weeks until he’s finally and rightfully terminated.
There is no talent on this roster. It’s incredible that with the number of high draft picks we have had how badly Gettleman has done. Just abysmal job, zero playmakers.
This was probably a slightly better offensively and slightly worse defensively version of last year's Pats game. This team came to play, they're just not that good. Even if Judge becomes a HOFer some day, he's still a first year HC.
*Barkley has a long way to go. Once in a generation-type prospect - but must realize his potential in the NFL.
*Engram and Carter - the offseason heroes - were pretty much the same players they've shown to date. Which is what really should've been expected. Very little pressure off the edge.
*Jones' good will is going to run out soon. I was his biggest supporter pre-draft but he needs to show another level to his game, and quickly.
*Judge is physical, we like how he answers questions at press conferences, we like that he's young, but so far it was the same team. Shooting themselves in the foot with penalties and strange play calling. Couldn't cover the middle of the field, got worn out and exposed over a 60 minute football game.
*This was an easy game for the Steelers which is what we should all have hoped not to see. The Steelers have a far better roster than the Giants and would probably win 10 games out of 10. When they needed to do something, they did it. When they went for the kill, they killed. Their coaches, on both sides of the ball, seemed to have our number. Not a good start for Judge's staff.
Give it up on Barkley and lofty career goals. He's going to be a footnote because he has no run blocking. He'll be lucky to get to 6,000 yards career rushing at this rate.
The overarching disappointing thing is the Giants drafted an all world running back, and by and large have been average to bad running team since.
The Giants just cannot run block. It’s the lineman, it’s the tight ends, it’s WRs, it’s the FB. It’s crazy. It’s pathetic. The Giants resort to misdirection pass plays on short yardage because they can’t run. It’s crazy.
People were literally telling me earlier today Barkley would be a disappointment if doesn’t have 2000 yards this year. He should line up at WR if he wants to eclipse 1000.
Barkley had 2,000 yards from scrimmage as a rookie two years ago.
And the Giants were 24th in the NFL in rushing. Barkley is not going to sniff 2K this year, because he’s not going to sniff 1300 yards rushing if he’s met in the backfield virtually every carry.
It’s not Barkley’s fault. It’s a cakewalk on every rushing down for the defense.
some of you expect him to fly over the 4 guys that are always in the backfield on handoffs? Dont understand some of the comments towards him. get on him for his shitty blocking not his running
1. Jones had some moments tonight, or had a number of moments where he looked like a burgeoning top qb. His pocket presence was noticeable better. The decision making is still coming along, and I cannot fault him for the first INT, that was a great play by Watt. The second INT was problematic, bit a simple throw away will take care of that. Overall impressed by a lot of aspects of Jones' game, and the pocket presence improvement is encouraging. Tweak the decision making and we may be looking at the best qb in the division by year's end.
2. Darius Slayton is turning into a star. Defenses will have to account for him and Jones.
3. Thomas seems to have held his own. We didn't hear his name called like we all became accustomed to with Flowers, etc.
4. The rest of the Oline is a complete mess and should be better in year 3 under DG. Maybe it will improve but not much that inspired confidence other than Thomas.
5. I just don't see the transcendent talent that has been touted on BBI with regard to Barkley. He is a very good player, but not impactful enough to justify his draft position and certainly not a cap choking extension. If you want to tell me that its the OL or the coaching or schemes, fine, but these are all reasons why you dont invest highly in a RB without other pieces in place. I see a bigger version of Reggie Bush, not Faulk or Barry Sanders. Change my mind.
6. Defense played hard but not enough impact players. Though Dexter Lawrence looked promising.
Great post. Im not ready to give up on Barkley. But to not fault of his own he’s been put into a terrible situation. With the current dreadful situation with the roster and O line specifically I don’t know if a year from now we can justify spending $18 million a year on Barkley. Depending on how Peart develops this team may need 4 new starters on the o line
Ahhh, if only we could go back to those years of the 70’s. That’s what
So many of you on here sound like. If you’re a fan you’re a fan and try to look at the team is a struggle. The question s whether you honk we have a chance of building. I think that the answer for me is a qualified yes .
I saw a raw young team with some talent and problems playing a veteran team that is talented confident and polished. As I happy, no, but not
hysterical as many here seem to be.
1. Jones had some moments tonight, or had a number of moments where he looked like a burgeoning top qb. His pocket presence was noticeable better. The decision making is still coming along, and I cannot fault him for the first INT, that was a great play by Watt. The second INT was problematic, bit a simple throw away will take care of that. Overall impressed by a lot of aspects of Jones' game, and the pocket presence improvement is encouraging. Tweak the decision making and we may be looking at the best qb in the division by year's end.
2. Darius Slayton is turning into a star. Defenses will have to account for him and Jones.
3. Thomas seems to have held his own. We didn't hear his name called like we all became accustomed to with Flowers, etc.
4. The rest of the Oline is a complete mess and should be better in year 3 under DG. Maybe it will improve but not much that inspired confidence other than Thomas.
5. I just don't see the transcendent talent that has been touted on BBI with regard to Barkley. He is a very good player, but not impactful enough to justify his draft position and certainly not a cap choking extension. If you want to tell me that its the OL or the coaching or schemes, fine, but these are all reasons why you dont invest highly in a RB without other pieces in place. I see a bigger version of Reggie Bush, not Faulk or Barry Sanders. Change my mind.
6. Defense played hard but not enough impact players. Though Dexter Lawrence looked promising.
As far as #6 what was noticeable was the lack of any competent CB outside of Bradberry. I also wish our DB’s from 2019 Draft would be more physical.
Every season since the Giants last superbowl run there has been a need to construct an OL. Every season there is failure and this years reason is new starters. Next years reason will be something else. Barkley is completed wasted in this offense primarily due to the line. The organization has failed to build a line. They are not getting the most from their decisions in this area (coaching, scheme, talent, etc). If it were once in a while we could say it is normal that all franchises face bad lines. The Giants wishfully think when constructing the line. What doesn't help is blitz pick up problems by the star RB and consistent confusion on the line. No vitriol or wishful thinking here. Just poor OL for 9 seasons running.
Frank, I hear you but you are not being realistic if you expected the new offensive line (again, three new starters), without OTAs, without mini-camps, without the preseason, and only 14 practice to come out and control the of scrimmage against of the of the very best front sevens in football. I covered in this in my game preview. I said the only way the Giants had a shot to win this game is if they didn't make the killer mistakes on offense. Well, they did. And a game that they could have been winning 17-16 in the 4th quarter was quickly got out of hand.
I thought Thomas and Hernandez looked solid, especially after the halftime adjustment to get Thomas on DuPree. Gates had problems, but he was playing his first game against an AllPro. Zeitler and Fleming were ok, hopefully they improve.
I don't get why we can't run. If teams are bringing everyone into a run blitz to stop Barkley, which they are, then what we changed into during the 2nd half should have worked. We went with a few TE sets. Somehow we also missed a block or two, and it was not always the OL. Just because they get to Barkley doesn't automatically mean its the OL that blew it
1. Jones had some moments tonight, or had a number of moments where he looked like a burgeoning top qb. His pocket presence was noticeable better. The decision making is still coming along, and I cannot fault him for the first INT, that was a great play by Watt. The second INT was problematic, bit a simple throw away will take care of that. Overall impressed by a lot of aspects of Jones' game, and the pocket presence improvement is encouraging. Tweak the decision making and we may be looking at the best qb in the division by year's end.
2. Darius Slayton is turning into a star. Defenses will have to account for him and Jones.
3. Thomas seems to have held his own. We didn't hear his name called like we all became accustomed to with Flowers, etc.
4. The rest of the Oline is a complete mess and should be better in year 3 under DG. Maybe it will improve but not much that inspired confidence other than Thomas.
5. I just don't see the transcendent talent that has been touted on BBI with regard to Barkley. He is a very good player, but not impactful enough to justify his draft position and certainly not a cap choking extension. If you want to tell me that its the OL or the coaching or schemes, fine, but these are all reasons why you dont invest highly in a RB without other pieces in place. I see a bigger version of Reggie Bush, not Faulk or Barry Sanders. Change my mind.
6. Defense played hard but not enough impact players. Though Dexter Lawrence looked promising.
Great post. Im not ready to give up on Barkley. But to not fault of his own he’s been put into a terrible situation. With the current dreadful situation with the roster and O line specifically I don’t know if a year from now we can justify spending $18 million a year on Barkley. Depending on how Peart develops this team may need 4 new starters on the o line
I can't imagine Barkley taking a dime to stay right now. His career's being wasted.
Your inability to factor in the level of competition that Giants were playing against tonight is astounding. As I mentioned in my preview, this was a terrible opponent for the Giants to start the season off with.
And yes, Barkley is going to rush for MORE than 1,300 yards this season.
1. Jones had some moments tonight, or had a number of moments where he looked like a burgeoning top qb. His pocket presence was noticeable better. The decision making is still coming along, and I cannot fault him for the first INT, that was a great play by Watt. The second INT was problematic, bit a simple throw away will take care of that. Overall impressed by a lot of aspects of Jones' game, and the pocket presence improvement is encouraging. Tweak the decision making and we may be looking at the best qb in the division by year's end.
2. Darius Slayton is turning into a star. Defenses will have to account for him and Jones.
3. Thomas seems to have held his own. We didn't hear his name called like we all became accustomed to with Flowers, etc.
4. The rest of the Oline is a complete mess and should be better in year 3 under DG. Maybe it will improve but not much that inspired confidence other than Thomas.
5. I just don't see the transcendent talent that has been touted on BBI with regard to Barkley. He is a very good player, but not impactful enough to justify his draft position and certainly not a cap choking extension. If you want to tell me that its the OL or the coaching or schemes, fine, but these are all reasons why you dont invest highly in a RB without other pieces in place. I see a bigger version of Reggie Bush, not Faulk or Barry Sanders. Change my mind.
6. Defense played hard but not enough impact players. Though Dexter Lawrence looked promising.
I came here to state your first bullet point. I think Jones'pocket presence was much better.
Every season since the Giants last superbowl run there has been a need to construct an OL. Every season there is failure and this years reason is new starters. Next years reason will be something else. Barkley is completed wasted in this offense primarily due to the line. The organization has failed to build a line. They are not getting the most from their decisions in this area (coaching, scheme, talent, etc). If it were once in a while we could say it is normal that all franchises face bad lines. The Giants wishfully think when constructing the line. What doesn't help is blitz pick up problems by the star RB and consistent confusion on the line. No vitriol or wishful thinking here. Just poor OL for 9 seasons running.
Frank, I hear you but you are not being realistic if you expected the new offensive line (again, three new starters), without OTAs, without mini-camps, without the preseason, and only 14 practice to come out and control the of scrimmage against of the of the very best front sevens in football. I covered in this in my game preview. I said the only way the Giants had a shot to win this game is if they didn't make the killer mistakes on offense. Well, they did. And a game that they could have been winning 17-16 in the 4th quarter was quickly got out of hand.
This isn't a video game.
Saquon needs to work on his pass blocking however. One of those sacks in the second half is on him, he completely whiffed when No.28 blitzed and sacked Jones.
It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
Every season since the Giants last superbowl run there has been a need to construct an OL. Every season there is failure and this years reason is new starters. Next years reason will be something else. Barkley is completed wasted in this offense primarily due to the line. The organization has failed to build a line. They are not getting the most from their decisions in this area (coaching, scheme, talent, etc). If it were once in a while we could say it is normal that all franchises face bad lines. The Giants wishfully think when constructing the line. What doesn't help is blitz pick up problems by the star RB and consistent confusion on the line. No vitriol or wishful thinking here. Just poor OL for 9 seasons running.
That's right. Even in that last SB run the line wasn't very good McKenzie was done that year and was a turnstile. Eli manned up and took beatings all the way to the SB. A series of performances for the ages.
We are paying for a flawed draft strategy by Reese. He did not value Oline in the draft. And then we started reaching because things were a mess. It seems like the talent might be getting there. Alas, it's an odd year so we're minus a tackle. But it seems to be moving in the right direction.
Thomas looked pretty good tonight. Hopefully the line will come together with reps. I'm not a big fan of getting excited that we only lost by 10 in an NFL game. However, the Steelers were a tough draw for week one as their defense is tough.
the play. While Herbstreit said Barkley blew the block, Barkley took the interior rusher first - it was what he was supposed to do:
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Saquon needs to work on his pass blocking however. One of those sacks in the second half is on him, he completely whiffed when No.28 blitzed and sacked Jones.
That sack was on a DB blitz from 12 yards away that Jones didn't pick up or feel.
If Jones doesn't throw the interception (90 yrd drive), its a 1 pt lead midway through 3rd Q and all bets are off. Hell, even it Pit doesn't recover their own fumble at their 35, its a game.
The only gripe you can have against a top 5 defense it that they were overpowered at the LOS against the run - no chance. Jones had time and a pocket most of the game.
They looked better than Brady and the Bucs - and alot of other "elite" teams this week.
It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
cant run block
had the ball at the 40 or better at least 5 times
no pass rush
got a fumble recovery at the 4 yd line and scored 3
had a 19 play drice and turned it over at the 6
SCORED 10 REAL POINTS
It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
to admit, even for BBI, I'm a bit taken aback by the vitriol being posted. Not sure what fans were expecting tonight. The prevailing opinion before the game seemed to be, "I'll be OK if they stay close for most of the game."
When you don’t understand the game and you’re an emotional person you’re going to say stupid things.
Scrolling through the game thread is like watching commentary about a PlayStation game
cant run block
had the ball at the 40 or better at least 5 times
no pass rush
got a fumble recovery at the 4 yd line and scored 3
had a 19 play drice and turned it over at the 6
SCORED 10 REAL POINTS
what has changed?
I'm as hard on the Giants as anyone but I don't get the 10 point thing. It wasnt 45-10, one score and a 2 point conversion makes the game within reach. It was a great drive from a qb starting his 13th game. Do you think Pitt wanted them to score?
Your inability to factor in the level of competition that Giants were playing against tonight is astounding. As I mentioned in my preview, this was a terrible opponent for the Giants to start the season off with.
And yes, Barkley is going to rush for MORE than 1,300 yards this season.
The Steelers are very good, but they aren’t 0.4 yards a carry good. The Giants are deeply, deeply bad at run blocking.
Give me one good reason Barkley will eclipse his rush total from 2018?
It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
Even with the turnovers this team was competitive longer than anyone expected. Not many teams will have 19 play drives against Pittsburgh. This was a game last year would have been 28-10 at halftime and 42-10 after 3 quarters.
Pittsburgh is a legit SB contender. And we were picking 4th in the draft. It’s insane to think you can make up that level of difference in exactly zero games from last year to this year. I don’t think it’s going out on a limb to say that by. December we will be fighting To win the East.
It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
Even with the turnovers this team was competitive longer than anyone expected. Not many teams will have 19 play drives against Pittsburgh. This was a game last year would have been 28-10 at halftime and 42-10 after 3 quarters.
That's great, now if we can only get the NFL to count moral victories, we'd actually have a chance to make the playoffs.
If Barkley wants to be considered an elite player, he can't just get a bunch of yards against the Redskins. He needs to show up in games like this, bad o-line or not. This happens all too often with him unfortunately.
Walnut, I'd love to hear what play you have in mind. The guy had NOWHERE to run. In my opinion he made two bad plays, one where he tried to loop back to his right and lost 10 yards when he should have dived to his left and lost 3. And he dropped the 1st down pass in the first quarter. Otherwise, even a guy on a motorcycle wouldn't have had enough daylight to go anywhere. Oh, and his pass blocking was slightly better than it was last year.
It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
thats also a great point, I still believe you dont know the definition of blowout
It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
Even with the turnovers this team was competitive longer than anyone expected. Not many teams will have 19 play drives against Pittsburgh. This was a game last year would have been 28-10 at halftime and 42-10 after 3 quarters.
That's great, now if we can only get the NFL to count moral victories, we'd actually have a chance to make the playoffs.
Rome wasn’t built in a day. We were by far the best of the teams with new head coaches despite facing a playoff caliber team. Yes there are still areas we need to work on, but there were positives here. Let’s not forget how badly we looked under Spagnuolo his first two games here. How did that season end up?
If Barkley wants to be considered an elite player, he can't just get a bunch of yards against the Redskins. He needs to show up in games like this, bad o-line or not. This happens all too often with him unfortunately.
Walnut, I'd love to hear what play you have in mind. The guy had NOWHERE to run. In my opinion he made two bad plays, one where he tried to loop back to his right and lost 10 yards when he should have dived to his left and lost 3. And he dropped the 1st down pass in the first quarter. Otherwise, even a guy on a motorcycle wouldn't have had enough daylight to go anywhere. Oh, and his pass blocking was slightly better than it was last year.
It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
Even with the turnovers this team was competitive longer than anyone expected. Not many teams will have 19 play drives against Pittsburgh. This was a game last year would have been 28-10 at halftime and 42-10 after 3 quarters.
That's great, now if we can only get the NFL to count moral victories, we'd actually have a chance to make the playoffs.
Rome wasn’t built in a day. We were by far the best of the teams with new head coaches despite facing a playoff caliber team. Yes there are still areas we need to work on, but there were positives here. Let’s not forget how badly we looked under Spagnuolo his first two games here.
How did that season end up?
Apparently it wasn't build in three previous rebuilding yeats either.
That’s just not good enough for most Sundays yes the Steelers are very good on defense but they just showed a blueprint for beating this team. We had one guy on offense show up, Engram once again where does he disappear to in so many games. Miracles do happen Williams did get a sack can we really expect him to do it again this year? The team effort is commendable but as you can see they lack talent across the roster.
There is no talent on this roster. It’s incredible that with the number of high draft picks we have had how badly Gettleman has done. Just abysmal job, zero playmakers.
*Engram and Carter - the offseason heroes - were pretty much the same players they've shown to date. Which is what really should've been expected. Very little pressure off the edge.
*Jones' good will is going to run out soon. I was his biggest supporter pre-draft but he needs to show another level to his game, and quickly.
*Judge is physical, we like how he answers questions at press conferences, we like that he's young, but so far it was the same team. Shooting themselves in the foot with penalties and strange play calling. Couldn't cover the middle of the field, got worn out and exposed over a 60 minute football game.
*This was an easy game for the Steelers which is what we should all have hoped not to see. The Steelers have a far better roster than the Giants and would probably win 10 games out of 10. When they needed to do something, they did it. When they went for the kill, they killed. Their coaches, on both sides of the ball, seemed to have our number. Not a good start for Judge's staff.
Give it up on Barkley and lofty career goals. He's going to be a footnote because he has no run blocking. He'll be lucky to get to 6,000 yards career rushing at this rate.
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The overarching disappointing thing is the Giants drafted an all world running back, and by and large have been average to bad running team since.
The Giants just cannot run block. It’s the lineman, it’s the tight ends, it’s WRs, it’s the FB. It’s crazy. It’s pathetic. The Giants resort to misdirection pass plays on short yardage because they can’t run. It’s crazy.
People were literally telling me earlier today Barkley would be a disappointment if doesn’t have 2000 yards this year. He should line up at WR if he wants to eclipse 1000.
Barkley had 2,000 yards from scrimmage as a rookie two years ago.
And the Giants were 24th in the NFL in rushing. Barkley is not going to sniff 2K this year, because he’s not going to sniff 1300 yards rushing if he’s met in the backfield virtually every carry.
It’s not Barkley’s fault. It’s a cakewalk on every rushing down for the defense.
2. Darius Slayton is turning into a star. Defenses will have to account for him and Jones.
3. Thomas seems to have held his own. We didn't hear his name called like we all became accustomed to with Flowers, etc.
4. The rest of the Oline is a complete mess and should be better in year 3 under DG. Maybe it will improve but not much that inspired confidence other than Thomas.
5. I just don't see the transcendent talent that has been touted on BBI with regard to Barkley. He is a very good player, but not impactful enough to justify his draft position and certainly not a cap choking extension. If you want to tell me that its the OL or the coaching or schemes, fine, but these are all reasons why you dont invest highly in a RB without other pieces in place. I see a bigger version of Reggie Bush, not Faulk or Barry Sanders. Change my mind.
6. Defense played hard but not enough impact players. Though Dexter Lawrence looked promising.
Great post. Im not ready to give up on Barkley. But to not fault of his own he’s been put into a terrible situation. With the current dreadful situation with the roster and O line specifically I don’t know if a year from now we can justify spending $18 million a year on Barkley. Depending on how Peart develops this team may need 4 new starters on the o line
I saw a raw young team with some talent and problems playing a veteran team that is talented confident and polished. As I happy, no, but not
hysterical as many here seem to be.
See you next week.
2. Darius Slayton is turning into a star. Defenses will have to account for him and Jones.
3. Thomas seems to have held his own. We didn't hear his name called like we all became accustomed to with Flowers, etc.
4. The rest of the Oline is a complete mess and should be better in year 3 under DG. Maybe it will improve but not much that inspired confidence other than Thomas.
5. I just don't see the transcendent talent that has been touted on BBI with regard to Barkley. He is a very good player, but not impactful enough to justify his draft position and certainly not a cap choking extension. If you want to tell me that its the OL or the coaching or schemes, fine, but these are all reasons why you dont invest highly in a RB without other pieces in place. I see a bigger version of Reggie Bush, not Faulk or Barry Sanders. Change my mind.
6. Defense played hard but not enough impact players. Though Dexter Lawrence looked promising.
As far as #6 what was noticeable was the lack of any competent CB outside of Bradberry. I also wish our DB’s from 2019 Draft would be more physical.
Do you not see him getting hit 3 yards in the backfield? Exactly what style is a guy supposed to employ that would avoid that?
But then again - one fuckhead said Benny Snell would have 100 yards if he played for us.
Frank, I hear you but you are not being realistic if you expected the new offensive line (again, three new starters), without OTAs, without mini-camps, without the preseason, and only 14 practice to come out and control the of scrimmage against of the of the very best front sevens in football. I covered in this in my game preview. I said the only way the Giants had a shot to win this game is if they didn't make the killer mistakes on offense. Well, they did. And a game that they could have been winning 17-16 in the 4th quarter was quickly got out of hand.
This isn't a video game.
I don't get why we can't run. If teams are bringing everyone into a run blitz to stop Barkley, which they are, then what we changed into during the 2nd half should have worked. We went with a few TE sets. Somehow we also missed a block or two, and it was not always the OL. Just because they get to Barkley doesn't automatically mean its the OL that blew it
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1. Jones had some moments tonight, or had a number of moments where he looked like a burgeoning top qb. His pocket presence was noticeable better. The decision making is still coming along, and I cannot fault him for the first INT, that was a great play by Watt. The second INT was problematic, bit a simple throw away will take care of that. Overall impressed by a lot of aspects of Jones' game, and the pocket presence improvement is encouraging. Tweak the decision making and we may be looking at the best qb in the division by year's end.
2. Darius Slayton is turning into a star. Defenses will have to account for him and Jones.
3. Thomas seems to have held his own. We didn't hear his name called like we all became accustomed to with Flowers, etc.
4. The rest of the Oline is a complete mess and should be better in year 3 under DG. Maybe it will improve but not much that inspired confidence other than Thomas.
5. I just don't see the transcendent talent that has been touted on BBI with regard to Barkley. He is a very good player, but not impactful enough to justify his draft position and certainly not a cap choking extension. If you want to tell me that its the OL or the coaching or schemes, fine, but these are all reasons why you dont invest highly in a RB without other pieces in place. I see a bigger version of Reggie Bush, not Faulk or Barry Sanders. Change my mind.
6. Defense played hard but not enough impact players. Though Dexter Lawrence looked promising.
Great post. Im not ready to give up on Barkley. But to not fault of his own he’s been put into a terrible situation. With the current dreadful situation with the roster and O line specifically I don’t know if a year from now we can justify spending $18 million a year on Barkley. Depending on how Peart develops this team may need 4 new starters on the o line
I can't imagine Barkley taking a dime to stay right now. His career's being wasted.
And yes, Barkley is going to rush for MORE than 1,300 yards this season.
2. Darius Slayton is turning into a star. Defenses will have to account for him and Jones.
3. Thomas seems to have held his own. We didn't hear his name called like we all became accustomed to with Flowers, etc.
4. The rest of the Oline is a complete mess and should be better in year 3 under DG. Maybe it will improve but not much that inspired confidence other than Thomas.
5. I just don't see the transcendent talent that has been touted on BBI with regard to Barkley. He is a very good player, but not impactful enough to justify his draft position and certainly not a cap choking extension. If you want to tell me that its the OL or the coaching or schemes, fine, but these are all reasons why you dont invest highly in a RB without other pieces in place. I see a bigger version of Reggie Bush, not Faulk or Barry Sanders. Change my mind.
6. Defense played hard but not enough impact players. Though Dexter Lawrence looked promising.
I came here to state your first bullet point. I think Jones'pocket presence was much better.
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Every season since the Giants last superbowl run there has been a need to construct an OL. Every season there is failure and this years reason is new starters. Next years reason will be something else. Barkley is completed wasted in this offense primarily due to the line. The organization has failed to build a line. They are not getting the most from their decisions in this area (coaching, scheme, talent, etc). If it were once in a while we could say it is normal that all franchises face bad lines. The Giants wishfully think when constructing the line. What doesn't help is blitz pick up problems by the star RB and consistent confusion on the line. No vitriol or wishful thinking here. Just poor OL for 9 seasons running.
Frank, I hear you but you are not being realistic if you expected the new offensive line (again, three new starters), without OTAs, without mini-camps, without the preseason, and only 14 practice to come out and control the of scrimmage against of the of the very best front sevens in football. I covered in this in my game preview. I said the only way the Giants had a shot to win this game is if they didn't make the killer mistakes on offense. Well, they did. And a game that they could have been winning 17-16 in the 4th quarter was quickly got out of hand.
This isn't a video game.
Saquon needs to work on his pass blocking however. One of those sacks in the second half is on him, he completely whiffed when No.28 blitzed and sacked Jones.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
That's right. Even in that last SB run the line wasn't very good McKenzie was done that year and was a turnstile. Eli manned up and took beatings all the way to the SB. A series of performances for the ages.
We are paying for a flawed draft strategy by Reese. He did not value Oline in the draft. And then we started reaching because things were a mess. It seems like the talent might be getting there. Alas, it's an odd year so we're minus a tackle. But it seems to be moving in the right direction.
Thomas looked pretty good tonight. Hopefully the line will come together with reps. I'm not a big fan of getting excited that we only lost by 10 in an NFL game. However, the Steelers were a tough draw for week one as their defense is tough.
That sack was on a DB blitz from 12 yards away that Jones didn't pick up or feel.
The only gripe you can have against a top 5 defense it that they were overpowered at the LOS against the run - no chance. Jones had time and a pocket most of the game.
They looked better than Brady and the Bucs - and alot of other "elite" teams this week.
Pittsburgh had more weapons and Ben started to just target whomever Bradberry wasn’t covering.
Do you not see him getting hit 3 yards in the backfield? Exactly what style is a guy supposed to employ that would avoid that?
But then again - one fuckhead said Benny Snell would have 100 yards if he played for us.
9-24 under Gettleman. Worst record in NFL since 2017. When will it be time to admit they need to completely overhaul player personnel?
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
To quote something Vince Lombardi said:
“Fatigue makes cowards of us all.”
That might be one explanation; on the other hand Ballantine got beat almost all night and we had almost nothing from the pass rush in the second half.
had the ball at the 40 or better at least 5 times
no pass rush
got a fumble recovery at the 4 yd line and scored 3
had a 19 play drice and turned it over at the 6
SCORED 10 REAL POINTS
what has changed?
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It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
Start holding more on the OL because the run blocking thing isn’t working.
When you don’t understand the game and you’re an emotional person you’re going to say stupid things.
Scrolling through the game thread is like watching commentary about a PlayStation game
had the ball at the 40 or better at least 5 times
no pass rush
got a fumble recovery at the 4 yd line and scored 3
had a 19 play drice and turned it over at the 6
SCORED 10 REAL POINTS
what has changed?
I'm as hard on the Giants as anyone but I don't get the 10 point thing. It wasnt 45-10, one score and a 2 point conversion makes the game within reach. It was a great drive from a qb starting his 13th game. Do you think Pitt wanted them to score?
And yes, Barkley is going to rush for MORE than 1,300 yards this season.
The Steelers are very good, but they aren’t 0.4 yards a carry good. The Giants are deeply, deeply bad at run blocking.
Give me one good reason Barkley will eclipse his rush total from 2018?
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It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
Even with the turnovers this team was competitive longer than anyone expected. Not many teams will have 19 play drives against Pittsburgh. This was a game last year would have been 28-10 at halftime and 42-10 after 3 quarters.
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by a couple of people that Barkley doesn't run hard is fucking incredible.
Do you not see him getting hit 3 yards in the backfield? Exactly what style is a guy supposed to employ that would avoid that?
But then again - one fuckhead said Benny Snell would have 100 yards if he played for us.
9-24 under Gettleman. Worst record in NFL since 2017. When will it be time to admit they need to completely overhaul player personnel?
What in the fuck does that have to do with the ignorant comments that Barkley isn't running hard enough??
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It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
Even with the turnovers this team was competitive longer than anyone expected. Not many teams will have 19 play drives against Pittsburgh. This was a game last year would have been 28-10 at halftime and 42-10 after 3 quarters.
That's great, now if we can only get the NFL to count moral victories, we'd actually have a chance to make the playoffs.
Again, this is not a video game. You don't just roll out three new starters with 14 practices against the Steelers and not expect this.
I was amazed how well Thomas did against a legit Defensive Player of the Year candidate.
Walnut, I'd love to hear what play you have in mind. The guy had NOWHERE to run. In my opinion he made two bad plays, one where he tried to loop back to his right and lost 10 yards when he should have dived to his left and lost 3. And he dropped the 1st down pass in the first quarter. Otherwise, even a guy on a motorcycle wouldn't have had enough daylight to go anywhere. Oh, and his pass blocking was slightly better than it was last year.
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It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
thats also a great point, I still believe you dont know the definition of blowout
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It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
Even with the turnovers this team was competitive longer than anyone expected. Not many teams will have 19 play drives against Pittsburgh. This was a game last year would have been 28-10 at halftime and 42-10 after 3 quarters.
That's great, now if we can only get the NFL to count moral victories, we'd actually have a chance to make the playoffs.
Rome wasn’t built in a day. We were by far the best of the teams with new head coaches despite facing a playoff caliber team. Yes there are still areas we need to work on, but there were positives here. Let’s not forget how badly we looked under Spagnuolo his first two games here. How did that season end up?
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If Barkley wants to be considered an elite player, he can't just get a bunch of yards against the Redskins. He needs to show up in games like this, bad o-line or not. This happens all too often with him unfortunately.
Walnut, I'd love to hear what play you have in mind. The guy had NOWHERE to run. In my opinion he made two bad plays, one where he tried to loop back to his right and lost 10 yards when he should have dived to his left and lost 3. And he dropped the 1st down pass in the first quarter. Otherwise, even a guy on a motorcycle wouldn't have had enough daylight to go anywhere. Oh, and his pass blocking was slightly better than it was last year.
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It's embarrassing the state this team is in that people are falling over themselves to say how not at all disappointed they are with yet another opening day loss.
This place will always find a way to justify how this blowout is better than the previous blowout, but the end result will not change. This team will not be a winning team until it gets sold.
i dont think you know what blowout means. it was 1 turnover from being a giants lead going into the 4th. it wasnt 42-10 but wtf do I know im one of those idiots that was encouraged
Thats a great point, if you take away the turnovers and take away the Steelers touchdowns while you're at it, the Giants actually won this game.
Even with the turnovers this team was competitive longer than anyone expected. Not many teams will have 19 play drives against Pittsburgh. This was a game last year would have been 28-10 at halftime and 42-10 after 3 quarters.
That's great, now if we can only get the NFL to count moral victories, we'd actually have a chance to make the playoffs.
Rome wasn’t built in a day. We were by far the best of the teams with new head coaches despite facing a playoff caliber team. Yes there are still areas we need to work on, but there were positives here. Let’s not forget how badly we looked under Spagnuolo his first two games here.
How did that season end up?
Apparently it wasn't build in three previous rebuilding yeats either.
More time is needed and more talent.
More time is needed and more talent.
We’ve been in Year One for three now.
More time is needed and more talent.
Ahem, this is year 3 of the rebuild. And yes more time is needed.