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Positives and Negatives from tonight (5 of each)

MookGiants : 9/14/2020 10:46 pm
Positives

1. Slayton
2. Jones
3. Thomas
4. Lawrence
5. Peppers as a PR

Negatives

1. Peppers as a safety
2. Zeitler
3. Fleming
4. Holmes
5. Barkley's pass blocking

Barkley overall had shit numbers, but there's not a running back in the league that could have run behind this line against that defense tonight.

Peppers just doesn't do much of anything on defense.

Jones is the goods. Some things to work on, but if they surround him with a good line he will be a pro bowl level QB.

Lawrence by far the best player we have on defense.

Thomas was solid for his first game against that defense. Slayton keeps on producing.

Zeitler is a big concern for me. Holmes struggled big time but that's likely a result of no pre-season games and being a rookie.

Tough to make any judgements about Joe Judge after this game. They seemed like they were prepared and played hard. No real in game situations to critique, very vanilla situations as far as game strategy goes.

Garrett was decent. Hard to call a great game when you have zero ability to run the football and you're playing a terrific defense to begin with.

I'm not encouraged or discouraged by this start. About what I expected. It's wearing on all of us watching this team do nothing but lose for a while now.

Go Giants






Good post  
Danny Kanell : 9/14/2020 10:48 pm : link
Slight disagree on Holmes. I actually thought he played ok, especially in the first half.
I’d add Martinez  
mfsd : 9/14/2020 10:49 pm : link
he was all over the field. Carter was pretty good too. The rest of our LBs, eh
Negative  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2020 10:50 pm : link
Evan Engram
I think you are too tough  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/14/2020 10:50 pm : link
On Holmes. He was struggling to get through the pick plays. He will figure that out. Otherwise I thought his coverage was good.
...  
christian : 9/14/2020 10:50 pm : link
Barkley takes more straight up, stopped in his tracks hits in the backfield than I can ever remember a player taking. It’s going to wear him down.
I think Peppers  
Phil in LA : 9/14/2020 10:52 pm : link
finally looks more like a football player than athlete, and hope he improves.
RE: I’d add Martinez  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14972187 mfsd said:
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he was all over the field. Carter was pretty good too. The rest of our LBs, eh


Martinez looked good. And Ballantine needs to sit.
We don’t have talent to compete  
M.S. : 9/14/2020 10:55 pm : link
With upper echelon teams.

We are in Year One of a 3-year build.
Holmes did okay.  
NYRiese : 9/14/2020 10:58 pm : link
In fact he did pretty good.
Ballantine was game but got strategically picked upon, with experience and confidence I think he will be okay.
Hmmm,  
section125 : 9/14/2020 10:58 pm : link
Jones belongs on both lists.

Though Holmes played much better than Bradberry who made one nice PD but was constantly out of position and getting picked

Martinez was all over the place

Graham seemed to lose rhythm on his def play calling and stopped blitzing.
Did not like Garrett's red zone play calling.

Thought Carter played a very good game, also.

Gates got his ass kicked all night, but since it was his 1st game no need to be mad about it.


I also think LT Villanueva got away with blatant holding all night. Even on LW's sack he had both shoulder pads gripped tight.
Not  
AcidTest : 9/14/2020 11:00 pm : link
a fan of the play calling. As GoDeep13 said on another thread, Pittsburgh was run blitzing on many first downs, and yet we continually ran Barkley right into that play call by their defense. That just put us in second and third and long.
Easy  
BleedBlue : 9/14/2020 11:01 pm : link
1. Martinez and bradberey additions
Martinez is a stud at POA and shows great range. He looked mcluch better than littleton who many of us wanted instead in FA

2. Thomas. Looked stout

3. Jones has great command of offense and was asked to do alot with no run game against a great defense

4. Slayton is a gamer

5. Coaching was MUCH better. Not a single head scratching call and we had a ton of those under shurm and mcadoo. Loved.up.tempo look


Negatives

1. Interior OL looked weak

2. Run blocking and run game

3. Ballentine wow...rough time but still young

4. Early drops hurt us, engram.looked bad

5. Need better WR play outside slay
Jones threw two bad interceptions, especially the goal line one  
SGMen : 9/14/2020 11:04 pm : link
If Jones doesn't throw those two picks, well, maybe we have a shot at a win?

But again, I think we played the best defense in football and moved it at times. We just could NOT run the ball at all and that has a lot to do with rookie LT; new OC Gates; and Fleming a journeyman. I couldn't focus on Zeitler but he was facing a stud.
If you end..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 11:05 pm : link
up rewatching the game, I'm going to guess Barkley's pass pro wasn't too bad.

He picked up several rushers early on, and one of the plays that Herbstriet criticized him for wasn't his assignment. He already went to block an interior rusher before the DB came to the backfield. On a DB blitz from 10+ yards out, that's on the QB to get the ball out. You've got more men rushing than blockers
RE: If you end..  
BleedBlue : 9/14/2020 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14972255 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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up rewatching the game, I'm going to guess Barkley's pass pro wasn't too bad.

He picked up several rushers early on, and one of the plays that Herbstriet criticized him for wasn't his assignment. He already went to block an interior rusher before the DB came to the backfield. On a DB blitz from 10+ yards out, that's on the QB to get the ball out. You've got more men rushing than blockers



He had one bad one that stands out
RE: Good post  
Anakim : 9/14/2020 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14972184 Danny Kanell said:
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Slight disagree on Holmes. I actually thought he played ok, especially in the first half.


Agree. I thought Holmes played well in the first half.
Barkley was much better  
section125 : 9/14/2020 11:10 pm : link
then last year but still missed a couple. He will get better. Blocking is "want to" more than ability.

Mahomes  
Carl in CT : 9/14/2020 11:15 pm : link
Couldn’t have won with that line. Jones was our best player by far. No help.
I could fault Jones for the second pick  
BSIMatt : 9/15/2020 2:21 am : link
I don’t mind the first one, Watt made a great play on a timing/rhythm pass where Jones was simply throwing to a spot, he jumped it..if that’s the type of play called and a de/olb is athletic enough to get their hands up and pull it down, tip your hat to them..great play.
Special Teams as a whole looked solid  
TXRabbit : 9/15/2020 2:55 am : link
Gibril did well on PRs
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