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1st Quarter Non Challenge on Jones Throw/Fumble

GF1080 : 9/14/2020 11:12 pm
Could Judge have challenged the play that Jones actually fumbled? If so would that have been ruled a TD or we can't advance a fumble? It was glossed over pretty quickly during the broadcast.
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Danny Kanell : 9/14/2020 11:12 pm : link
Very Shurmur-like.
Yea  
BleedBlue : 9/14/2020 11:13 pm : link
I didnt think it would have been a TD bjt we wohld have had ball at inch line and a jones sneak probably scores. Def could have changed things some. Also would have help me because i had watt in fantasy haha
You can..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 11:13 pm : link
advance a fumble, but my guess is that since the play was blown dead, it would only be a recovery at the 1.
Should have challenged  
Daniel in MI : 9/14/2020 11:17 pm : link
fire Joe Judge!

(Just kidding. Would have been a strange challenge. "My player absolutely fumbled! This is Jones we're talking about, he's a fumble machine. Ref: You have a point...TD Giants." Papers tomorrow: "Jones keeps fumbling, Giants love it!")
Thought this was the only thing Judge missed  
glowrider : 9/14/2020 11:18 pm : link
Would have liked to have seen the challenge. The concept of challenging to cause a fumble must’ve crossed them up, but it won’t happen again.
And a useful Jones fumble  
glowrider : 9/14/2020 11:18 pm : link
Ruled incomplete. The irony.
He could have challenged, but  
CT Charlie : 9/14/2020 11:20 pm : link
1) Not even the announcers questioned it in real time, and only two BBIers claimed that it was fumble. It looked like a pass, as it went forward 6-8 yards, and

2) If anyone knew it might have been a fumble, it would have been Jones. He didn't say anything or encourage Judge to challenge it.
My  
AcidTest : 9/14/2020 11:24 pm : link
guess is that the last conversation that Jones wanted to have with Judge was to admit that he fumbled, regardless of the outcome.
It looked like his arm got hit and it was a possible fumble  
glowrider : 9/14/2020 11:26 pm : link
And it looked that way in real time and on the replay it was very clear. There was time before the snap to replay. That was my perspective. And we do have Amos Jones who I believe is supposed to be on that sort of stuff.
A fumble on replay..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 11:29 pm : link
that wasn't ruled a fumble goes to the spot it was recovered

It still would be 4th and goal. Why waste a challenge on that?
If there was no advancing, then none  
glowrider : 9/14/2020 11:32 pm : link
I am(was?) fairly confident the ball would have advanced, however, since it was recovered in the end zone.

This is my memory, haven’t rewatched.
It was recovered,,  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 11:34 pm : link
at the 1 and the OL player then took a couple steps and fell into the end zone
I’ll take your word for it until I can see it again  
glowrider : 9/14/2020 11:36 pm : link
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Judge  
GF1080 : 9/14/2020 11:40 pm : link
I just wasn't sure of the rule. I wasn't starting thread to question Judge. Damn near impossible to really challenge it.
RE: A fumble on replay..  
BillKo : 9/14/2020 11:43 pm : link
In comment 14972334 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that wasn't ruled a fumble goes to the spot it was recovered

It still would be 4th and goal. Why waste a challenge on that?


3rd and goal.

Then pass went incomplete to Engram.

RE: A fumble on replay..  
shyster : 9/14/2020 11:43 pm : link
In comment 14972334 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that wasn't ruled a fumble goes to the spot it was recovered

It still would be 4th and goal. Why waste a challenge on that?


It happened on second down and would have been third and goal, maybe inside the 1 if not a TD.

The third and goal play was the pass in Engrams's direction that he only got a finger on.

well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 11:44 pm : link
then it should be challenged!!

My bad
Not even a critique on Judge  
glowrider : 9/14/2020 11:57 pm : link
More about the incredibly high expectations that that sort of detail wouldn’t go unnoticed, and the fact there is a special projects coach, it’s the sort of thing his mentor would have caught. But, totally nitpicking a minor, nuanced point that will leave a lesson, on an otherwise extremely impressive Head Coaching debut.

His first game ever as a head coach. Well done, just to be clear overall.
Did anyone else think that JuJu  
BH28 : 9/15/2020 12:07 am : link
Didn't get both feet established in bounds when he recovered that fumble? I thought that was worth a challenge.
Screamed about it but whaddya gonna do?  
glowrider : 9/15/2020 12:19 am : link
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That one was more emotional, admittedly  
glowrider : 9/15/2020 12:20 am : link
Kind of in between blocking and a charge
RE: Did anyone else think that JuJu  
shyster : 9/15/2020 12:20 am : link
In comment 14972426 BH28 said:
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Didn't get both feet established in bounds when he recovered that fumble? I thought that was worth a challenge.


I don't think that gets the Giants anywhere because it would just mean the ball was dead when JuJu touched it and possession reverts to the last player who had possession, the ball carrier.

RE: RE: Did anyone else think that JuJu  
glowrider : 9/15/2020 12:27 am : link
In comment 14972448 shyster said:
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In comment 14972426 BH28 said:


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Didn't get both feet established in bounds when he recovered that fumble? I thought that was worth a challenge.



I don't think that gets the Giants anywhere because it would just mean the ball was dead when JuJu touched it and possession reverts to the last player who had possession, the ball carrier.


This is correct. I don’t think you challenge that play, but the right call should’ve occurred.
RE: RE: Did anyone else think that JuJu  
BH28 : 9/15/2020 12:51 am : link
In comment 14972448 shyster said:
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In comment 14972426 BH28 said:


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Didn't get both feet established in bounds when he recovered that fumble? I thought that was worth a challenge.



I don't think that gets the Giants anywhere because it would just mean the ball was dead when JuJu touched it and possession reverts to the last player who had possession, the ball carrier.


Ah. My bad
Nobody's really bagging on Judge  
BlackLight : 9/15/2020 1:18 am : link
but if the Giants are like most teams, the HC has to rely on people watching replays to communicate to him when he needs to challenge a play. And I'm guessing nobody did.
I thought it was a fumble as soon as I saw it  
ZogZerg : 9/15/2020 7:08 am : link
The announcers were oblivious, as usual.
Would have been a strange challenge, but they probably would have won it.

Good learning moment for Judge and getting someone to track these things to help out.

The problem is, the coverage of these games has SUCKED! You don't see a replay until it is too late most of the time.

Or, you just don't see one at all. Not just this game, all the games are like this. I guess the NFL is trying to save money...
RE: He could have challenged, but  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 9/15/2020 8:25 am : link
In comment 14972311 CT Charlie said:
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1) Not even the announcers questioned it in real time, and only two BBIers claimed that it was fumble. It looked like a pass, as it went forward 6-8 yards, and

2) If anyone knew it might have been a fumble, it would have been Jones. He didn't say anything or encourage Judge to challenge it.


I'm sure i heard one of the announcers questioning whether it might have been a fumble. And losing the timeout if the play was not overturned would not be that harmful in the first half.

but it would have been interesting for a coach to challenge and say my qb actually fumbled.
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