And that includes Erick Flowers.I was looking forward to see how he would play at Center but tonight was as bad as it gets. I get that it was against one of the best DLines in the NFL but that performance was unacceptable. I’d like to give him another week to see if he improved but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Pulley start next week. The play linked below is just a small sample of what he looked like tonight...
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Why the hell did anyone think it was going to go well in the short term.
It is entirely possible we could look 20 games from now and go WOW, that was a hell of a couple drafts Gettleman had. It's going to be awful for a while though. At least these guys are young, athletic, and not re-treads.
Why the hell did anyone think it was going to go well in the short term.
It is entirely possible we could look 20 games from now and go WOW, that was a hell of a couple drafts Gettleman had. It's going to be awful for a while though. At least these guys are young, athletic, and not re-treads.
Shane Lemieux was a RG. Nick Gates was an undrafted OT.
Why the hell did anyone think it was going to go well in the short term.
It is entirely possible we could look 20 games from now and go WOW, that was a hell of a couple drafts Gettleman had. It's going to be awful for a while though. At least these guys are young, athletic, and not re-treads.
Um, Gates was a 5th round RT?!?
Undrafted free agent OTs that never played Center before in their lives shouldn't be starting against a top run defense.
Gettleman made some nice OL picks but he's wiffed on OC for the third year in a row.
And that's what I don't get. Gettleman's job is on the line. He remarks that he wants to fix the O-Line once and for all. And yet, he did nothing to address the C position. The 'Pio fascination was weird to begin with, but to rely on a mediocre veteran like Pulley and a novice UDFA as your starting C?
I don't get it. I really don't get it. Maybe now that veteran contracts are not guaranteed he looks at a veteran option (Justin Britt?)
Oh...they trade their 3rd round pick?
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was very bad. But he was a UDFA, is in his second year, and is playing a position he has never played at any level. The Steelers are also a top run defense.
Undrafted free agent OTs that never played Center before in their lives shouldn't be starting against a top run defense.
Gettleman made some nice OL picks but he's wiffed on OC for the third
year in a row.
He could of grabbed one this year in the draft. Gates May turn out ok, however I think it was bad personnel management to go into the season with no real plan at Center. It was a big risk and still is.
Oh...they trade their 3rd round pick?
One of 'em :P
And you want to pull him after next week?
By definition of having a different starter, they absolutely did something to address it
And you want to pull him after next week?
Eric, isn't that pretty reckless? Especially when there was an abbreviated Training Camp and no preseason. We're betting on a complete novice to be our starting C?
Or we could waste time on Spencer Pulley. Is that what you want?
The line is going to be fine.
I used to think Giants fans were smart.
I don't think that anymore.
By definition of having a different starter, they absolutely did something to address it
But definition of their rushing stats, they absolutely didn’t.
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3 cracks at free agency, and the sell-off of several veterans for picks....and still a big huge gaping hole in the offensive line. Pure incompetence.
The line is going to be fine.
I used to think Giants fans were smart.
I don't think that anymore.
Right, like how Mike Remmers was going to be a kick-ass ROT because he had tattoos and looked like a Viking?
Or we could waste time on Spencer Pulley. Is that what you want?
I want a starting C with a track record of some sort. I don't want a guy who is completely new to the position (Gates) or a guy who has been historically mediocre (Pulley). Wouldn't you feel comfortable if we had someone with proven experience (either a veteran like Justin Britt or a highly-thought of rookie like Matt Hennessy or Lloyd Cushenberry III).
I understand why the predicament. There's no other way to get Gates playing time, but it seemed like they forced the issue. I don't like how our starting C is a guy with no experience at that position. You're essentially flirting with disaster.
You guys sound like a bunch of crying babies. Jesus. Use your head.
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3 cracks at free agency, and the sell-off of several veterans for picks....and still a big huge gaping hole in the offensive line. Pure incompetence.
The line is going to be fine.
yup, just give DG a few more years. Those hog mollies are on the way!
I don't think that anymore.
BBI...where fanboy bullshit qualifies as expert opinion!
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3 cracks at free agency, and the sell-off of several veterans for picks....and still a big huge gaping hole in the offensive line. Pure incompetence.
The line is going to be fine.
I used to think Giants fans were smart.
I don't think that anymore.
Snell ran 19 times for 119 yds?! BARKLEY probably the best RB in the game ran 15 times for .5 yds??!?!??!
Something is very wrong everyone.. Even rebuild a line from scratch this shouldn't happen. Sorry it doesn't make sense. The Giants have been ignoring th eOline for years and its just now coming back to bite them in the ASS! Everyone know in the NFL, you build a good team it start with the OLINE. EVERY great team in the NFL that will make it to the playoffs has a great Oline period..
Or this could be a young progressing unit that finally will gel and catch a break.
All we saw today is the interior of the line got curb stomped by a good team. Today was bad, and outside of Thomas, coming just from this performance, there wasn’t a lot of good.
"If" being the keyword. What confidence do you have that he will be better? No NFL experience at the position. No college experience at the position. And yet he's the starter?
THREE new starters with a total of 14 practices. No preseason. No OTAs.
You don't just throw a new line together in 14 practices and play one of the best defensive fronts in football (and most complicated too with all of their stunts) and expect them to play well.
Jesus Christ.
THREE new starters with a total of 14 practices. No preseason. No OTAs.
You don't just throw a new line together in 14 practices and play one of the best defensive fronts in football (and most complicated too with all of their stunts) and expect them to play well.
Jesus Christ.
I agree with you there and like I said, I understand the predicament, but isn't that all the more reason to start a center with a proven track record?
Fuck, why not bring Eli back?
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3 cracks at free agency, and the sell-off of several veterans for picks....and still a big huge gaping hole in the offensive line. Pure incompetence.
The line is going to be fine.
I used to think Giants fans were smart.
I don't think that anymore.
One of the things that drives me nuts about fans in general....they dont seem to understand that there is a thing called player development. Its always you are what you are, and thats what you will continue to be. This was this kids FIRST COMPETITIVE GAME EVER at Center,-no OTA's, no preseason games...nothing.. and he did it against the friggin Pittsburgh Steelers!Oh, and with a new OL coach as well. He had a bad game...so thats that, throw that experiement out, pull him. End of story. JFC, were people really expecting him to play like Mike Webster right out of the box?
Garrett and Colombo will get this figured out. They already started in the 2nd half by changing formations (more TE's etc). Also a lot of it is the RB's and TE's too. I feel confident that we have good enough talent, and that the coaches know what they are doing
Also got pushed back resulting in a few negative runs.
How long until we see Peart at RT? Can't get much worse tbh.
Don't want to give up on Gates just yet. This was his first game at a new position, with no live reps in preseason going against a strong PIT DL to boot.
First game at center, let's see how he progresses.
Again, this was a vet defense and a good defense with virtually no changes from last year.
Tough matchup for our new OL.
Also got pushed back resulting in a few negative runs.
How long until we see Peart at RT? Can't get much worse tbh.
Don't want to give up on Gates just yet. This was his first game at a new position, with no live reps in preseason going against a strong PIT DL to boot.
Everyone knows that Flmeing is a placeholder for Peart.
But again, do you know who Fleming was playing against?
Do you guys know anything about the Steelers front seven? They have three All-Pros up there.
Fuck, why not bring Eli back?
Neither. Pulley and Halapio suck, but Gates is completely unproven and new to the position. I'm asking you whether you wouldn't have preferred a C with a good track record either in college (like Matt Hennessy or Lloyd Cushenberry III) or in the pros (like Justin Britt, but I'm not sure what his health status is). Pio and Pulley have proven they can't be starting C in the NFL, but Gates hasn't proved it either and the only reason we have some confidence that he can is because we trust the coaching staff.
Gates could work out and let's hope he does, but it essentially feels like we have blind faith that it happens.
The Giants haven’t had a good OL in 10+ years. They haven’t earned the benefit of the doubt.
A shitty team with a decade of shitty OL play throwing a project in as the starting Center? Yea smart money is on that guy not being the next O’Hara.
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3 cracks at free agency, and the sell-off of several veterans for picks....and still a big huge gaping hole in the offensive line. Pure incompetence.
The line is going to be fine.
I used to think Giants fans were smart.
I don't think that anymore.
One of the things that drives me nuts about fans in general....they dont seem to understand that there is a thing called player development. Its always you are what you are, and thats what you will continue to be. This was this kids FIRST COMPETITIVE GAME EVER at Center,-no OTA's, no preseason games...nothing.. and he did it against the friggin Pittsburgh Steelers!Oh, and with a new OL coach as well. He had a bad game...so thats that, throw that experiement out, pull him. End of story. JFC, were people really expecting him to play like Mike Webster right out of the box?
Call me crazy, but I'd like to root for a team that doesn't have to play a guy in his first game at a key position in a professional fucking game.
THREE new starters with a total of 14 practices. No preseason. No OTAs.
You don't just throw a new line together in 14 practices and play one of the best defensive fronts in football (and most complicated too with all of their stunts) and expect them to play well.
Jesus Christ.
Eric Wrong.. I get what your trying to say trust me, but this kind of stuff doesn't happen much if at all. We are talking about one of the best RB in the game, and he gets .5 yds for entire 4 quarters of FOOTBALL??!? I don't care how good Pitts Def is, no excuse. We have seen other teams rebuild their Olines, this rarely happens. Even when Ex pro-bowlers like Zeitler regress somehow and play like average joes when they join this team?! It doesn't make sense..
Answer the question.
Answer the question.
that's a stupid question. A competent front office gives the coaches better options than that.
It makes perfect sense.
14 practices. 14. That's never happened before.
We have three new starters, one center who has never played the position and a rookie.
We're facing three all-pros in the front seven of the Steelers defense and their other front seven guys are damn good too.
I can't help you anymore than explain it that way.
14.
You are avoiding the question now.
Garrett and Colombo - who coached in Dallas - made the decision that Gates is the best long-term option.
You on the other hand, want immediate results, no matter how unrealistic they are.
He's going to be one busy man all season long. He'll earn his paycheck.
Hopefully the line gels and this was by far the low point. Because even incremental progress and an adjustment for level competition isn’t getting this to an acceptable level.