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peteschweaty : 9/15/2020 8:30 am
DG is still looking for those hog mollies.
Deep breath  
DanBenton : 9/15/2020 8:45 am : link
Rookie LT, first-time center, three new starters, new coaching staff, no preseason, limited number of practice and opened against the league's best front seven.

Let's wait more than 60 minutes to make this judgement.
Thomas looks the part  
JonC : 9/15/2020 8:46 am : link
that's the hardest key to find.
also appears that that are still using the Ben McAdon't alignments  
Victor in CT : 9/15/2020 8:47 am : link
give the OL some help. They have 3 TEs, 2 of whom can block, and 1 is a monster.
RE: Deep breath  
Big Blue '56 : 9/15/2020 8:47 am : link
In comment 14972647 DanBenton said:
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Rookie LT, first-time center, three new starters, new coaching staff, no preseason, limited number of practice and opened against the league's best front seven.

Let's wait more than 60 minutes to make this judgement.


Hey Dan, long time no see. Hope you’re well. All’s good here
RE: Thomas looks the part  
Victor in CT : 9/15/2020 8:47 am : link
In comment 14972648 JonC said:
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that's the hardest key to find.


Agreed. He was very calm and controlled.
i'll give you thomas....  
peteschweaty : 9/15/2020 8:49 am : link
he looked good, beyond that the o-line was rag dolled. dline still can't get to the qb. dg had 3 yrs. time to retire.
Gates had a ton of bad plays, predictably  
JonC : 9/15/2020 8:50 am : link
Fleming was brutal, and Hernandez still looks overmatched too often at this level. This unit has work to do, and we should already realize that the OL at this level needs to work with a ton of cohesion and it takes a lot of reps to build it.
insightful thread  
UConn4523 : 9/15/2020 8:52 am : link
yeah, the line is still a work in progress. Are you happy we appear to have out LT of the future or no? Do you know what we have in Peart yet? Is it possible the line improves as these guys get more playing time?
Pittsburgh  
Simms : 9/15/2020 8:55 am : link
We played well with a new system against a squad that is far better than ours. Did I expect more of a running game, sure ....
RE: RE: Deep breath  
DanBenton : 9/15/2020 8:59 am : link
In comment 14972652 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14972647 DanBenton said:


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Rookie LT, first-time center, three new starters, new coaching staff, no preseason, limited number of practice and opened against the league's best front seven.

Let's wait more than 60 minutes to make this judgement.



Hey Dan, long time no see. Hope you’re well. All’s good here


Things are going well! Glad to hear all is good on your end as well. Hope you and yours are enjoying the nice fall weather and the actual return of football (which I genuinely did not think was going to happen).

I read here daily and pop in occasionally. The overreactions are always a joy.
RE: i'll give you thomas....  
BleedBlue : 9/15/2020 9:06 am : link
In comment 14972656 peteschweaty said:
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he looked good, beyond that the o-line was rag dolled. dline still can't get to the qb. dg had 3 yrs. time to retire.



Wtf? Tge DL had a solid game. The steelers couldnt run for shit until the game went on they got gassed.

Williams had a sack and so did lawerence. What more did you want? The DL is the strength of defense.



As for the OL. Thomas looked very good when you consider first game, limited prep time due to covid, new OL, great def front. Gates firsr game at center, does he get time to learn and improve? Fleming struggled some but its a new OL, it takes time to gel, they are young.
RE: RE: i'll give you thomas....  
Angel Eyes : 9/15/2020 9:09 am : link
In comment 14972689 BleedBlue said:
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he looked good, beyond that the o-line was rag dolled. dline still can't get to the qb. dg had 3 yrs. time to retire.




Wtf? Tge DL had a solid game. The steelers couldnt run for shit until the game went on they got gassed.

Williams had a sack and so did lawerence. What more did you want? The DL is the strength of defense.



As for the OL. Thomas looked very good when you consider first game, limited prep time due to covid, new OL, great def front. Gates firsr game at center, does he get time to learn and improve? Fleming struggled some but its a new OL, it takes time to gel, they are young.

For the DL, the Steelers still gained 141 yards on us.
RE: Deep breath  
peteschweaty : 9/15/2020 9:12 am : link
In comment 14972647 DanBenton said:
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Rookie LT, first-time center, three new starters, new coaching staff, no preseason, limited number of practice and opened against the league's best front seven.

Let's wait more than 60 minutes to make this judgement.


60 minutes or 3 years? cmon now...same problems every yr.
RE: Gates had a ton of bad plays, predictably  
BillKo : 9/15/2020 9:15 am : link
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Hernandez still looks overmatched too often at this level.


That's very concerning after what, two years playing every down.

I am beginning to think we missed on that draft pick. He's no Chris Snee, and that's what I was expecting.
RE: RE: Gates had a ton of bad plays, predictably  
The_Boss : 9/15/2020 9:23 am : link
In comment 14972708 BillKo said:
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Hernandez still looks overmatched too often at this level.



That's very concerning after what, two years playing every down.

I am beginning to think we missed on that draft pick. He's no Chris Snee, and that's what I was expecting.


Hernandez is in year 3. He physically looks the part. Constantly changing the guys who line up on his left and right could be part of the issue. But you are right, I was also hoping to see more from him. Let’s see what he is come year’s end...
Hernandez sucks  
LeonBright45 : 9/15/2020 9:24 am : link
He is maxed out and he will not improve because he is already a legend in his own mind.
I'd make the point that it was week 1, after no preseason games  
mfsd : 9/15/2020 9:27 am : link
with 3 new starters on the OL, against a front seven with about 4 pro bowlers on it

But many of you wouldn't listen
Judge had the giants in position to hang with a good team  
djm : 9/15/2020 9:57 am : link
which means the talent was close to good enough to hang with a good team last night. How do I know this? Because the Giants were about to take the lead late in the 3rd quarter and would have already had a lead if not for some mistakes in the first half.

Relax. Not every game needs to be a referendum around here.
RE: RE: Deep breath  
djm : 9/15/2020 10:00 am : link
In comment 14972704 peteschweaty said:
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Rookie LT, first-time center, three new starters, new coaching staff, no preseason, limited number of practice and opened against the league's best front seven.

Let's wait more than 60 minutes to make this judgement.



60 minutes or 3 years? cmon now...same problems every yr.


this isn't 3 years ago. some of you are going to be miserable all year long because this team sucked in 2015?

Time to move on. The Giants are making every effort to rebuild this thing right. I know they sucked. I've paid good money to see this team suck in person, and I have moved on. We all should.
RE: RE: Deep breath  
DanBenton : 9/15/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 14972704 peteschweaty said:
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In comment 14972647 DanBenton said:


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Rookie LT, first-time center, three new starters, new coaching staff, no preseason, limited number of practice and opened against the league's best front seven.

Let's wait more than 60 minutes to make this judgement.



60 minutes or 3 years? cmon now...same problems every yr.


Only Hernandez has been on this line for three years. Do you actually believe repeated shuffles is going to fix this problem?

Thomas is going to be a stud LT, Hernandez and Zeitler are solid and consistent guards, Fleming is a solid bridge to Peart (potentially) and Gates is literally a first-time center.

Did anyone actually expect them to come out and dominate the league's best front 7 in their literal first game as a unit?

If that is not unrealistic, I don't know what is.
It's an unfair and erroneous thesis  
Bill L : 9/15/2020 10:33 am : link
considering that two of those hog mollies" were just drafted and still (like nearly all rookies) need development time to even make it into the lineup.
We might still see Lemieux and Peart long  
Simms11 : 9/15/2020 2:09 pm : link
before the years out. I think that will be the line going into next year, with Zeitler not resigned and Fleming becoming the swing Tackle. Gates is still a work in progress. He’s got a long way to go and if he isn’t the answer then the Giants will have to get a Center to complete the line transformation. I still think Hernandez is good enough. He’s never going to a Pro Bowl, but he’s a good enough Guard.
RE: Deep breath  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/15/2020 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14972647 DanBenton said:
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Rookie LT, first-time center, three new starters, new coaching staff, no preseason, limited number of practice and opened against the league's best front seven.

Let's wait more than 60 minutes to make this judgement.


All valid points, but we've been around this merry-go-round so many times.
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