Fantasy Football - 16 Sept

Valdes-Scantling went for $77 in my league (out of $200) - holy shit

Corey Davis $69

Peyton Barber for $26
Carlos Hyde for $30
OJ Howard for $6

those were the only players added (other than Bucs D for a $1)

crazy IMO.

In comment 14974359 pjcas18 said:

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Valdes-Scantling went for $77 in my league (out of $200) - holy shit Corey Davis $69 Peyton Barber for $26 Carlos Hyde for $30 OJ Howard for $6 those were the only players added (other than Bucs D for a $1) crazy IMO.

Oh man...yeah, that's pretty crazy. Well, hopefully people continue to blow through their funds early.

I had to add Hines and Snell.

I am always willing to spend more FAAB money the first couple of weeks because you're paying for guys you're going to, ideally, have all year.

With Mack done for the year and Taylor not known as a big pass catcher, I think Hines should be startable as a RB2/Flex as long as he's healthy.

If James Conner misses time - and he's missed a lot - Snell is a must start. Snell may play his way into the rotation regardless. He looked a lot better than Conner did against us.

Losing Michael Thomas already for "multiple weeks" isn't great. That was my first pick. So, that puts me at a major disadvantage.

Started 1-0 and had a solid week with my supposedly horrible team, though - despite Ruggs leaving his game, Bell getting hurt, DJac only playing about half the snaps in his game, Carson only carrying the ball 6 times, close to zilch from Mike Thomas. JuJu and Fant saved my bacon Monday night and it's good to have Lamar Jackson for the 2nd year in a row.

But do I go Joe Burrow (@ CLE) or Daniel Jones (@ CHI) for my Superflex spot?

I spent $31 on Hines - someone actually bid $30, and another team bid $28. So I needed every dollar there to get him.

the picking is slim in my leagues. i went very heavy on scotty miller. brady loved looking his way against the saints and he is poised for a big year

he's going to be a stud now with mack out

there was no one out there really that attractive. Its 14 teams so Hines and Snell long gone, so I figured better to hold my waiver spot in case someone cut bait too early on a guy I liked.

Someone dropped Hyde which is attractive to me as a Carson owner, so I'll likely drop Bryan Edwards for him and hopefully lock up that backfield.

but got Robby Anderson who I think may have been the better add for my team anyway bc Sutton + Parker are both dealing with injuries.

I put in a $17 bid on Snell which came in 2nd. Reading between the lines Tomlin is going to give him a chance to win the job now because of how vague they are being with Conner's status. So however much you thought Conner was worth in the draft a couple weeks ago, Snell could be worth that in FAAB. Out of college they had very similar profiles and obviously he looked pretty damn good on Monday.

Chase Edmonds went pretty cheap in my league too ($5) and it's hard for me to see too much different between him and Hines. I had bid $4 on him but didn't have a roster spot after getting Anderson.

In comment 14974374 GiantsFan84 said:

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he's going to be a stud now with mack out

I doubt he'll be a STUD. He'll definitely get his share, but let's not make him out to be anything more than a complementary player that may lose out more and more as J.Taylor continues to get better...or at least I hope since I have Taylor...lol.

Rivers loves throwing to his RB's so I guess in an absolute best case he could be Ekeler, but I don't think he's as explosive as ekeler. Probably a very consistent RB2 in PPR. In non-PPR he's probably a flex/rb3.

Yeah, Hines isn't going to be a "stud" RB1 - I do think PPR leagues are going to see a really solid RB2 there, though. After his week 1 performance - with Mack out now, he's got a very clear path to pass game touches and Rivers will dump it off a lot I'm sure.

Being desperate this early sucks, but I kind of was.

Snell cost me $20.

So, I dried up half my budget which I hate - but again, I feel like you can justify bigger spends in week 1/2 in cases like this. My RB stable should be workable now with Carson, Hines, Hunt, Snell, Cohen and James Robinson with Bell on IR.

I really need Michael Thomas, though. WR was supposed to be my biggest strength. Still not confident in starting Landry, either - even though he was decent Sunday. Probably keeping him benched one more week since this is a short week for CLE.

who gives me better future potential?

J.Williams (GB)
D.Williams (KC)
M.Gaskin (MIA)
F.Gore (NYJ)

I'm leaning towards J.Williams or D.Williams although M.Gaskins does have a chance to take over as the starting RB for a bad Dolphins team.

Also, I really wanted to add Shenault - I could do it now for nothing. No one picked him up.

But, I don't think I can justify dropping any of the WR I have.

Obviously Thomas/JuJu/Landry aren't getting dropped.

Not going to drop Ruggs.

My other 2 WR right now are Preston Williams, who I love - especially with Parker hurt, so I'm not going to dump him - and then DeSean Jackson - who supposedly will see his role continue to grow, so I'm not going to drop him yet either I don't think.

I'm carrying 2 TE - Fant and Jonnu Smith. Both of them scored in Week 1 and should be okay as middling TE1's most of the year.

So, I don't really see where I can add Shenault.

In comment 14974403 RC in MD said:

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who gives me better future potential? J.Williams (GB) D.Williams (KC) M.Gaskin (MIA) F.Gore (NYJ) I'm leaning towards J.Williams or D.Williams although M.Gaskins does have a chance to take over as the starting RB for a bad Dolphins team.

I actually think I'd take a shot on Gaskin there.

Gore has ZERO upside. He's 80 years old. Jamaal Williams is just too hit or miss as long as Jones is healthy ahead of him.

Don't really like Williams, either - Helaire had such a great debut and it seems like a different KC player goes off every week.

J.Taylor and N.Hines together like I did with Taylor and Mack. However, not at that price. I just hate the situation that C.Akers and Z.Moss are in with veteran RBs ahead of them. And J.Robinson on a bad (but not as bad as us) Jags team is still iffy for me.

My strength is definitely in the WR position with D.Adams, J.Jones, D.Chark, and D.Slayton at this point.

Still looking to see if I can move J.Jones for a starting RB.

In comment 14974408 arcarsenal said:

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Also, I really wanted to add Shenault - I could do it now for nothing. No one picked him up. But, I don't think I can justify dropping any of the WR I have. Obviously Thomas/JuJu/Landry aren't getting dropped. Not going to drop Ruggs. My other 2 WR right now are Preston Williams, who I love - especially with Parker hurt, so I'm not going to dump him - and then DeSean Jackson - who supposedly will see his role continue to grow, so I'm not going to drop him yet either I don't think. I'm carrying 2 TE - Fant and Jonnu Smith. Both of them scored in Week 1 and should be okay as middling TE1's most of the year. So, I don't really see where I can add Shenault.

This might be a minority opinion but I would add Shenault and drop DeSean Jackson. I think you'll see Shenault get more regular touches, and I know Jackson is a deep threat, but I think you'll also see Shenault get some work around the goal line from the wildcat.

I think Raegor's role grows in that offense, I think Ward is more of a trusted target, and eventually you may see Jeffery back. Even still, Ertz and Goedert are likely to see most of the targets.

Shenault's upside and expected usage should be greater than the upside of Jackson's occasional long score.

I think he will have a borderline WR1 year. 1100/9 tds. Talent has always been there as the #5 pick in the draft. Problem is so as Marcus Mariotta. Now he has Tannenhill. Huge diff in QB play as Mariotta was that bad. Team also declined his 5th year option in the offseason so Davis is playing for his next contract.

You’re welcome.

In comment 14974410 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14974403 RC in MD said: Quote: who gives me better future potential? J.Williams (GB) D.Williams (KC) M.Gaskin (MIA) F.Gore (NYJ) I'm leaning towards J.Williams or D.Williams although M.Gaskins does have a chance to take over as the starting RB for a bad Dolphins team. I actually think I'd take a shot on Gaskin there. Gore has ZERO upside. He's 80 years old. Jamaal Williams is just too hit or miss as long as Jones is healthy ahead of him. Don't really like Williams, either - Helaire had such a great debut and it seems like a different KC player goes off every week.

Now you care about upside? :)

Djax is going to be impossible to figure out week to week. The only thing reliable in the Philly offense is the TE's, he's injury prone, and at this point is his career the upside is questionable. I think his best case is what he did in 2018 which was his last healthy year and similar to his pace last year pre-injury. He had 41 receptions, 750 yards, and 4 tds with a typically absurd 19 ypc.

On the other hand Jax is already scheming touches for Shenault and that offense is going to be playing from behind a lot. Minshew is capable of getting the ball to who they want to get it to. I think he's got some similarities to how SF used Deebo last year and as the season went on he obviously became a big piece of that offense in almost every game where they didn't just lean on the running game.

In comment 14974443 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 14974410 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14974403 RC in MD said: Quote: who gives me better future potential? J.Williams (GB) D.Williams (KC) M.Gaskin (MIA) F.Gore (NYJ) I'm leaning towards J.Williams or D.Williams although M.Gaskins does have a chance to take over as the starting RB for a bad Dolphins team. I actually think I'd take a shot on Gaskin there. Gore has ZERO upside. He's 80 years old. Jamaal Williams is just too hit or miss as long as Jones is healthy ahead of him. Don't really like Williams, either - Helaire had such a great debut and it seems like a different KC player goes off every week. Now you care about upside? :)

Haha. Well, I did draft Henry Ruggs.. James Robinson... both of my TE's are "upside" guys (Fant/Smith).

So, I do have a few upside players. My whole team wasn't all-floor/no-ceiling players.

I do regret taking Bell though - I thought he'd get enough targets to justify being drafted as an RB2. He just looks like a shell of the guy he used to be and he's already hurt. So, that's probably going to bite me.

Hopefully adding Hines/Snell fixes my RB situation a little.

In comment 14974403 RC in MD said:

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who gives me better future potential? J.Williams (GB) D.Williams (KC) M.Gaskin (MIA) F.Gore (NYJ) I'm leaning towards J.Williams or D.Williams although M.Gaskins does have a chance to take over as the starting RB for a bad Dolphins team.

Depends what kind of future potential you want. Playable week to week option? I'd go Gaskin. He looks like a solid bet to get 10-15 touches per week going forward and volume is potential.

If CEH gets hurt though, Williams has potential to be a top 10 RB. It's 100% an injury flier with 0 present value but enormous upside.

Eric/Jim...

Thanks, I feel like maybe DJax is more droppable than I've been telling myself.

Valdez-Scantling actually went unclaimed. Corey Davis can still be added, too.

Assuming I drop Jackson, who would you guys add in his place?

Valdez-Scantling
Corey Davis
Shenault

Hard to tell if the AJ Brown/Corey Davis surprise was just a one week thing or if Tannehill is going to be locking onto Davis way more than we thought.

I feel like Valdez-Scantling could be really hit or miss, too. Not sure if the weekly floor will be there for him.

In really good shape. My opponent has a WR out (Thomas for the Saints). I basically only switched QB because Allen has more upside than Watson.

In comment 14974460 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14974403 RC in MD said: Quote: who gives me better future potential? J.Williams (GB) D.Williams (KC) M.Gaskin (MIA) F.Gore (NYJ) I'm leaning towards J.Williams or D.Williams although M.Gaskins does have a chance to take over as the starting RB for a bad Dolphins team. Depends what kind of future potential you want. Playable week to week option? I'd go Gaskin. He looks like a solid bet to get 10-15 touches per week going forward and volume is potential. If CEH gets hurt though, Williams has potential to be a top 10 RB. It's 100% an injury flier with 0 present value but enormous upside.

Yeah...I'm holding onto M.Gaskin for now to see if he takes over more as RB1 for a bad team.

I currently have:

Starting RB: J.Taylor, Z.Moss
Bench RB: C.Akers, J.Robinson, C.Hyde, J.Kelley, M.Gaskin

I don't think any of the bench RBs are worthy of being my FLEX over D.Chark and D.Slayton in my .5PPR league.

but had to drop Deebo Samual together him but I needed some TE help for the season and I think he going to stay very involved with the Eagle offense. I had #10 waiver order and all the other obvious pick ups were made before my number. Not sure if I should have dropped the vikings D, but Im not giving up on them yet.

10 Team PPR:

QB - Wilson, Allen
RB - Kamara, Moss, Dobbins, Akers, Mattison
WR - Adams, Godwin, Lockette, Metcalf
TE - Hurst, Goedert
Def - Eagles, Vikings

Godwin in concussion protocol and Brady targeted Miller a bunch even with both Godwin & Evans in

the 2 main reasons I'd go Davis are that he looked the best on the eye test and he actually has a somewhat encouraging track record. In 2018 with Mariota he put up 950 yards and 4 tds on 110 targets. His career 14 ypc is solid and last year he wasn't far off Brown in terms of usage - Brown just had a ridiculous 20 ypc and 8 TDs on 52 receptions since he popped so many big plays. There's a chance he and Brown could end up more 1a/1b (or more likely 2a/2b) than most preseason rankings thought - especially if Brown gets more attention from defenses which he surely will if he's coming anywhere close to the 20 ypc again.

MVS may have the highest upside if he gets a meaningful role in GB but the lowest floor if he doesn't. I had a bid in on him as a flier but had a higher priority on Davis because there have seemingly been more Jeff Jannis'/Geronimo Allisons' who flash but never do much than viable #2/3 WR's in GB with Rodgers. Even Adams wasn't that productive with Rodgers until Nelson was gone.

Shenault has talent and plays in an offense that will likely pass more than TEN, but not sure he has as much as upside as Davis. He wasn't available but if he was I think I would have gone with the player who looked more impressive which was Davis but that choice feels like a coin flip.

Last year Tannehill completed 10% more of his passes than Mariota so if Davis plays similar to how he did '18 there is reason to believe with better QB play he could exceed those numbers if he gets a similar number of targets.

In comment 14974516 JayBinQueens said:

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Godwin in concussion protocol and Brady targeted Miller a bunch even with both Godwin & Evans in

He was drafted in my league - I have to be in the only Massachusetts based FF league with a Bucs fan (who was a Bucs fan pre Brady)

I don't have anyone playing on Thursday in my #1 .5PPR league (the one I manage), so I have some time to decide on my RB situation.

Starting to hear rumblings about J.Robinson continuing to be the workhorse RB for the Jags. And if they're not nearly as bad as previously projected, he may be a good RB2/FLEX option against the Titans that got gashed M.Gordon.

So I know this will change throughout the week, but...pick two of these for RB2/FLEX:

RB: Z.Moss, J.Robinson, C.Akers, M.Gaskin
WR: D.Slayton, L.Shenault, J.Reagor

In comment 14974465 arcarsenal said:

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Eric/Jim... Thanks, I feel like maybe DJax is more droppable than I've been telling myself. Valdez-Scantling actually went unclaimed. Corey Davis can still be added, too. Assuming I drop Jackson, who would you guys add in his place? Valdez-Scantling Corey Davis Shenault Hard to tell if the AJ Brown/Corey Davis surprise was just a one week thing or if Tannehill is going to be locking onto Davis way more than we thought. I feel like Valdez-Scantling could be really hit or miss, too. Not sure if the weekly floor will be there for him.

Shenault bigger upside, Davis probably safer floor. I think MVS is a distant third out of that group. The week 1 targets and production was good from Davis, but I don't expect that to be the norm. To me, you see what Tannehill and Brown did last year, over a thousand yards and 8 TDs in just 11 starts, he is the guy I'd want. And he had 8 targets on Sunday, including a near miss at the end of that game in the corner of the endzone, where he was open and it was just out of his reach. Brown has double digit fantasy points if he's able to haul that in, and he's going to be the guy I want. Davis didn't have competition on Brown's level in 2018 when he had about 900 yards and 4 TDs. I don't think he's a bad grab, but I just like Shenault having the better chance to be more of a focal point in that offense. If we see Shenault in the wildcat in goal line situations a lot, we could see passing TDs and rushing TDs from him, in addition to his role as a receiver.

I really want to try and buy (low?) on A.J. Brown.

I have an Eagles' fan owner in my league. I want to offer D.K. Metcalf and Zach Ertz for A.J. Brown and Jared Cook.

When all is said and done I like Brown for between 1200 and 1300 yards and double digit scores this year, and I don't know what to think about Metcalf, although I think he's going to have huge games.

I think the Ertz addition may make it easier to go through, but is this a bad trade? I don't have a problem at receiver, I have a problem at RB, actually, but I'm trying to make a strength stronger.

Currently, my receivers are Michael Thomas, Golladay, A.J. Green, Metcalf, Juju SS, Parris Campbell, and Metcalf, with Deebo Samuel in my IR spot. I'm way WR heavy, but I'm ok with that for now, especially since Thomas is out for a few weeks at least and Golladay has been banged up.

I might consider Green, but I'm going to wait a bit with him, and I don't think this owner would be interested anyway. I think a big blow up game for Green is coming, and will look to move him after.

Slayton (NYG)
or
Hines (IND)

in week 2. PPR.

In comment 14974609 allstarjim said:

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I really want to try and buy (low?) on A.J. Brown. I have an Eagles' fan owner in my league. I want to offer D.K. Metcalf and Zach Ertz for A.J. Brown and Jared Cook. When all is said and done I like Brown for between 1200 and 1300 yards and double digit scores this year, and I don't know what to think about Metcalf, although I think he's going to have huge games. I think the Ertz addition may make it easier to go through, but is this a bad trade? I don't have a problem at receiver, I have a problem at RB, actually, but I'm trying to make a strength stronger. Currently, my receivers are Michael Thomas, Golladay, A.J. Green, Metcalf, Juju SS, Parris Campbell, and Metcalf, with Deebo Samuel in my IR spot. I'm way WR heavy, but I'm ok with that for now, especially since Thomas is out for a few weeks at least and Golladay has been banged up. I might consider Green, but I'm going to wait a bit with him, and I don't think this owner would be interested anyway. I think a big blow up game for Green is coming, and will look to move him after.

I think that's a fair trade although I wouldn't make it. I think Metcalf has a chance to outdo Brown with the potential for Wilson to be out of this world this season. And Ertz will continue to be Wentz's go to receiver despite Goedert getting more action. That WR crew is pretty young, so Ertz has a chance to get back to his top form for Wentz.

As far as your WR crew goes, Thomas going down is rough, but with Galladay, Juju, and Metcalf, you have three legit starting WRs to tie over until Thomas returns.

In comment 14974658 BigBluesman said:

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Slayton (NYG) or Hines (IND) in week 2. PPR.

I like Hines in a PPR.

I think some of Brown's numbers scream regression (20 ypc) though he may be able to match or slightly improve on his year last year with increased volume. He is a good WR but closer to the 20's than top 10 unless his volume takes a huge jump up.

I was not a Metcalf believer but he has won me over - I don't think he'll ever be elite but he is a legitimate double digit TD threat who will get chances downfield every week in that offense and he has chemistry with Wilson who looks poised for an MVP type of year. DKM seems like a lock to go over his 100 targets from last year and the rest of his #'s across the board.

So net-net, I think they end the year with similar total numbers (Metcalf maybe less consistent with more blow up weeks and more TDs, Brown with more steady reception weeks).

But not different enough to give up Ertz who is solid tier 2 TE and the #1 option in an offense that needs him. I like Cook and he was great in NO last year and may be poised for more volume without Thomas, but he's always unpredictable.

In comment 14974691 RC in MD said:

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In comment 14974658 BigBluesman said: Quote: Slayton (NYG) or Hines (IND) in week 2. PPR. I like Hines in a PPR.

That's the conventional wisdom. Both went off last week, in terms of TD luck they are both due for a fall. Difference is with the bonuses in my league Slayton still had the higher total for week 1. I see Jones continuing to chuck it to him.

Also, I'm starting Jonathan Taylor.

In comment 14974698 BigBluesman said:

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In comment 14974691 RC in MD said: Quote: In comment 14974658 BigBluesman said: Quote: Slayton (NYG) or Hines (IND) in week 2. PPR. I like Hines in a PPR. That's the conventional wisdom. Both went off last week, in terms of TD luck they are both due for a fall. Difference is with the bonuses in my league Slayton still had the higher total for week 1. I see Jones continuing to chuck it to him. Also, I'm starting Jonathan Taylor.

I hear you. I just don't like relying on Slayton with the other weapons (even Engram) available to Jones. I also have Taylor and would double up on Hines if I had him because I can't be sure who will be featured, but with the way they've played, they can collectively get your 30+ points possibly.

RC, cheers!

Jonathan Taylor for Michael Thomas (PPR)?

My other RB's are:
Jacobs, Sanders, and Moss

My other WR's are:
Moore, McLaurin, Fuller, K. Allen, Slayton, Boyd, Pittman, Claypool

I could probably get Fournette back in a trade or Jerrick McKinnon

so it would be Thomas and Fournette (for example) for Jonathan Taylor and maybe Tyler Boyd

Thomas sounds like he will miss a game and then play through it. You likely aren't getting close to his 2019 production this year but 75% of that is still more valuable than Taylor (unless predicting a Hines injury).

Its worth the gamble, you can afford it not working out, IMO.

In comment 14974733 UConn4523 said:

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Thomas sounds like he will miss a game and then play through it. You likely aren't getting close to his 2019 production this year but 75% of that is still more valuable than Taylor (unless predicting a Hines injury). Its worth the gamble, you can afford it not working out, IMO.

Would you prefer Fournette or McKinnon or does it matter? I kind of like Fournette but McKinnon was electric before missing the last two years (lol).

unless there's some kind of keeper implication that makes it more of a decision. Flip a coin on McKinnon or Fournette or just let the other guy choose. I guess I'd prefer Fournette but neither of them look promising.

The Saints have an early bye week and with the 3 week IR rule, I'm hoping they just go that route so he can come back 100% and if they do I'm going to try to buy him low. Only concern is that he just guts it out all year injured.

so he proposed Thomas and Fournette for Taylor and Slayton.

I'd prefer not to trade Slayton.

Which of these guys would be a fair substitute:

Fuller (no, too much from me IMO), Keenan Allen (maybe) or Tyler Boyd (probably not going to cut it - but maybe)

or would you just trade Slayton?

In comment 14974761 pjcas18 said:

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so he proposed Thomas and Fournette for Taylor and Slayton. I'd prefer not to trade Slayton. Which of these guys would be a fair substitute: Fuller (no, too much from me IMO), Keenan Allen (maybe) or Tyler Boyd (probably not going to cut it - but maybe) or would you just trade Slayton?

Try Boyd. If not, I'd prob do it. With Tate back it'll bite into Slayton's targets.

Which side do you like better

Chubb & Hines

For

Taylor and Kupp

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In comment 14974761 pjcas18 said: Quote: so he proposed Thomas and Fournette for Taylor and Slayton. I'd prefer not to trade Slayton. Which of these guys would be a fair substitute: Fuller (no, too much from me IMO), Keenan Allen (maybe) or Tyler Boyd (probably not going to cut it - but maybe) or would you just trade Slayton? Try Boyd. If not, I'd prob do it. With Tate back it'll bite into Slayton's targets.

agree with this. Also if you trade Slayton and he goes off, at least that's good for the Giants. I know that made me feel better as he beat me on Monday.

for the replies, I like hearing other people's perspectives

need to choose a WR and a flex and i'm basically just thinking avoid injured guys and flip coins. Full PPR, pretty even overall matchup projected.

WR
Sutton vs. PIT (limited in practice, questionable)
Parker vs. BUF (limited in practice, questionable)
R. Anderson vs. TB
Reagor vs. LAR
C. Davis vs. JAX (missed practice, questionable)

Flex
anyone listed above
James White vs. SEA
Singletary vs. MIA
Hockenson vs. GB

for WR I'm leaning away from all the injured guys towards Robbie Anderson in what may be the highest scoring game any way.

For flex Singletary and White seem like the more consensus options. Against SEA they should need to pass a lot which should help White but Singletary will likely still get more touches and have better chance to break off something long distance. Neither is ideal. Also considering Hockenson because that should be a high scoring game and my opponent has both Rodgers/Adams so that would hedge a shootout at least a little bit.

start Corey Davis again if he plays and I hate relying on Patriots RB's, so random how they produce.

Not sure on the other spot yet other than not James White.

In comment 14974773 JayBinQueens said:

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Which side do you like better Chubb & Hines For Taylor and Kupp

Taylor and Kupp, but that's mainly because I love Kupp.

My other receivers are Thomas (injured), Adams, OBJ, Watkins, and Parker (injured).
My RBs suck. Conner (injured), Gurley, Hines, Ingram, Moss.

In comment 14974814 Milton said:

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My other receivers are Thomas (injured), Adams, OBJ, Watkins, and Parker (injured). My RBs suck. Conner (injured), Gurley, Hines, Ingram, Moss.

Yes... But I don't think it would be accepted

Cam Newton or Drew Brees?

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Cam Newton or Drew Brees?

I'd prob go Cam... at least this week