September 17 Fantasy Football Thread

Stafford v. Packers or Tannehill v. Jags?

I ignore them. If there is, it means either i'm missing something or that Yahoo! (or whoever) hasn't updated them yet for that player for the week.

I can't bench my best players after 1 week, so I'm starting Kupp in a good matchup. For the other FLEX I'd say roll with Snell when Conner is officially declared out.

In comment 14975232 FasselFollies said:

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Stafford v. Packers or Tannehill v. Jags?

I'm going Tannehill. I feel like he has the higher floor and similar ceiling due to potential rushing stats and going against a bad defense.

Superflex - Joe Burrow or Daniel Jones

Flex - James Conner (PIT RB @ DEN), D'Andre Swift (@ GB), Peyton Barber (@ ARI), DeVante Parker (vs. BUF)

My starting RB are Ronald Jones and David Montgomery thanks to injuries. I could also drop Curtis Samuel if needed because there are a few names available in FA like Laviska Shenault Jr. (@ TEN) or Jalen Reagor (vs. LAR) or Frank Gore (vs. SF)

against Philly that seems like it could be a big day and in the slot I think that means he stays away from Slay.

if Conner is out I think my next pick would be Snell since it's not PPR. I'd imagine he has the best shot of scoring a TD if he's the starting RB for Pitt.

None of the other 3 are bad plays and there's reason to believe any of them could have a good week just harder to forecast. Brown has the injury, Sanders is in a new offense now without Thomas which could be a good thing but we don't know, and the Bucs are likely without Godwin and have Evans banged up too. Jones should get volume but he got volume week 1 and didn't do much with it.

So I think I lean hot hand with Snell as long as Conner is out and his workload is guaranteed.

In comment 14975243 Mike in NY said:

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Superflex - Joe Burrow or Daniel Jones Flex - James Conner (PIT RB @ DEN), D'Andre Swift (@ GB), Peyton Barber (@ ARI), DeVante Parker (vs. BUF) My starting RB are Ronald Jones and David Montgomery thanks to injuries. I could also drop Curtis Samuel if needed because there are a few names available in FA like Laviska Shenault Jr. (@ TEN) or Jalen Reagor (vs. LAR) or Frank Gore (vs. SF)

These are all tough. I think I go Jones over Burrow since he's got at least a little bit of a track record and just put up very decent numbers vs. Pitt. Vegas has their expected point totals and over/unders for the game almost identical (both are also similar underdogs). I'd make that call based on whether I'd rather be starting Jones while watching the NYG game or not as a fan.

For the flex I'd go with Parker if he plays but it's risky. Don't think you can trust Conner. Second choice would probably be Swift since he got so much work in the passing game and if you want to look at a silver lining he was on the field at the end of the game and almost caught his 2nd receiving TD. Against GB that could be a big passing game for Detroit.

I think I'd also cut Samuel for either Shenault or Reagor. I think both are similar level talents, Shenault has already seen a slightly bigger role and has no injury question, Reagor has perhaps the bigger opportunity for targets. Both seem to have more upside than Samuel though who seems like he will firmly be the 4th option in Carolina.

for the superflex I'd go Burrow vs CLE.

and the flex I agree with Eric.

In comment 14975266 pjcas18 said:

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for the superflex I'd go Burrow vs CLE. and the flex I agree with Eric.

Thanks. Swift it is unless I see more on Parker's health prior. As far as Superflex I am going to flip a coin. I think I will play it by ear regarding Samuel's spot as Shenault has the same bye week as my K so I think I may just use that spot or Barber's as the swing spot to replace TE, K, and D/ST when they have bye weeks.

one but this is PPR but better (and more) options IMO. I hate having choices like this - may try and propose a volume trade. Two decent WR's for one really good one.

Need 2 WR's and a Flex out of:

WR's
Moore @ TB
McLaurin @ ARI
K. Allen vs KC
Fuller vs BAL
Boyd @ CLE
Slayton @ CHI

RB's
Taylor vs MIN
Moss @ MIA

Right now I have:
Moore and McLaurin at WR with Taylor at flex

Anyone starting Kareem Hunt or Landry tonight?

I have both guys - and it's probably not wise to start both.

I probably will use one of them, though. Landry's health is the only reason I'd be cautious. But I also kind of think Hunt is going to have a good night and that CLE will lean on the RB's a lot.

Also hate that it's TNF - especially the first one.

In comment 14975271 pjcas18 said:

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one but this is PPR but better (and more) options IMO. I hate having choices like this - may try and propose a volume trade. Two decent WR's for one really good one. Need 2 WR's and a Flex out of: WR's Moore @ TB McLaurin @ ARI K. Allen vs KC Fuller vs BAL Boyd @ CLE Slayton @ CHI RB's Taylor vs MIN Moss @ MIA Right now I have: Moore and McLaurin at WR with Taylor at flex

I don't like McLaurin against Arizona. They can't stop TE so I expect Logan Thomas to be more of the target. Maybe I am a homer, but I do like Slayton or possibly Fuller since Houston will likely be playing from behind.

In comment 14975272 arcarsenal said:

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Anyone starting Kareem Hunt or Landry tonight? I have both guys - and it's probably not wise to start both. I probably will use one of them, though. Landry's health is the only reason I'd be cautious. But I also kind of think Hunt is going to have a good night and that CLE will lean on the RB's a lot. Also hate that it's TNF - especially the first one.

Who are your other options? Hunt I'd have no issue starting (hopefully as a RB2 or Flex)

Also, this is the second TNF, right?

in one of my league. But I can swap him out for Slayton.

What say you? It's a .5 PPR league.

but otherwise I think I'd avoid that game as much as possible. They combined for 19 points week 1. Mayfield continues to be a mess, obviously Baltimore is a good D but 6 points is 6 points with a new first time HC. Landry is banged up and Njoku out. The only thing that kind of makes sense is a sloppy game, but in the Thursday games there's always the possibility of a blowout. Just no idea which way. Cincy getting 6 points seem generous.

In comment 14975285 RC in MD said:

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in one of my league. But I can swap him out for Slayton. What say you? It's a .5 PPR league.

Green over his last 10 games played has averaged 5 catches for 60 yards and .6 TD's.

I think Slayton has a better average than that and probably more upside - though against a better D.

in favor of D Slayton. Very helpful.

In comment 14975271 pjcas18 said:

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one but this is PPR but better (and more) options IMO. I hate having choices like this - may try and propose a volume trade. Two decent WR's for one really good one. Need 2 WR's and a Flex out of: WR's Moore @ TB McLaurin @ ARI K. Allen vs KC Fuller vs BAL Boyd @ CLE Slayton @ CHI RB's Taylor vs MIN Moss @ MIA Right now I have: Moore and McLaurin at WR with Taylor at flex

Personally I believe Fuller is a must start every week. Obviously, Taylor has to be in your flex. So the next choice is what other WR to play, and you have several options, all have some level of downside but all are decent options, and if you had an inclination either way, I'd take it. My heart wants to say Slayton, but keep in mind that Golden Tate's status could impact Slayton's snap percentage (it shouldn't, but it could). My head says Keenan Allen is the safest play to put up numbers in a game that SD is going to be in a heavy pass game script, although I don't really trust Tyrod as a passer.

McLaurin would seem to be a good play but I'd be a little reticent to play him when he is likely to draw PatPete in coverage. I don't like Moore's matchup at all. You could justify any of these guys. If the weather is good in Chicago, and Tate is again ruled out, I'd feel good about Slayton.

In comment 14975291 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14975285 RC in MD said: Quote: in one of my league. But I can swap him out for Slayton. What say you? It's a .5 PPR league. Green over his last 10 games played has averaged 5 catches for 60 yards and .6 TD's. I think Slayton has a better average than that and probably more upside - though against a better D.

If Green didn't get called for that OPI, his points total would have been much better last game, so we know that he still can play despite having a rookie QB. With that Browns D, he may be a good bet to get respectable total points (12+ points). Slayton is definitely higher ceiling guy at this point, but with Tate potentially coming back (and Engram possibly not sucking nearly as badly and potential rushing game working better), will some of his touches be taken?

I hate these Thursday games since they make you decide much earlier than you really want to. Ugh...I'll go with Green for this one.

And upside (none of these would be needed to start immediately) for the rest of the season:

Leviska Shenault
Parris Campbell
Jalen Raegor
Brandon Aiyuk
Justin Jefferson
Denzel Mims

from consideration

In comment 14975279 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14975272 arcarsenal said: Quote: Anyone starting Kareem Hunt or Landry tonight? I have both guys - and it's probably not wise to start both. I probably will use one of them, though. Landry's health is the only reason I'd be cautious. But I also kind of think Hunt is going to have a good night and that CLE will lean on the RB's a lot. Also hate that it's TNF - especially the first one. Who are your other options? Hunt I'd have no issue starting (hopefully as a RB2 or Flex) Also, this is the second TNF, right?

Well, technically 2nd - yeah - I didn't really consider the league opener a typical TNF game since it wasn't like the teams were coming off a short week the way they are this time.

RB Flex options... (Starting Carson/Hines @ RB1/2)

Kareem Hunt
James Robinson
Benny Snell
Tarik Cohen

WR flex options...

Landry
Shenault
Preston Williams

In comment 14975343 allstarjim said:

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And upside (none of these would be needed to start immediately) for the rest of the season: Leviska Shenault Parris Campbell Jalen Raegor Brandon Aiyuk Justin Jefferson Denzel Mims

I like Campbell the most. His speed paired with a chucker like Rivers can lead to a bunch of big games. He officially becomes their #1 WR this year, IMO.

In comment 14975347 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14975279 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14975272 arcarsenal said: Quote: Anyone starting Kareem Hunt or Landry tonight? I have both guys - and it's probably not wise to start both. I probably will use one of them, though. Landry's health is the only reason I'd be cautious. But I also kind of think Hunt is going to have a good night and that CLE will lean on the RB's a lot. Also hate that it's TNF - especially the first one. Who are your other options? Hunt I'd have no issue starting (hopefully as a RB2 or Flex) Also, this is the second TNF, right? Well, technically 2nd - yeah - I didn't really consider the league opener a typical TNF game since it wasn't like the teams were coming off a short week the way they are this time. RB Flex options... (Starting Carson/Hines @ RB1/2) Kareem Hunt James Robinson Benny Snell Tarik Cohen WR flex options... Landry Shenault Preston Williams

I think you have to play Snell if Conner's out. That said, I like Hunt 2nd best, and it's unfortunate you have to decide now. I'd still wait for Sunday, check Conner's status, and make your decision. If Conner plays, then James Robinson is the play, IMO.

In comment 14975359 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14975347 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14975279 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14975272 arcarsenal said: Quote: Anyone starting Kareem Hunt or Landry tonight? I have both guys - and it's probably not wise to start both. I probably will use one of them, though. Landry's health is the only reason I'd be cautious. But I also kind of think Hunt is going to have a good night and that CLE will lean on the RB's a lot. Also hate that it's TNF - especially the first one. Who are your other options? Hunt I'd have no issue starting (hopefully as a RB2 or Flex) Also, this is the second TNF, right? Well, technically 2nd - yeah - I didn't really consider the league opener a typical TNF game since it wasn't like the teams were coming off a short week the way they are this time. RB Flex options... (Starting Carson/Hines @ RB1/2) Kareem Hunt James Robinson Benny Snell Tarik Cohen WR flex options... Landry Shenault Preston Williams I think you have to play Snell if Conner's out. That said, I like Hunt 2nd best, and it's unfortunate you have to decide now. I'd still wait for Sunday, check Conner's status, and make your decision. If Conner plays, then James Robinson is the play, IMO.

Ugh, yeah that's the problem - I hate that I have to decide tonight. If I knew Conner would be out, Snell is obviously a must play - we just don't know yet.

What I think I am going to do is... start Landry @ WR3.

Leave the flex spot open so I can use Snell and if Conner does play, I can flex James Robinson or even Shenault.

Conner playing won't be 100% and will be spelled. But yeah, you can just switch to Robinson if you don't want to do that.

i could go Keenan Allen over Beckham but i think Beckham has a good game tonight..

try to trade J.Jones for M.Thomas? I drafted Jones 14th overall and Thomas was drafted 7th overall, so their draft picks aren't too far off value-wise. And the other owner is hurting badly with Thomas out (although he does have C.Ridley, M.Evans, and E.Sanders has his WRs). I can also do a two player trade, as his RB1/2 are J.White and J.Howard (L.Bell is on IR for him).

I have D.Adams, so I have a dominant WR1, and I have D.Chark to take over as the WR2 while M.Thomas heals up. I'm wondering if it's worth it long term to try to acquire him and give away someone like J.Robinson, who is on my bench but would be his starter.

So a trade offer will look like this:

J.Jones and J.Robinson

for

M.Thomas and any of his RBs (although I wonder if I can take Bell off of his hands since he needs help right now)

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True enough, UConn - it sure sounds like they're moving towards at least a split even if Conner is healthy. He seemed like he could have come back in against us on Monday - but Snell was running so well, they just rode him instead.

I actually like Hunt tonight but I can't start two Browns and without Michael Thomas, my WR group probably needs Landry this week.

In comment 14975372 UConn4523 said:

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I have J.Taylor and Z.Moss as my RB1/2.

Also have C.Akers, M.Gaskin, C.Hyde, J.Kelley

It's .5 PPR.

In comment 14975373 arcarsenal said:

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True enough, UConn - it sure sounds like they're moving towards at least a split even if Conner is healthy. He seemed like he could have come back in against us on Monday - but Snell was running so well, they just rode him instead. I actually like Hunt tonight but I can't start two Browns and without Michael Thomas, my WR group probably needs Landry this week.

I really have no choice, unless i go allen over Hunt or beckham in my flex and Brown in my number 2 rb spot...

In comment 14975377 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14975373 arcarsenal said: Quote: True enough, UConn - it sure sounds like they're moving towards at least a split even if Conner is healthy. He seemed like he could have come back in against us on Monday - but Snell was running so well, they just rode him instead. I actually like Hunt tonight but I can't start two Browns and without Michael Thomas, my WR group probably needs Landry this week. I really have no choice, unless i go allen over Hunt or beckham in my flex and Brown in my number 2 rb spot...

It could work out where you get chalk from both guys. But that's not a bad alternative and would probably raise your ceiling a bit.

In comment 14975375 RC in MD said:

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In comment 14975372 UConn4523 said: Quote: . I have J.Taylor and Z.Moss as my RB1/2. Also have C.Akers, M.Gaskin, C.Hyde, J.Kelley It's .5 PPR.

Its certainly riskier for you because of all the split backfields. High risk high reward, IMO.

In comment 14975378 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14975377 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14975373 arcarsenal said: Quote: True enough, UConn - it sure sounds like they're moving towards at least a split even if Conner is healthy. He seemed like he could have come back in against us on Monday - but Snell was running so well, they just rode him instead. I actually like Hunt tonight but I can't start two Browns and without Michael Thomas, my WR group probably needs Landry this week. I really have no choice, unless i go allen over Hunt or beckham in my flex and Brown in my number 2 rb spot... It could work out where you get chalk from both guys. But that's not a bad alternative and would probably raise your ceiling a bit.

Yeah right now Brown is my flex..

Injust do not trust tyrod right now

In comment 14975379 UConn4523 said:

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Its certainly riskier for you because of all the split backfields. High risk high reward, IMO.

Most definitely. I'm not really counting on my RBs to do much early in the season, that's why I'm accumulating potential at RBs. But J.Robinson is just sitting there on my bench since I like Z.Moss's chance better this weekend. So I can definitely take a bit of a chance. Although that opens up a vacancy in one of my two FLEX positions. One has D.Slayton, but second may have to be either M.Gaskin, L.Shenault, or C.Akers.

In comment 14975232 FasselFollies said:

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Stafford v. Packers or Tannehill v. Jags?

Always Stafford over Tanny. Always until clearly proven otherwise.

I have a WR dilemma I can only start 3 out of these guys:

T. HILL @ LAC
Ridley @ DAL
Fuller vs. BAL
Slayton @ CHI

I also have Crowder who I wouldn't normally mention, but he had a nice line last week.

In comment 14975390 djm said:

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In comment 14975232 FasselFollies said: Quote: Stafford v. Packers or Tannehill v. Jags? Always Stafford over Tanny. Always until clearly proven otherwise.

I don't agree at all. If no Golladay (which seems likely) Stafford's value takes a huge hit. Even with Golladay I think you can make an argument that you pick the one with the better matchup.

Fuller vs BAL
D Johnson vs BAL
Snell vs DEN

What do you think?

In comment 14975433 Heisenberg said:

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Fuller vs BAL D Johnson vs BAL Snell vs DEN What do you think?

Snell if no Conner, Johnson otherwise. I need to see Fuller put up numbers consistently before plugging him in on a weekly basis (assuming you have other options which you do).

In comment 14975391 26.2 said:

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I have a WR dilemma I can only start 3 out of these guys: T. HILL @ LAC Ridley @ DAL Fuller vs. BAL Slayton @ CHI I also have Crowder who I wouldn't normally mention, but he had a nice line last week.

Hill & Ridley need to be in your lineup every week, regardless of matchup. This is really between Fuller and Slayton, and I think the target share that Fuller now has, the big play potential, and the offense he's in, he really has a chance to be a top 10 WR this year in fantasy. I know Slayton had a big game, but Fuller had double digit targets, 8 catches, over a hundred yards. I think Fuller is going to do that a lot more consistently than Slayton, who I do like. To me, it's Fuller (while he remains healthy).

he just can't play through even a tweak it seems so every week seems like a diceroll. If he gets a little banged up I feel like he will get pulled immediately.

I'm debating for a PPR league

OBJ vs. Bengals
W. Fuller vs. Baltimore
Hilton vs. Minnesota

The reason the Bengals are relevant is i'm currently starting Herndon vs. SF over Hooper vs. Bengals but i'm thinking if I do start OBJ I should start Hooper as I have a hunch Cleveland will put up some points tonight...

and sometimes stat lines are misleading, but AJ green had 13 targets and went 3 for 29 yards.

WTF?

In comment 14975895 pjcas18 said:

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and sometimes stat lines are misleading, but AJ green had 13 targets and went 3 for 29 yards. WTF?

A number of lazy attempts to go after the ball plus lot of extra coverage and daring Boyd/TE to beat them.

In comment 14975900 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 14975895 pjcas18 said: Quote: and sometimes stat lines are misleading, but AJ green had 13 targets and went 3 for 29 yards. WTF? A number of lazy attempts to go after the ball plus lot of extra coverage and daring Boyd/TE to beat them.

Seems like he's got a fork in his back. (without seeing the game) - I'm sure being a 32 year old veteran with a rookie QB is not ideal. Maybe they trade him? Huge cap #, but in the last year of his deal, so if CIN retains money they could maybe move him.

In comment 14975924 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14975900 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 14975895 pjcas18 said: Quote: and sometimes stat lines are misleading, but AJ green had 13 targets and went 3 for 29 yards. WTF? A number of lazy attempts to go after the ball plus lot of extra coverage and daring Boyd/TE to beat them. Seems like he's got a fork in his back. (without seeing the game) - I'm sure being a 32 year old veteran with a rookie QB is not ideal. Maybe they trade him? Huge cap #, but in the last year of his deal, so if CIN retains money they could maybe move him.

Can’t tell if it is that or the repeated injuries taking a toll and/or business decisions so he doesn’t put next contract in jeopardy

S. Watkins vs LAC
K. Allen vs KC

In comment 14975938 Dankbeerman said:

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S. Watkins vs LAC K. Allen vs KC

I mistakenly sat Watkins at the last minute and while I'd be inclined to sit him this week for fear of a letdown, I don't know, seems different this time (or maybe that's just hope talking).

Keenan Allen with Tyrod Taylor is going to be rough this year, IMO. That said they are likely going to have to throw all game...

50/50 which doesn't help you, but I'd be going back and forth with it until game time.

Well, there was good news and bad for me last night...

The good was that I last minute decided to flex Kareem Hunt - which wound up being well worth it. Got 24-25 points out of him.

The bad, I left Landry in my lineup - and he was "meh."

It wasn't a total egg - about 8 points total - and my opponent has, and started AJ Green - so, Landry outscored him and I'm in fine shape matchup-wise.

Looks like both CLE RB's are very much startable on a weekly basis. Chubb should be on the RB1 radar most weeks and Hunt should be in the RB2/Flex area.