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NGT: Thursday Night Football. Baker vs Burrow

90.Cal : 9/17/2020 8:14 pm
BROWNS vs BENGALS. Battle of Ohio.

Guess what former Giant is inactive for Cleveland tonight?
Gotta be Vernon  
j_rud : 9/17/2020 8:20 pm : link
Sack numbers wont suffer but Cleveland will miss those pressures!
How  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 8:29 pm : link
did the referees miss that call? the pass was clearly incomplete.
Burrow looked like he belonged  
Canton : 9/17/2020 8:36 pm : link
In that first series
Bulluck looks pretty good  
j_rud : 9/17/2020 8:38 pm : link
for a guy with a jacked up calf...
We're going on 3 years now  
ghost718 : 9/17/2020 8:39 pm : link
The Bengals still don't know Bobby Hart stinks?
RE: Burrow looked like he belonged  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14975688 Canton said:
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In that first series


Definitely, especially because he took a sack to preserve the FG instead of forcing a throw that might have been picked. Jones should take note.
How did they miss  
bubba0825 : 9/17/2020 8:45 pm : link
Beckem jump?
Noticeable lack of OBJ so far  
mattlawson : 9/17/2020 8:45 pm : link
I mean body language is everyone is fired up - OBJ being ignored. Odd.
......  
Route 9 : 9/17/2020 8:46 pm : link
Ha. I forgot about Thurs night football.

I also forgot Olivier Vernon was a person. Thought he retired 3 years ago.
Great  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 8:46 pm : link
drive. Baker looked good, and that was a tough run by Chubb.
We could have had  
Mike in NY : 9/17/2020 8:47 pm : link
Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez
Wills looks darn  
barens : 9/17/2020 8:48 pm : link
Good.
Poppin a Chubby...  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2020 8:49 pm : link
Running angry to the hole and through the tackle and into the endzone.
was it me????  
Kev in Cali : 9/17/2020 8:53 pm : link
I swore I saw Burrow closing his eyes well before he even hit the ground....welcome to the big leagues : )
RE: RE: Burrow looked like he belonged  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2020 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14975701 AcidTest said:
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In that first series



Definitely, especially because he took a sack to preserve the FG instead of forcing a throw that might have been picked. Jones should take note.


Conversely you could say he looks like a game manager out there. Not saying there's much to be gleaned from guys first game and a half.
RE: We could have had  
section125 : 9/17/2020 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14975709 Mike in NY said:
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Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez


Could have had a V-8! Give it a rest.
RE: We could have had  
aGiantGuy : 9/17/2020 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14975709 Mike in NY said:
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Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez


Was Nelson going to play LG, C, RG, And RT? Otherwise, I’ll take what we have
“Taking a sack to conserve the FG”  
UConn4523 : 9/17/2020 9:03 pm : link
is now a praise? That should be saved for throwing it away, not taking an 11 yard loss and turn a chip shot into almost 40 yards.

Just a weird way to shit on Jones, doesn’t even make any sense. If he “took the sack to preserve a FG” and fumbled what would your thoughts be?
I mean, it would be kind of funny  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2020 9:04 pm : link
If they take that TD away from OBJ. Nasty shake by OBJ.
RE: We could have had  
Sean : 9/17/2020 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14975709 Mike in NY said:
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Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez


We also could have drafted Josh Rosen at #2.
someone explain to me  
santacruzom : 9/17/2020 9:06 pm : link
what differentiates TikTok from Instagram or Youtube.
Happy for Beckham..  
Sean : 9/17/2020 9:06 pm : link
It’s amazing the chemistry he had with Eli.
RE: someone explain to me  
markky : 9/17/2020 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14975729 santacruzom said:
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what differentiates TikTok from Instagram or Youtube.


very short videos that are often associated with a "challenge". you're encouraged to copy or put your own spin on other popular short videos. some are fairly entertaining.
For all the Odell lost an extra gear peeps  
aGiantGuy : 9/17/2020 9:09 pm : link
He just burned a corner that ran a 4.37, happy for him
RE: “Taking a sack to conserve the FG”  
BubbaMojo : 9/17/2020 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14975724 UConn4523 said:
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is now a praise? That should be saved for throwing it away, not taking an 11 yard loss and turn a chip shot into almost 40 yards.

Just a weird way to shit on Jones, doesn’t even make any sense. If he “took the sack to preserve a FG” and fumbled what would your thoughts be?


“Taking a sack to preserve a field goal”——lolololol

Remember  
Toth029 : 9/17/2020 9:10 pm : link
The 2019 Jets-Browns game where Odell did really well. Then did nothing in the other games.

This is it.
RE: “Taking a sack to conserve the FG”  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14975724 UConn4523 said:
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is now a praise? That should be saved for throwing it away, not taking an 11 yard loss and turn a chip shot into almost 40 yards.

Just a weird way to shit on Jones, doesn’t even make any sense. If he “took the sack to preserve a FG” and fumbled what would your thoughts be?


Better to have a 40 FG attempt than risk a poor throw that could be intercepted.

He didn't fumble. The risk of him doing so by taking the sack was less than the risk of being intercepted because he made a poor throw under duress.

Jones's decision was terrible, especially given that he did it after a 15 play drive with the score only 16 - 10. I'm not sure why that's not obvious.

Thanks for the profanity. Much appreciated.
Good  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 9:12 pm : link
for Odell.
John  
Toth029 : 9/17/2020 9:14 pm : link
Ross is the Evan Engram of WRs.
Great drive by Burrow, on the money.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2020 9:14 pm : link
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Glad to see the Giants aren’t the only team with  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2020 9:15 pm : link
lousy safety coverage. Yikes. Fun game though!
Flipping between football and baseball tonight  
mfsd : 9/17/2020 9:20 pm : link
Did Joe Buck blow Mayfield yet, or is he waiting till halftime?
RE: Flipping between football and baseball tonight  
OdellBeckhamJr : 9/17/2020 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14975751 mfsd said:
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Did Joe Buck blow Mayfield yet, or is he waiting till halftime?


Burrow is his squeeze tonight
RE: someone explain to me  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2020 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14975729 santacruzom said:
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what differentiates TikTok from Instagram or Youtube.


Well, to my knowledge, Instagram and YouTube aren't malicious Chinese spyware
RE: RE: “Taking a sack to conserve the FG”  
UConn4523 : 9/17/2020 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14975741 AcidTest said:
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is now a praise? That should be saved for throwing it away, not taking an 11 yard loss and turn a chip shot into almost 40 yards.

Just a weird way to shit on Jones, doesn’t even make any sense. If he “took the sack to preserve a FG” and fumbled what would your thoughts be?



Better to have a 40 FG attempt than risk a poor throw that could be intercepted.

He didn't fumble. The risk of him doing so by taking the sack was less than the risk of being intercepted because he made a poor throw under duress.

Jones's decision was terrible, especially given that he did it after a 15 play drive with the score only 16 - 10. I'm not sure why that's not obvious.

Thanks for the profanity. Much appreciated.


What profanity, “shit on”? Good lord..
Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
Oscar : 9/17/2020 9:34 pm : link
And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.
Chubb getting it done  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2020 9:35 pm : link
Good RB. Mixon doing it too (hate that guy, but he’s a nasty back).
Chubb  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 9:39 pm : link
is very good, but I'd rather have Saquon. My recollection is also that the Browns offered both their second round picks to move from #4 to #2 to take Saquon and pair him with Mayfield.
RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
EricJ : 9/17/2020 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14975759 Oscar said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.


Pre draft my plan was to take someone else with our first pick then Chubb with our next pick
RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
barens : 9/17/2020 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14975759 Oscar said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.


And when do the Giants get to play Cincy??
RE: RE: someone explain to me  
Everyone Relax : 9/17/2020 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14975755 Greg from LI said:
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what differentiates TikTok from Instagram or Youtube.



Well, to my knowledge, Instagram and YouTube aren't malicious Chinese spyware


To my knowledge TikTok is the next iteration of social media that directly preys on shorter attention spans and phone addiction. If offers talentless individuals another platform to post videos of themselves doing stuff that you never cared to see.
RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2020 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14975759 Oscar said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.


No he isn't, not even close
When did the sideline become the boundary?  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2020 9:53 pm : link
Just asking.
Burrow  
montanagiant : 9/17/2020 9:54 pm : link
Has been impressive
Burrow looks damn good. And I hope he's the goods.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2020 9:57 pm : link
I have no ill will towards the Bengals & that's a fanbase that has been kicked in the nuts time & time again.
TB vs Islanders game tied 1-1  
montanagiant : 9/17/2020 10:06 pm : link
In the 3rd. Islanders have to win to force game 7
RE: RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
Producer : 9/17/2020 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14975771 PatersonPlank said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.



No he isn't, not even close


of course it's close. Barkley is better but Chubb is fantastic. No need to dump on him. He runs with unusual power and quickness. He's a threat to take it to the house on almost every play and he is a killer between the tackles.
Nice play...  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2020 10:17 pm : link
.
Chubby  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2020 10:19 pm : link
Ballin out.
RE: Chubby  
Producer : 9/17/2020 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14975787 trueblueinpw said:
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Ballin out.


helluva back
On that TD run Chubb wasn't touched until about 7 yds beyond  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2020 10:21 pm : link
the lone of scrimmage
RE: TB vs Islanders game tied 1-1  
Route 9 : 9/17/2020 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14975780 montanagiant said:
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In the 3rd. Islanders have to win to force game 7


Tampa Bay keeps letting NYI hang around, they're going to be in trouble - they got to end this.
Pick plays..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 10:23 pm : link
are so inconsistently called in this league.

The earlier first down was a textbook pick in that the TE just blew up the DB to take him out of the play
1st..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 10:25 pm : link
and goal from the 1 and the Browns don't even make it a 2 score game. The coaching is suspect here. Take the FG - game management
RE: 1st..  
Sean : 9/17/2020 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14975795 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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and goal from the 1 and the Browns don't even make it a 2 score game. The coaching is suspect here. Take the FG - game management


Analytics!
The Browns..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 10:26 pm : link
trying to play like they are the Chiefs there.

Take the points and the better chance at the W!
I came here just to post how dumb that is. Go up two scores  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2020 10:26 pm : link
Shit isn't rocket science.
RE: Chubby  
Kev in Cali : 9/17/2020 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14975787 trueblueinpw said:
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Ballin out.


He sure is!!! lol
Sean..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 10:28 pm : link
I was just going to say that this is a perfect example of perceived analytics getting in the way, when I'm fairly certain having a 11 point lead is going to deliver a higher win probability than an 8 point lead, and having a 15 point lead isn't going to tilt the scale too much more
He was tackled by his own OL  
EricJ : 9/17/2020 10:28 pm : link
Incredible. There were no bengals on the tackle
Myles Garrett  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2020 10:34 pm : link
Is nasty. And mean.
Bobby Hart  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/17/2020 10:35 pm : link
Making his presence felt.
Best RT in the NFL  
slackerracker : 9/17/2020 10:35 pm : link
coming up huge, blocking no one and laying a hand on the defender that causes a fumble at the 1
Hart  
Toth029 : 9/17/2020 10:36 pm : link
Watches his QB get mauled.

Where have I seen that before?
Bobby Hart may be going against Myles Garrett  
Anakim : 9/17/2020 10:40 pm : link
But he's fucking atrocious
RE: Bobby Hart may be going against Myles Garrett  
Toth029 : 9/17/2020 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14975824 Anakim said:
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But he's fucking atrocious

Garrett is on the other side.
i have to say..  
Producer : 9/17/2020 10:46 pm : link
Burrow is a week one rookie starter and seems to have no training wheels. Right into the fire, letting him figure it out. The coaches must have enormous regard for his capacity.
Was this really the intent of the Big Ben rule?  
MetsAreBack : 9/17/2020 10:47 pm : link
To take 3 minutes to review seemingly half of all TDS to see if a runner was down 6 inches before the ball crossed? Wish they’d just review the obvious
RE: i have to say..  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2020 10:51 pm : link
In comment 14975828 Producer said:
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Burrow is a week one rookie starter and seems to have no training wheels. Right into the fire, letting him figure it out. The coaches must have enormous regard for his capacity.


I don't know about that, pretty conservative game plan. They are going very safe with the route combos and drops. Looks to be a smart decision maker at the very least.
Boyd's...  
Kev in Cali : 9/17/2020 10:52 pm : link
got money on the Browns. Or he just flat out sucks.
Burrow  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 10:52 pm : link
and Baker have both looked good.
The officiating is AWFUL on both sides  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2020 10:52 pm : link
Jeez I was hopeful the NFL put the clamp down on the officials this offseason but holy fuck. Totally unwatchable.
That looked like offensive PI to me. Guy ran into him and initiated  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2020 10:53 pm : link
contact.
RE: That looked like offensive PI to me. Guy ran into him and initiated  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2020 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14975837 Zeke's Alibi said:
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contact.


Yeah, I was talking about the missed holdings, picks, interminable TD reviews and overturns based on nothing definitive, and then ticky tack penalties.
personal foul ..  
Producer : 9/17/2020 11:02 pm : link
what a stupid penalty. Bengals continue to be the worst..
RE: personal foul ..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14975843 Producer said:
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what a stupid penalty. Bengals continue to be the worst..


What cracks me up about both of these teams is that they are dirty as hell and still suck.
Nice  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 11:08 pm : link
one handed catch by Sample.

The right side of the Bengals OL is really bad.
RE: Burrow  
cokeduplt : 9/17/2020 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14975835 AcidTest said:
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and Baker have both looked good.


Funny I was just thinking how neither are better than Jones
Uzomah  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 11:10 pm : link
is hurt. Hope he's OK.
RE: RE: personal foul ..  
Producer : 9/17/2020 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14975846 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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what a stupid penalty. Bengals continue to be the worst..



What cracks me up about both of these teams is that they are dirty as hell and still suck.


so true
RE: RE: Burrow  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14975851 cokeduplt said:
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and Baker have both looked good.



Funny I was just thinking how neither are better than Jones


I wouldn't trade Jones for either. No way.
Good night, Islanders.  
Route 9 : 9/17/2020 11:14 pm : link
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RE: Good night, Islanders.  
montanagiant : 9/17/2020 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14975862 Route 9 said:
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Tough loss, too much dinking and dunking at mid-ice
Both Hunt and Chubb running wild  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2020 11:26 pm : link
It feels strange to watch a team actually open up holes for the running backs. They aren't getting hit until like 5 yds beyond the LOS
RE: Both Hunt and Chubb running wild  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14975876 PatersonPlank said:
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It feels strange to watch a team actually open up holes for the running backs. They aren't getting hit until like 5 yds beyond the LOS


I think that;s more a function of the Bengals run D sucking. It is like watching QB's against our secondary and marveling at how great they look

Of course, Buck and Aikman seemed to be fooled. You'd swear we're watching a division contending team
Run the football  
jmalls23 : 9/17/2020 11:29 pm : link
If we don't block for saquon this Sunday we are literally going to have to revamp the Oline again!
Burrow is impressive  
LBH15 : 9/17/2020 11:40 pm : link
Doesn’t give up.
Fucking Janet. Rain ruining the day.  
Route 9 : 9/17/2020 11:40 pm : link
How many fans did they allow in the stadium?
RE: Both Hunt and Chubb running wild  
LBH15 : 9/17/2020 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14975876 PatersonPlank said:
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It feels strange to watch a team actually open up holes for the running backs. They aren't getting hit until like 5 yds beyond the LOS


Cincy run defense isn’t rated well. With that said Chubb, Hunt and the OL were very strong tonight and deserve the credit.
RE: We could have had  
Sonic Youth : 9/17/2020 11:53 pm : link
In comment 14975709 Mike in NY said:
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Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez
Everyone knows this would be a better combo in hindsight, but there is not one team that would have drafted a guard at #2 overall, and very few on this site would have supported that.

it's revisionist history/hindsight. Just bc we went RB / G doesn't mean reversing it to G/RB would have happened - a Guard does not go 2nd overall, ever.
RE: RE: Burrow  
Sonic Youth : 9/17/2020 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14975851 cokeduplt said:
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and Baker have both looked good.



Funny I was just thinking how neither are better than Jones
I know they're all young QBs, but they aren't in the same boat.

Baker has started way more games than Jones and Burrow.

jones is in the middle (obviously), and this is literally Burrows second game...
You can see  
mdthedream : 9/17/2020 11:58 pm : link
Cleveland trying to give away the game.They dominated the line and still would pass the ball and not do the right thing. Mayfield is not there best player give the ball to the two backs and keep running it down there throat. Glad he is not our QB.
RE: RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
GeofromNJ : 9/18/2020 12:00 am : link
In comment 14975771 PatersonPlank said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.



No he isn't, not even close

You're right. It's not close. Statistically Chubb is way better than SB. Should we credit the Cleveland O-line? Their use of a blocking back? Something is responsible for Chubb being able to break free of the LOS, dart and change direction and gain yards.
RE: RE: RE: Burrow  
cokeduplt : 9/18/2020 12:05 am : link
In comment 14975896 Sonic Youth said:
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and Baker have both looked good.



Funny I was just thinking how neither are better than Jones

I know they're all young QBs, but they aren't in the same boat.

Baker has started way more games than Jones and Burrow.

jones is in the middle (obviously), and this is literally Burrows second game...



I’m aware of all of that, I said what I said
RE: RE: RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
Mike in NJ : 9/18/2020 12:15 am : link
In comment 14975899 GeofromNJ said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.



No he isn't, not even close


You're right. It's not close. Statistically Chubb is way better than SB. Should we credit the Cleveland O-line? Their use of a blocking back? Something is responsible for Chubb being able to break free of the LOS, dart and change direction and gain yards.


What are you talking about? Barkley has more yards/touch, more yards from scrimmage and more total touchdowns. Also, Chubb has played 3 more games, so the margins would be even higher in Barkley’s favor...How is Chubb statistically way better than Barkley?
Gee-whiz  
M.S. : 9/18/2020 7:01 am : link

Wish the Giants could run block like the Browns (138 yards against the Ravens and now 215 yards against the Bengals.)

RE: RE: RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/18/2020 7:18 am : link
In comment 14975899 GeofromNJ said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.



No he isn't, not even close


You're right. It's not close. Statistically Chubb is way better than SB. Should we credit the Cleveland O-line? Their use of a blocking back? Something is responsible for Chubb being able to break free of the LOS, dart and change direction and gain yards.


Is there even a shred of truth to this??

Can you point to a statistic where Chubb is way better? If not, then why post shit like this?
Chubb is a very good RB, but he does not have the explosion of SB.  
George from PA : 9/18/2020 7:52 am : link
There is also a slight difference between Pittsburgh and Cinn....

RE: Gee-whiz  
Justlurking : 9/18/2020 8:24 am : link
In comment 14975917 M.S. said:
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Wish the Giants could run block like the Browns (138 yards against the Ravens and now 215 yards against the Bengals.)


Those teams run defenses do not even compare to Pitt.
RE: RE: Gee-whiz  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/18/2020 10:21 am : link
In comment 14975926 Justlurking said:
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Wish the Giants could run block like the Browns (138 yards against the Ravens and now 215 yards against the Bengals.)




Those teams run defenses do not even compare to Pitt.


The Ravens' run defense doesn't even compare to Pitt's? They were the 5th best in the league last year. Pittsburgh was 14th.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
PatersonPlank : 9/18/2020 10:24 am : link
In comment 14975906 Mike in NJ said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.



No he isn't, not even close


You're right. It's not close. Statistically Chubb is way better than SB. Should we credit the Cleveland O-line? Their use of a blocking back? Something is responsible for Chubb being able to break free of the LOS, dart and change direction and gain yards.



What are you talking about? Barkley has more yards/touch, more yards from scrimmage and more total touchdowns. Also, Chubb has played 3 more games, so the margins would be even higher in Barkley’s favor...How is Chubb statistically way better than Barkley?


This is rediculous. Running the ball doesn't happen in a vacuum. Run blocking and who you are playing against matter a lot, to every running back. If you can't see the difference between Cleve running the ball into Cincy's D, vs the Giants OL running into the Pitts D then there really is no point in reasoning with you.
RE: RE: We could have had  
LBH15 : 9/18/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14975894 Sonic Youth said:
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Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez

Everyone knows this would be a better combo in hindsight, but there is not one team that would have drafted a guard at #2 overall, and very few on this site would have supported that.

it's revisionist history/hindsight. Just bc we went RB / G doesn't mean reversing it to G/RB would have happened - a Guard does not go 2nd overall, ever.


Yeah mindset to take a Guard that early is difficult although changes in the NFL game over the years have made the position as valuable as ever.

And if there was a guy who was worth it, Quinton Nelson was it. An elite prospect going into that draft, mean streak, intelligent, run and pass block at the highest level. And its not like he lasted long going #6 to Colts.

I would suggest he clearly made it worth their while being one of the few guys ever to be named 1st Team All-Pro in their first two years.
RE: RE: RE: We could have had  
BigBlueShock : 9/18/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 14976013 LBH15 said:
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Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez

Everyone knows this would be a better combo in hindsight, but there is not one team that would have drafted a guard at #2 overall, and very few on this site would have supported that.

it's revisionist history/hindsight. Just bc we went RB / G doesn't mean reversing it to G/RB would have happened - a Guard does not go 2nd overall, ever.



Yeah mindset to take a Guard that early is difficult although changes in the NFL game over the years have made the position as valuable as ever.

And if there was a guy who was worth it, Quinton Nelson was it. An elite prospect going into that draft, mean streak, intelligent, run and pass block at the highest level. And its not like he lasted long going #6 to Colts.

I would suggest he clearly made it worth their while being one of the few guys ever to be named 1st Team All-Pro in their first two years.

It’s all about situations many times. If the Giants picked Nelson and he had to play with the shitastic LT and center play that the Giants have run out there we would all be bitching about Nelson being a wasted pick and complaining that’s why you don’t take a guard at 2. And there’s less than zero chance he’d be a two time All Pro playing next to Solder and the mosh mash centers we’ve had to endure.
Sadly as it seems, that might be very true BigBlueShock  
LBH15 : 9/18/2020 11:18 am : link
Maybe Will Hernandez is as good as Nelson but nobody can tell?
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