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90.Cal : 9/17/2020 8:14 pm
BROWNS vs BENGALS. Battle of Ohio.

Guess what former Giant is inactive for Cleveland tonight?
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On that TD run Chubb wasn't touched until about 7 yds beyond  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2020 10:21 pm : link
the lone of scrimmage
RE: TB vs Islanders game tied 1-1  
Route 9 : 9/17/2020 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14975780 montanagiant said:
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In the 3rd. Islanders have to win to force game 7


Tampa Bay keeps letting NYI hang around, they're going to be in trouble - they got to end this.
Pick plays..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 10:23 pm : link
are so inconsistently called in this league.

The earlier first down was a textbook pick in that the TE just blew up the DB to take him out of the play
1st..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 10:25 pm : link
and goal from the 1 and the Browns don't even make it a 2 score game. The coaching is suspect here. Take the FG - game management
RE: 1st..  
Sean : 9/17/2020 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14975795 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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and goal from the 1 and the Browns don't even make it a 2 score game. The coaching is suspect here. Take the FG - game management


Analytics!
The Browns..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 10:26 pm : link
trying to play like they are the Chiefs there.

Take the points and the better chance at the W!
I came here just to post how dumb that is. Go up two scores  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2020 10:26 pm : link
Shit isn't rocket science.
RE: Chubby  
Kev in Cali : 9/17/2020 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14975787 trueblueinpw said:
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Ballin out.


He sure is!!! lol
Sean..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 10:28 pm : link
I was just going to say that this is a perfect example of perceived analytics getting in the way, when I'm fairly certain having a 11 point lead is going to deliver a higher win probability than an 8 point lead, and having a 15 point lead isn't going to tilt the scale too much more
He was tackled by his own OL  
EricJ : 9/17/2020 10:28 pm : link
Incredible. There were no bengals on the tackle
Myles Garrett  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2020 10:34 pm : link
Is nasty. And mean.
Bobby Hart  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/17/2020 10:35 pm : link
Making his presence felt.
Best RT in the NFL  
slackerracker : 9/17/2020 10:35 pm : link
coming up huge, blocking no one and laying a hand on the defender that causes a fumble at the 1
Hart  
Toth029 : 9/17/2020 10:36 pm : link
Watches his QB get mauled.

Where have I seen that before?
Bobby Hart may be going against Myles Garrett  
Anakim : 9/17/2020 10:40 pm : link
But he's fucking atrocious
RE: Bobby Hart may be going against Myles Garrett  
Toth029 : 9/17/2020 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14975824 Anakim said:
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But he's fucking atrocious

Garrett is on the other side.
i have to say..  
Producer : 9/17/2020 10:46 pm : link
Burrow is a week one rookie starter and seems to have no training wheels. Right into the fire, letting him figure it out. The coaches must have enormous regard for his capacity.
Was this really the intent of the Big Ben rule?  
MetsAreBack : 9/17/2020 10:47 pm : link
To take 3 minutes to review seemingly half of all TDS to see if a runner was down 6 inches before the ball crossed? Wish they’d just review the obvious
RE: i have to say..  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2020 10:51 pm : link
In comment 14975828 Producer said:
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Burrow is a week one rookie starter and seems to have no training wheels. Right into the fire, letting him figure it out. The coaches must have enormous regard for his capacity.


I don't know about that, pretty conservative game plan. They are going very safe with the route combos and drops. Looks to be a smart decision maker at the very least.
Boyd's...  
Kev in Cali : 9/17/2020 10:52 pm : link
got money on the Browns. Or he just flat out sucks.
Burrow  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 10:52 pm : link
and Baker have both looked good.
The officiating is AWFUL on both sides  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2020 10:52 pm : link
Jeez I was hopeful the NFL put the clamp down on the officials this offseason but holy fuck. Totally unwatchable.
That looked like offensive PI to me. Guy ran into him and initiated  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/17/2020 10:53 pm : link
contact.
RE: That looked like offensive PI to me. Guy ran into him and initiated  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2020 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14975837 Zeke's Alibi said:
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contact.


Yeah, I was talking about the missed holdings, picks, interminable TD reviews and overturns based on nothing definitive, and then ticky tack penalties.
personal foul ..  
Producer : 9/17/2020 11:02 pm : link
what a stupid penalty. Bengals continue to be the worst..
RE: personal foul ..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14975843 Producer said:
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what a stupid penalty. Bengals continue to be the worst..


What cracks me up about both of these teams is that they are dirty as hell and still suck.
Nice  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 11:08 pm : link
one handed catch by Sample.

The right side of the Bengals OL is really bad.
RE: Burrow  
cokeduplt : 9/17/2020 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14975835 AcidTest said:
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and Baker have both looked good.


Funny I was just thinking how neither are better than Jones
Uzomah  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 11:10 pm : link
is hurt. Hope he's OK.
RE: RE: personal foul ..  
Producer : 9/17/2020 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14975846 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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what a stupid penalty. Bengals continue to be the worst..



What cracks me up about both of these teams is that they are dirty as hell and still suck.


so true
RE: RE: Burrow  
AcidTest : 9/17/2020 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14975851 cokeduplt said:
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and Baker have both looked good.



Funny I was just thinking how neither are better than Jones


I wouldn't trade Jones for either. No way.
Good night, Islanders.  
Route 9 : 9/17/2020 11:14 pm : link
...
RE: Good night, Islanders.  
montanagiant : 9/17/2020 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14975862 Route 9 said:
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Tough loss, too much dinking and dunking at mid-ice
Both Hunt and Chubb running wild  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2020 11:26 pm : link
It feels strange to watch a team actually open up holes for the running backs. They aren't getting hit until like 5 yds beyond the LOS
RE: Both Hunt and Chubb running wild  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2020 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14975876 PatersonPlank said:
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It feels strange to watch a team actually open up holes for the running backs. They aren't getting hit until like 5 yds beyond the LOS


I think that;s more a function of the Bengals run D sucking. It is like watching QB's against our secondary and marveling at how great they look

Of course, Buck and Aikman seemed to be fooled. You'd swear we're watching a division contending team
Run the football  
jmalls23 : 9/17/2020 11:29 pm : link
If we don't block for saquon this Sunday we are literally going to have to revamp the Oline again!
Burrow is impressive  
LBH15 : 9/17/2020 11:40 pm : link
Doesn’t give up.
Fucking Janet. Rain ruining the day.  
Route 9 : 9/17/2020 11:40 pm : link
How many fans did they allow in the stadium?
RE: Both Hunt and Chubb running wild  
LBH15 : 9/17/2020 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14975876 PatersonPlank said:
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It feels strange to watch a team actually open up holes for the running backs. They aren't getting hit until like 5 yds beyond the LOS


Cincy run defense isn’t rated well. With that said Chubb, Hunt and the OL were very strong tonight and deserve the credit.
RE: We could have had  
Sonic Youth : 9/17/2020 11:53 pm : link
In comment 14975709 Mike in NY said:
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Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez
Everyone knows this would be a better combo in hindsight, but there is not one team that would have drafted a guard at #2 overall, and very few on this site would have supported that.

it's revisionist history/hindsight. Just bc we went RB / G doesn't mean reversing it to G/RB would have happened - a Guard does not go 2nd overall, ever.
RE: RE: Burrow  
Sonic Youth : 9/17/2020 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14975851 cokeduplt said:
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and Baker have both looked good.



Funny I was just thinking how neither are better than Jones
I know they're all young QBs, but they aren't in the same boat.

Baker has started way more games than Jones and Burrow.

jones is in the middle (obviously), and this is literally Burrows second game...
You can see  
mdthedream : 9/17/2020 11:58 pm : link
Cleveland trying to give away the game.They dominated the line and still would pass the ball and not do the right thing. Mayfield is not there best player give the ball to the two backs and keep running it down there throat. Glad he is not our QB.
RE: RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
GeofromNJ : 9/18/2020 12:00 am : link
In comment 14975771 PatersonPlank said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.



No he isn't, not even close

You're right. It's not close. Statistically Chubb is way better than SB. Should we credit the Cleveland O-line? Their use of a blocking back? Something is responsible for Chubb being able to break free of the LOS, dart and change direction and gain yards.
RE: RE: RE: Burrow  
cokeduplt : 9/18/2020 12:05 am : link
In comment 14975896 Sonic Youth said:
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and Baker have both looked good.



Funny I was just thinking how neither are better than Jones

I know they're all young QBs, but they aren't in the same boat.

Baker has started way more games than Jones and Burrow.

jones is in the middle (obviously), and this is literally Burrows second game...



I’m aware of all of that, I said what I said
RE: RE: RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
Mike in NJ : 9/18/2020 12:15 am : link
In comment 14975899 GeofromNJ said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.



No he isn't, not even close


You're right. It's not close. Statistically Chubb is way better than SB. Should we credit the Cleveland O-line? Their use of a blocking back? Something is responsible for Chubb being able to break free of the LOS, dart and change direction and gain yards.


What are you talking about? Barkley has more yards/touch, more yards from scrimmage and more total touchdowns. Also, Chubb has played 3 more games, so the margins would be even higher in Barkley’s favor...How is Chubb statistically way better than Barkley?
Gee-whiz  
M.S. : 9/18/2020 7:01 am : link

Wish the Giants could run block like the Browns (138 yards against the Ravens and now 215 yards against the Bengals.)

RE: RE: RE: Chubb is every bit as good as Saquon  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/18/2020 7:18 am : link
In comment 14975899 GeofromNJ said:
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.



No he isn't, not even close


You're right. It's not close. Statistically Chubb is way better than SB. Should we credit the Cleveland O-line? Their use of a blocking back? Something is responsible for Chubb being able to break free of the LOS, dart and change direction and gain yards.


Is there even a shred of truth to this??

Can you point to a statistic where Chubb is way better? If not, then why post shit like this?
Chubb is a very good RB, but he does not have the explosion of SB.  
George from PA : 9/18/2020 7:52 am : link
There is also a slight difference between Pittsburgh and Cinn....

RE: Gee-whiz  
Justlurking : 9/18/2020 8:24 am : link
In comment 14975917 M.S. said:
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Wish the Giants could run block like the Browns (138 yards against the Ravens and now 215 yards against the Bengals.)


Those teams run defenses do not even compare to Pitt.
RE: RE: Gee-whiz  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/18/2020 10:21 am : link
In comment 14975926 Justlurking said:
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Wish the Giants could run block like the Browns (138 yards against the Ravens and now 215 yards against the Bengals.)




Those teams run defenses do not even compare to Pitt.


The Ravens' run defense doesn't even compare to Pitt's? They were the 5th best in the league last year. Pittsburgh was 14th.
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