You're right. It's not close. Statistically Chubb is way better than SB. Should we credit the Cleveland O-line? Their use of a blocking back? Something is responsible for Chubb being able to break free of the LOS, dart and change direction and gain yards.
What are you talking about? Barkley has more yards/touch, more yards from scrimmage and more total touchdowns. Also, Chubb has played 3 more games, so the margins would be even higher in Barkley’s favor...How is Chubb statistically way better than Barkley?
This is rediculous. Running the ball doesn't happen in a vacuum. Run blocking and who you are playing against matter a lot, to every running back. If you can't see the difference between Cleve running the ball into Cincy's D, vs the Giants OL running into the Pitts D then there really is no point in reasoning with you.
Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez
Everyone knows this would be a better combo in hindsight, but there is not one team that would have drafted a guard at #2 overall, and very few on this site would have supported that.
it's revisionist history/hindsight. Just bc we went RB / G doesn't mean reversing it to G/RB would have happened - a Guard does not go 2nd overall, ever.
Yeah mindset to take a Guard that early is difficult although changes in the NFL game over the years have made the position as valuable as ever.
And if there was a guy who was worth it, Quinton Nelson was it. An elite prospect going into that draft, mean streak, intelligent, run and pass block at the highest level. And its not like he lasted long going #6 to Colts.
I would suggest he clearly made it worth their while being one of the few guys ever to be named 1st Team All-Pro in their first two years.
Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez
Everyone knows this would be a better combo in hindsight, but there is not one team that would have drafted a guard at #2 overall, and very few on this site would have supported that.
it's revisionist history/hindsight. Just bc we went RB / G doesn't mean reversing it to G/RB would have happened - a Guard does not go 2nd overall, ever.
Yeah mindset to take a Guard that early is difficult although changes in the NFL game over the years have made the position as valuable as ever.
And if there was a guy who was worth it, Quinton Nelson was it. An elite prospect going into that draft, mean streak, intelligent, run and pass block at the highest level. And its not like he lasted long going #6 to Colts.
I would suggest he clearly made it worth their while being one of the few guys ever to be named 1st Team All-Pro in their first two years.
It’s all about situations many times. If the Giants picked Nelson and he had to play with the shitastic LT and center play that the Giants have run out there we would all be bitching about Nelson being a wasted pick and complaining that’s why you don’t take a guard at 2. And there’s less than zero chance he’d be a two time All Pro playing next to Solder and the mosh mash centers we’ve had to endure.
Sadly as it seems, that might be very true BigBlueShock
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And drafted 30 or so picks later. Not great.
No he isn't, not even close
You're right. It's not close. Statistically Chubb is way better than SB. Should we credit the Cleveland O-line? Their use of a blocking back? Something is responsible for Chubb being able to break free of the LOS, dart and change direction and gain yards.
What are you talking about? Barkley has more yards/touch, more yards from scrimmage and more total touchdowns. Also, Chubb has played 3 more games, so the margins would be even higher in Barkley’s favor...How is Chubb statistically way better than Barkley?
This is rediculous. Running the ball doesn't happen in a vacuum. Run blocking and who you are playing against matter a lot, to every running back. If you can't see the difference between Cleve running the ball into Cincy's D, vs the Giants OL running into the Pitts D then there really is no point in reasoning with you.
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Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez
Everyone knows this would be a better combo in hindsight, but there is not one team that would have drafted a guard at #2 overall, and very few on this site would have supported that.
it's revisionist history/hindsight. Just bc we went RB / G doesn't mean reversing it to G/RB would have happened - a Guard does not go 2nd overall, ever.
Yeah mindset to take a Guard that early is difficult although changes in the NFL game over the years have made the position as valuable as ever.
And if there was a guy who was worth it, Quinton Nelson was it. An elite prospect going into that draft, mean streak, intelligent, run and pass block at the highest level. And its not like he lasted long going #6 to Colts.
I would suggest he clearly made it worth their while being one of the few guys ever to be named 1st Team All-Pro in their first two years.
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Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb versus Saquon and Will Hernandez
Everyone knows this would be a better combo in hindsight, but there is not one team that would have drafted a guard at #2 overall, and very few on this site would have supported that.
it's revisionist history/hindsight. Just bc we went RB / G doesn't mean reversing it to G/RB would have happened - a Guard does not go 2nd overall, ever.
Yeah mindset to take a Guard that early is difficult although changes in the NFL game over the years have made the position as valuable as ever.
And if there was a guy who was worth it, Quinton Nelson was it. An elite prospect going into that draft, mean streak, intelligent, run and pass block at the highest level. And its not like he lasted long going #6 to Colts.
I would suggest he clearly made it worth their while being one of the few guys ever to be named 1st Team All-Pro in their first two years.
It’s all about situations many times. If the Giants picked Nelson and he had to play with the shitastic LT and center play that the Giants have run out there we would all be bitching about Nelson being a wasted pick and complaining that’s why you don’t take a guard at 2. And there’s less than zero chance he’d be a two time All Pro playing next to Solder and the mosh mash centers we’ve had to endure.