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bubba0825 : 9/20/2020 3:57 pm
Ugh.
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RE: Another reason  
PetesHereNow : 9/20/2020 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:
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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.


And you’ll continue to say it and say it and say it and say it and say it.
I feel bad for Barkley  
Oscar : 9/20/2020 4:22 pm : link
I feel bad for the Giants as well because he’s supposed to be a big piece and now he’s gone. Timing is horrible with a contract decision looming, there is absolutely no way in the world the Giants can offer him serious money. He’ll have to come back on his rookie deal and prove he’s the same guy next season. Even then I think letting him walk will prove to be the right move.

Whatever happens I don’t want Gettleman making the call.
RE: RE: Shades  
Matt M. : 9/20/2020 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14978638 truebluelarry said:
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In comment 14978611 Eric from BBI said:


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of Tucker Frederickson... may never regain his old form if this is true.



He may have to go the Ottis Anderson/Rodney Hapmpton route by putting on weight and becoming a between-the-tackles power back.
That makes him a wasted pick in this NFL. You have to hope he fully recovers, as many athletes do from ACL injuries these days. Unfortunately, this means he very likely misses part of next season also, so this could essentially kill 2 years of his rookie deal. That leaves him playing for a contract in the final year.
ACLs aren't career killers anymore really  
Sonic Youth : 9/20/2020 4:25 pm : link
Hopefully he can come back strong. Waste of a year on his rookie contract though, as others have said.
RE: I feel bad for Barkley  
Matt M. : 9/20/2020 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14978663 Oscar said:
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I feel bad for the Giants as well because he’s supposed to be a big piece and now he’s gone. Timing is horrible with a contract decision looming, there is absolutely no way in the world the Giants can offer him serious money. He’ll have to come back on his rookie deal and prove he’s the same guy next season. Even then I think letting him walk will prove to be the right move.

Whatever happens I don’t want Gettleman making the call.
Depending on severity, next year could be a bit of a wash. Eecovery is usually more than a year. There is a good chance he would miss camp next year depending on when he has surgery...assuming he needs it.

Right now, our best bet is this comes back as a sprained or hyperextended knee.
Gallman gets his chance, and we should also look at Freeman  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2020 4:25 pm : link
and any other NFL caliber back out there.

If the OL continues to get better we can still compete
feel awful for Saquon  
Eric on Li : 9/20/2020 4:26 pm : link
hope it's a non-complicated surgery and he can get himself 100% for next year. He looked like he was running with anger and about to break loose for a big day too.
Are there any decent unsigned RB's out there?  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/20/2020 4:26 pm : link
Gettleman has to get off his butt and sign someone, or this season is toast.
I do give them credit for nearly coming back in the second half.
This doesn't change my opinion of picking Barkley  
Matt M. : 9/20/2020 4:26 pm : link
He was the guy I wanted then and I still think it was the right move. But, I'm sure you guys would be happier with no running back and Darnold struggling in his 3rd year at QB, right?
Sounds like  
Crazed Dogs : 9/20/2020 4:26 pm : link
they are worried and rightly so but no clue as to whether it is torn
RE: Another reason  
crick n NC : 9/20/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:
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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.


Strange thread to continue your argument
Best that could be hoped for  
Dave on the UWS : 9/20/2020 4:28 pm : link
Is knee sprain. Doubt it though. Looked like the classic Non contact knee injury.
RE: Another reason  
Danny Kanell : 9/20/2020 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:
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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.


Can you just shut the fuck up, for once? Not the thread for this you insecure zero.
RE: RE: Another reason  
Joey in VA : 9/20/2020 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14978723 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:


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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.



Can you just shut the fuck up, for once? Not the thread for this you insecure zero.
Heh
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GiantEgo : 9/20/2020 4:38 pm : link
Adrian Peterson regained his form after a torn ACL. Hope it works out for Saquon but his career is taking on a tragic quality.

Under NO circumstance  
Spider43 : 9/20/2020 4:38 pm : link
Should we re-sign him. NONE.
Down their best player, it's a distinct possibility this team  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/20/2020 4:38 pm : link
will be picking in the top 5 of the draft again.

And Jones is definitely NOT, to this point in time, ruling out a play for another QB.

I don't think he's comfortable in Garrett's offense yet, but he has some issues that need correcting big time.
Praying Saquon can return to 100% next year.  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/20/2020 4:40 pm : link
No one will out work him in rehab.
injuries are part of the game  
bc4life : 9/20/2020 4:42 pm : link
obviously, when it's the heart of your offense and the offense wasn't up and running yet - it's a major blow.

They'll bring up Rod Smith, he can play and knows the offense.
RE: Another reason  
bigblue1124 : 9/20/2020 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:
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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.


What a scumbag comment to make on a injury thread. What’s wrong with you?
Rappaport confirming.  
Beezer : 9/20/2020 4:44 pm : link
Torn ACL.
couple of NFE East perennial front runners  
bc4life : 9/20/2020 4:44 pm : link
not playing that great either
It's definitely an ACL  
Joey in VA : 9/20/2020 4:44 pm : link
You can tell with flexibility tests prior to the MRI, it's a pretty easy diagnosis these days. We may very well be picking 1st, but at least if we take another QB he'll have a LT to protect him.
RE: It's definitely an ACL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2020 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14978806 Joey in VA said:
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You can tell with flexibility tests prior to the MRI, it's a pretty easy diagnosis these days. We may very well be picking 1st, but at least if we take another QB he'll have a LT to protect him.


Getting Penei Sewell would be many steps forward.
RE: Another reason  
djm : 9/20/2020 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:
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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.


You’re the worst.
IMO  
socrates : 9/20/2020 4:58 pm : link
is the Giants are smart, this injury can be used as a re-start. Move on from Jones and Barkley, get rid of Gettleman and do a proper rebuild.
RE: IMO  
Spider43 : 9/20/2020 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14978850 socrates said:
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is the Giants are smart, this injury can be used as a re-start. Move on from Jones and Barkley, get rid of Gettleman and do a proper rebuild.


Now you're talking. I still have hope for DJ, but we should definitely move on from Getts and Barkley. And absolutely, hit the reset button this offseason.
RE: Another reason  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/20/2020 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:
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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.


You continue to sound like the fucking morons who while Barkley is writhing on the ground in pain are typing "Fire Gettleman".

I used to think we had knowledgeable, classy fans, but time and again I'm shown that we have some real fucking imbeciles supporting this team.
RE: RE: Another reason  
Josh in the City : 9/20/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14978878 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:


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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.



You continue to sound like the fucking morons who while Barkley is writhing on the ground in pain are typing "Fire Gettleman".

I used to think we had knowledgeable, classy fans, but time and again I'm shown that we have some real fucking imbeciles supporting this team.

Nah every week that passes it seems I’ve been proven more and more right. Tough for you and others to acknowledge you were wrong, i understand, but that draft pick is going to end up being the downfall of Gettleman. Sorry if you still can’t see what’s now staring you in the face.
RE: RE: RE: Another reason  
PetesHereNow : 9/20/2020 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14978890 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 14978878 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:


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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.



You continue to sound like the fucking morons who while Barkley is writhing on the ground in pain are typing "Fire Gettleman".

I used to think we had knowledgeable, classy fans, but time and again I'm shown that we have some real fucking imbeciles supporting this team.


Nah every week that passes it seems I’ve been proven more and more right. Tough for you and others to acknowledge you were wrong, i understand, but that draft pick is going to end up being the downfall of Gettleman. Sorry if you still can’t see what’s now staring you in the face.


and if it were up to you, Sam Darnold would be our quarterback. You can try to beat this drum as much as you like, but that fact won’t change.

See, now that Darnold looks like ass, you’ve changed your point from: “should have drafted Darnold over Barkley” to “you can’t take a RB high”
For the doom and gloom members  
Breeze_94 : 9/20/2020 5:43 pm : link
who sit here before a full diagnosis has officially been released and say that his career is over or that he will never be the same, never be worth a second contract...you are SAD, SAD people.

Yes, it sucks and we are all upset. First, think of how he feels. A guy who works so hard and gives everything he has, and his season is over. He missed out on a big contract extension this offseason just to top it off.

And- it's like some of you haven't taken yourself out of pre-modern medicine era where ACL injuries are a career ender. Guys come back from ACL's all of the time- Peterson, Chubb (multiple acl tears), Dalvin Cook, Jamaal Charles etc etc

Such negative people in here.
RE: RE: RE: Another reason  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/20/2020 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14978890 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 14978878 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:


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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.



You continue to sound like the fucking morons who while Barkley is writhing on the ground in pain are typing "Fire Gettleman".

I used to think we had knowledgeable, classy fans, but time and again I'm shown that we have some real fucking imbeciles supporting this team.


Nah every week that passes it seems I’ve been proven more and more right. Tough for you and others to acknowledge you were wrong, i understand, but that draft pick is going to end up being the downfall of Gettleman. Sorry if you still can’t see what’s now staring you in the face.


What you can't get through your fucking head is that you'd rather be right than the Giants be good.

You really can go fuck yourself. Zero class.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Another reason  
Josh in the City : 9/20/2020 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14979101 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14978890 Josh in the City said:


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In comment 14978878 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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In comment 14978645 Josh in the City said:


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You don’t take a RB at #2 overall (aside from the fact that they have no impact on wins and losses) - they don’t last. I’ll continue to say it...absolutely brutal pick by Gettleman. At least we likely won’t be exacerbating it by spending a ridiculous amount to extend him.



You continue to sound like the fucking morons who while Barkley is writhing on the ground in pain are typing "Fire Gettleman".

I used to think we had knowledgeable, classy fans, but time and again I'm shown that we have some real fucking imbeciles supporting this team.


Nah every week that passes it seems I’ve been proven more and more right. Tough for you and others to acknowledge you were wrong, i understand, but that draft pick is going to end up being the downfall of Gettleman. Sorry if you still can’t see what’s now staring you in the face.



What you can't get through your fucking head is that you'd rather be right than the Giants be good.

You really can go fuck yourself. Zero class.

I’d rather be proven wrong. But unfortunately the results speak for themselves. It was an obvious mistake on draft night that has continued to haunt this team. And most ‘fans’ are too blinded by their love to acknowledge that.
Sure..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/20/2020 7:16 pm : link
we're haunted by the Barkley pick.

You are really dense aren't you?
RE: Sure..  
Josh in the City : 9/20/2020 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14979196 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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we're haunted by the Barkley pick.

You are really dense aren't you?

Nope, you’re just blind.
Just because you don't l like the pick  
GManinDC : 9/20/2020 9:22 pm : link
is not justification for posting some shitty response about a guy who just blew out his season. I don't see fans who want to see the team win gloating about being right about draft picks.

You were fucking right! Want a cookie?
Josh in the City  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/20/2020 11:01 pm : link
Your repeated posts about "being right" are beyond stupid, offensive, and insulting,when the guy you are "right about" just blew out his ACL.

I pray you're not the Josh from this forum that I'm FB friends with... Holy cow if you are. I didn't think Jews could be as stupid as you are acting in this thread. And then doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on the point.

If you use hindsight as your guide (not to mention bail on the shit choice YOU would have made in real time), every Giants draft pick ever should have been someone else, except LT. And maybe Diehl in the 5th round...

Give it a rest and go beat off or something.
Crystal and Hindsight  
Thegratefulhead : 9/21/2020 10:04 am : link
Sure, if we knew Solder was going to be trash and that SB would get injured in successive seasons, it was the wrong pick. I can't argue with that hindsight. However, knowing everything we know about his character and talent it was reasonable pick. The Browns were considering taking him at 1.

That said, some of you are fucking cunts. Stinky, oozing ones at that. None on wants you around. You smell awful and can infect anyone you come into contact with. Just go away and never come back, Gollum. This is no day to gloat.
I actually don't think you'd rather be proven wrong  
UConn4523 : 9/21/2020 10:06 am : link
that amount of times you bring this up tells me you are basking in all of your glory right now.
Nope  
Josh in the City : 9/21/2020 10:18 am : link
I just keep getting more and more frustrated by the stupidity of the pick as my initial reaction has been proven to be right. I'd give anything to have been wrong and for Saquon to have defied all odds to make me eat my words. But unfortunately, that hasn't come close to actually coming to fruition.
and you keep doing it  
UConn4523 : 9/21/2020 10:19 am : link
well I guess I can do it too. Darnold looks awful, so we'd be in the exact same spot we are in now, only no hope at all at QB in all likelihood, hoping to tank to get Lawrence.

So you were wrong (and I was too as I would have been fine with Darnold).
and Darnold keeps proving you wrong  
JonC : 9/21/2020 10:20 am : link
now what, where does your argument go from here?
How the..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 10:24 am : link
fuck has your initial reaction been right?? You keep saying this - but literally your initial reaction was that Barkley was a terrible pick and by passing on Darnold we are missing out on a franchise QB.

Seems to me, at least part of that is woefully wrong - why the fuck aren't you owing up to that or crowing about it?

In fact why the fuck are you patting yourself on the back for a statement that isn't even proving you to be right?
RE: Nope  
crick n NC : 9/21/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 14980030 Josh in the City said:
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I just keep getting more and more frustrated by the stupidity of the pick as my initial reaction has been proven to be right. I'd give anything to have been wrong and for Saquon to have defied all odds to make me eat my words. But unfortunately, that hasn't come close to actually coming to fruition.


Serious question. Are you aware of the lack of class you displayed by using the news of a player suffering a serious injury to say, "I was right"?

On draft night  
Josh in the City : 9/21/2020 11:31 am : link
I said that while Darnold would have been my pick, I would have been happy with any of the QB's. The one thing you absolutely do NOT do is draft a RB at #2 overall. And now you've all seen why.
Cool..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 11:38 am : link
so picking Rosen would have been fine too?

If you pick Darnold or Rosen - the next two rated QB's behind Mayfield - we are no better off.

Yet here you sit, repeating over and over again that you were absolutely right.

Get a fucking dictionary and learn the meaning of absolutely, preferably when you aren't pumping your fist celebrating Barkley's injury.

Dictionaries can cause some damage to windows and walls when propelled....
Josh  
UConn4523 : 9/21/2020 12:03 pm : link
you keep backtracking, its pretty hilarious. I can make a legitimate argument that getting the QB wrong is worse than anything else we could have done.

If the Jets don't get the #1 pick and can't take Lawrence, what do they do next year? Pick up Darnold's 5th year option? Extend him? Let him go and start over after 4 years?

If we drafted Rosen or Darnold how long do we play them until moving on?

How is either scenario better than what we have now?

You were wrong, own it, especially if you are going to keep boasting on every Barkley or DG thread.
None of the QBs available at #2  
JonC : 9/21/2020 12:05 pm : link
settle your opinion as a win.
Bradley Chubb tore his ACL too  
UConn4523 : 9/21/2020 12:08 pm : link
equal risk there. And if he comes back and plays relatively well you will then be making the decision to pay him DE money which is basically double that of a RB as far as guarantees go (sometimes triple).

So this whole "anyone else but Barkley" bit actually has some really poor alternatives when using the ole crystal ball.
It's a "hindsight is 20/20" thing to use this injury  
Mike in NJ : 9/21/2020 12:17 pm : link
to say the Barkley pick was wrong, but part of the argument against taking a RB high in the draft has always been the injury risks.

In general, with the way the game is played now and with the durability concerns at the position, taking a RB high in the draft is probably not the wisest decision, but in this case the alternatives weren't much better.

Taking Darnold or Rosen would have been a disaster, and Allen is off to a nice start this season, but I am not completely sold on him just yet. I don't remember Denzel Ward being in the conversation (he's looking like a heck of a player), Chubb's ACL injury makes the durability argument moot, and taking a Guard at 2 is just as frowned upon as taking an RB.

At the end of the day, the Barkley injury sucks, but he should make a full recovery and be as good as ever. At least we didn't get stuck with Darnold or Rosen...
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