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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/20/2020 3:57 pm
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Hey I am not a fan of moral victories...  
EricJ : 9/20/2020 4:03 pm : link
but the team did fight and come back when it looked like we were dead...
Engram got  
TommyWiseau : 9/20/2020 4:03 pm : link
mugged on that play in the end zone
RE: Engram got  
BleedBlue : 9/20/2020 4:04 pm : link
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mugged on that play in the end zone



BlAtant hold
RE: Hey I am not a fan of moral victories...  
mfsd : 9/20/2020 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14978499 EricJ said:
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but the team did fight and come back when it looked like we were dead...


No doubt. Jones and company played their asses off in the second half
Fought their asses off.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/20/2020 4:04 pm : link
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Barkley out for the season  
jeff57 : 9/20/2020 4:04 pm : link
.ACL
Should have went to the endzone twice  
KevinBBWC : 9/20/2020 4:04 pm : link
only 8 secs left WTF are you doing.
That  
BigBlueinDE : 9/20/2020 4:04 pm : link
was not offensive PI.
Showed fight  
jeff57 : 9/20/2020 4:04 pm : link
Lack talent
The more things change  
madeinstars : 9/20/2020 4:05 pm : link
The more they stay the same.
Would’ve been nice to get that one.  
bceagle05 : 9/20/2020 4:05 pm : link
Get Judge on the board and get DJ another game-winning drive. Fuck.
Horrible officiating on the last play  
glowrider : 9/20/2020 4:05 pm : link
Team is on the right track. Keep the faith.
I like the fight we showed, but we're 0-2...again  
Anakim : 9/20/2020 4:05 pm : link
We just don't have the talent. And now, we're going to be without Saquon for the rest of the year. Shep we'll have to see.


I'm encouraged and discouraged. I like how we're playing hard and playing for Coach Judge, but this looks like another clunker of a season. I didn't have high expectations going in per se, but it really, really sucks that we're looking at another season where we won't sniff the playoffs...and if we do, it's because the NFC East is awful.
They fought back  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/20/2020 4:05 pm : link
OL seemed to make progress as the game went on.

Two big weaknesses the team has. No pass rush and not enough threats at the WR spot. With a good run blocking OL they could manage but they are not at that point yet.
They were in it to the last play  
US1 Giants : 9/20/2020 4:06 pm : link
that is something.

Of all the games in the early schedule this looked like the winnable game. The 49ers are next so the Giants are likely looking at 0-3.
RE: Showed fight  
family progtitioner : 9/20/2020 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14978520 jeff57 said:
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Lack talent


Not a good indictment of DG
This is not a moral victory  
Bramton1 : 9/20/2020 4:06 pm : link
The team played like crap for the first 30 minutes, and didn't have enough to come back in the second half.

Should have got for it on fourth and goal midway through the fourth quarter. A field goal didn't improve anything. Only thing it did was give the Giants a chance if Bears made the field goal. But they didn't. So the Gano FG was pointless.
They fought. That’s encouraging.  
The_Boss : 9/20/2020 4:06 pm : link
But as the losses mount, and they will, and the team’s best player gone for the year, these guys will be demoralized by Columbus Day. If not sooner...
Same thing  
socrates : 9/20/2020 4:06 pm : link
I have been seeing for the last several years.
I saw holding and def pass interferance  
Twtunes : 9/20/2020 4:06 pm : link
on the last play, crappy way to end a very competitive game
The OL improved by leaps and bounds as the game went  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2020 4:06 pm : link
That was a good Bears D. Offense showed great character.

Defense was good and hung in there. Only 14 pts given up, only 7 after the 1st drive.

Always a tough game, but you have to love how it finished. The team is getting better.
I get it  
madeinstars : 9/20/2020 4:07 pm : link
It's nice to see the team play hard for a coach. But Gettleman once again failed to field a team that has the talent to win NFL games. Will the team still fight when they are 0-5?
RE: Same thing  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2020 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14978547 socrates said:
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I have been seeing for the last several years.


troll
Fuck your moral victories.  
Route 9 : 9/20/2020 4:07 pm : link
0-2.
RE: Barkley out for the season  
Blue21 : 9/20/2020 4:07 pm : link
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.ACL


Probably more than this season if it's his ACL
RE: They were in it to the last play  
Bramton1 : 9/20/2020 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14978538 US1 Giants said:
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that is something.

Of all the games in the early schedule this looked like the winnable game. The 49ers are next so the Giants are likely looking at 0-3.


Except the 49ers got killed with injuries today.
Defense shut them out in the second half.  
RDJR : 9/20/2020 4:07 pm : link
That’s the biggest positive IMO. Our offense, now with SB and SS down, is not good.
Still a play away  
lax counsel : 9/20/2020 4:07 pm : link
From being a play away. Fought hard but still 0-2. Nice drive at the end. Barkley injury sucks but can’t be surprised, running backs get hurt much more than any other position. Everyone warned about this risk when picking at #2.

RE: Same thing  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/20/2020 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14978547 socrates said:
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I have been seeing for the last several years.
nope
I'm just so sick and tired of fucking losing  
Anakim : 9/20/2020 4:08 pm : link
Statistically, we're the worst team (worst W-L record) in the NFL since when? 2015? 2016? Enough is enough.
RE: Defense shut them out in the second half.  
madeinstars : 9/20/2020 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14978563 RDJR said:
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That’s the biggest positive IMO. Our offense, now with SB and SS down, is not good.


Mitch Trubisky doing Mitch Trubisky things.
....  
Toth029 : 9/20/2020 4:08 pm : link
Felt like the OL got better as the game wore on. That's gonna be big but unfortunately there's no #26.
RE: I get it  
family progtitioner : 9/20/2020 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14978553 madeinstars said:
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It's nice to see the team play hard for a coach. But Gettleman once again failed to field a team that has the talent to win NFL games. Will the team still fight when they are 0-5?


Exactly. Every team fights hard to not be 0-2. Now we'll see especially without SB
I’m so sick of losing  
BlueManCrew : 9/20/2020 4:09 pm : link
Had a chance to win a game, to show the fan base that they could get it done against an average Bears team. Failed. Now Barkley’s gone for the year, wins aren’t on the horizon and I’m tired of it. 2011 seems like a lifetime ago and it almost was.
RE: Fuck your moral victories.  
Toth029 : 9/20/2020 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14978559 Route 9 said:
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0-2.

So is Dallas and Philadelphia.
The TO gave them 3 points, cost us 3 points. Made this a TD game.  
nym172 : 9/20/2020 4:09 pm : link
Also that 3rd down before the half gave them 4 extra points. But Jones just couldn't make the play at the end. Drops didn't help, Slayton was shut down by fuller and had a key drop.

But TOs...those again were the difference, we always always come back to these with DJ, these cant continue. If we are in position to draft Lawrence we should, I cant take a QB who turns the ball over 2-3x a game.

Without Shep/Barkley, way tougher to come back......


Makes not activating Gallman even worse.

They have to let Engram switch to WR and go with Kaden at TE. They need to open this offense up and go with Gallman.
Another loss.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/20/2020 4:09 pm : link
And SF will steamroll us next week.
RE: RE: Fuck your moral victories.  
Anakim : 9/20/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14978579 Toth029 said:
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0-2.


So is Dallas and Philadelphia.


Trevor Lawrence is going to end up in New York and/or the NFC East. Haha
RE: Hey I am not a fan of moral victories...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/20/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14978499 EricJ said:
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but the team did fight and come back when it looked like we were dead...

It sure sounds like you're a fan of moral victories.
RE: RE: Fuck your moral victories.  
Route 9 : 9/20/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14978579 Toth029 said:
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0-2.


So is Dallas and Philadelphia.


We've been down this road many times where the division stinks but those less shitty teams set things straight against the Giants.
I'll give this to Judge  
AcesUp : 9/20/2020 4:11 pm : link
Two weeks in and his team doesn't quit. After that awful start and Barkley getting carried off, it would have been easy to pack it in.

That said...we're in for another really long season.
Ugh another tough loss  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/20/2020 4:12 pm : link
They are tough to watch.
Pain  
Oscar : 9/20/2020 4:13 pm : link
0-2 on the way to 0 and a lot I think, unfortunately. I don’t know why I have any expectations with this team. They draft in the top 5 or so every year for a reason. We are in the traditional Browns, Bengals, Cardinals, Jets tier.

Count up your moral victories if you want but 0-2 is 0-2. Scored 13 lousy points, haven’t broken 30 total in two weeks combined. Good teams score 30 weekly as a matter of course.
Wow lots of unrealistic around here today.  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2020 4:13 pm : link
Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.

If you are thinking we are going to go out looking sharp and crisp under those circumstances, against established teams.... guess what? This team was in the game against another top ten defense (YES the Bears were a top 10 defense last year and basically returned EVERYONE) with a chance to win up to the last play of the game.
I’m trying to be positive and patient for first month.  
Fritz : 9/20/2020 4:13 pm : link
But it’s not easy and if they go 5 or 6 weeks without a win it becomes hard to find positives. Jones had his ups and downs but at some point he has to stop turning it over so much or he’s never going to be a winning player.
RE: They were in it to the last play  
BleedBlue : 9/20/2020 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14978538 US1 Giants said:
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that is something.

Of all the games in the early schedule this looked like the winnable game. The 49ers are next so the Giants are likely looking at 0-3.



Niners are BADLY beat up.

No bosa, kittle vanged up. Mostert hurt

If mullens has to start its a winnable game
RE: RE: RE: Fuck your moral victories.  
Toth029 : 9/20/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14978593 Route 9 said:
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We've been down this road many times where the division stinks but those less shitty teams set things straight against the Giants.

They're probably better, but expectations are much higher for those teams. Giants are rebuilding.
I just hope Gettleman doesn't trade precious draft capital in a wasted  
Anakim : 9/20/2020 4:14 pm : link
season like he did last year
You can make progress without winning games  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/20/2020 4:14 pm : link
Obviously we all want the to win, but they are making progress IMHO. It is about getting better. We still have a ways to go.
Sick of moral victories.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 9/20/2020 4:15 pm : link
A loss is a loss.So many issues beyond personnel here. Schemes outright sucked. I see no growth so far from DJ.I have been a big supporter but he either locks onto his #1 or tries to thread the needle into tight spaces which gets him in trouble. On the defensive side, what happened to the pass rush that seemingly put good pressure last week on Big Ben. They should have blitzed the shit out of Trubisky. And don't get me started on the ridiculous play with 8 seconds for 4 yards instead of taking a shot into the end zone. No moral victories today.
RE: Wow lots of unrealistic around here today.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14978605 Johnny5 said:
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.


The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
baby steps  
fkap : 9/20/2020 4:15 pm : link
today we had reason to watch the 4th qtr of a game.

another 5 or 6 yrs we'll have a reason to watch the 4th qtr of a season.
RE: I just hope Gettleman doesn't trade precious draft capital in a wasted  
Jim in Tampa : 9/20/2020 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14978614 Anakim said:
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season like he did last year

Trade Down! Trade Down! Trade Down!
RE: RE: Wow lots of unrealistic around here today.  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2020 4:16 pm : link
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.

Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Looking at the schedule  
darren in pdx : 9/20/2020 4:17 pm : link
it's hard to imagine what month they'll win a game. Had a chance at the end but two poor turnovers were the deciding outcome yet again..
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Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2020 4:17 pm : link
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...


Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.
Giants have played 2 of the top lets say 5 D's so far  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2020 4:17 pm : link
The OL was way better, Jones was better, the defense gave up 14 total pts, and we outscored them 14-0 in the 2nd half.

Hell yes this is promising. Who the hell thought we would be a SB contender this year anyway? Most of the predictions were like 7-9, 6-10. 8-8 was said to be a good season.

Well I definitely can see 8-8 now, even without Barkley. Put in Gallman, get Freeman or someone else, whatever.

This is good
Why do we have to keep reading about Gettleman not having done his job  
csh2z : 9/20/2020 4:18 pm : link
It's only game 2. Give this team time to work together for more than 4 weeks before anybody gets judged by a bunch of winey couch potatoes. We won't know how good or bad these guys are until much later in the year. This season is going to have it's ups and downs. We're not going to win the Super bowl this year! Get over it! Enjoy the games, they're playing competitively!
Was I the only one  
Knineteen : 9/20/2020 4:19 pm : link
who thought that last 4th and 1 should have been 1st down?

Or there should have been offsetting PI penalties on the last play?
Giant fans: Moral victories suck  
Waldo Jeffers : 9/20/2020 4:19 pm : link
Unless the moral is "at least I'm not a Jets fan."
Oh and by the way we are tied for second still in the division  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2020 4:19 pm : link
probably 1 game out of first.

Everyone knew the 1st half was for building. This game made me more hopeful, not less
RE: Wow lots of unrealistic around here today.  
Fritz : 9/20/2020 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14978605 Johnny5 said:
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.

If you are thinking we are going to go out looking sharp and crisp under those circumstances, against established teams.... guess what? This team was in the game against another top ten defense (YES the Bears were a top 10 defense last year and basically returned EVERYONE) with a chance to win up to the last play of the game.


I don’t have big expectations for this team either. Anyone who expected much isn’t dealing with reality but I get it that people are frustrated. I’m actually happy that I didn’t have to spend money for my season tickets this year. The constant losing with no real signs that a turnaround is close takes a toll on people’s patience. I totally get it that fans are angry.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Fuck your moral victories.  
Matt M. : 9/20/2020 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14978609 Toth029 said:
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We've been down this road many times where the division stinks but those less shitty teams set things straight against the Giants.


They're probably better, but expectations are much higher for those teams. Giants are rebuilding.
Giants have been rebuilding for 5 years.
I like  
Mark from Jersey : 9/20/2020 4:21 pm : link
The fight in this team but the lack of talent is obvious.

Leonard Williams is not worth the money.

OL showed big improvement.

Jones still a turnover machine.

Slayton shut down today. Chicago has some talent in their secondary.

That 57 yard miss though a long shot hurt us.
RE: Giant fans: Moral victories suck  
Anakim : 9/20/2020 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14978642 Waldo Jeffers said:
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Unless the moral is "at least I'm not a Jets fan."


The Jets are a disaster, but we've been worse than them the last few years. We've been the worst team in the NFL.
I was hoping year 5781  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/20/2020 4:21 pm : link
Would be better
I  
AcidTest : 9/20/2020 4:21 pm : link
thought we were a five win team with Barkley. Now, I don't know. Two tough losses. I know there are no moral victories, but we were extremely competitive in both, and against two very good defensive fronts. The team is playing hard.

Jones has basically nothing to work with, especially if Shepard is also out. Teams will double Slayton all year, look to take away Engram, and live with everyone else and whatever they do.

On defense, we still have no edge pass rush.

It's going to be a long year, but the team is more cohesive.
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Johnny5 : 9/20/2020 4:22 pm : link
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.

Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.
RE: I just hope Gettleman doesn't trade precious draft capital in a wasted  
Fritz : 9/20/2020 4:22 pm : link
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season like he did last year


Totally agree. They’re not winning anything this year. Don’t give away draft picks
Ball on the 15 with ten seconds left  
M.S. : 9/20/2020 4:23 pm : link

That means two shots into the end zone.

Why the fuck did Daniel Jones complete a 5-yard pass to the 10 yard line burning six seconds.

That is a huge fucking mistake.

RE: Giants have played 2 of the top lets say 5 D's so far  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/20/2020 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14978634 PatersonPlank said:
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The OL was way better, Jones was better, the defense gave up 14 total pts, and we outscored them 14-0 in the 2nd half.

Hell yes this is promising. Who the hell thought we would be a SB contender this year anyway? Most of the predictions were like 7-9, 6-10. 8-8 was said to be a good season.

Well I definitely can see 8-8 now, even without Barkley. Put in Gallman, get Freeman or someone else, whatever.

This is good


I agree. The OL made some nice strides today. The lack of pass rush may be the achilles but they have a chance in the division. Philly has big OL issues and age. McCarthy may be 0-2 and probably scheduling massages already. Washington has a nice front but after that...
Acidtest  
XBRONX : 9/20/2020 4:25 pm : link
Does Vegas have an over/under line on moral victories?
The OL played much better in the second half  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2020 4:25 pm : link
I'll give them that much.

That first half was so very, very bad though. The defense was OK in the second half but still couldn't get any three and outs, allowing Chicago to burn a lot of clock.

Considering just how poorly they played in the first half, I guess I can understand why some people are so impressed that they made a game of it, but it just seems like we keep seeing the same kind of game over and over again.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2020 4:26 pm : link
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.


Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.


The Redskins absolutely throttled the Eagles with a new coach, new schemes, zero preseason games.

You're acting like it's asking a lot for them to start the game competently. Clearly the second half shows they were capable of looking at least average.
RE: Ball on the 15 with ten seconds left  
Jim in Tampa : 9/20/2020 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14978668 M.S. said:
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That means two shots into the end zone.

Why the fuck did Daniel Jones complete a 5-yard pass to the 10 yard line burning six seconds.

That is a huge fucking mistake.

If the play goes for 2 or 3 more yards, it's not actually that bad of a play.

We also don't know whether or not everything downfield was covered. If it was, you take what you can get I guess.
RE: RE: Showed fight  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2020 4:27 pm : link
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Not a good indictment of DG

Is there ever such a thing as a good indictment?
RE: Fuck your moral victories.  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/20/2020 4:29 pm : link
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0-2.

I’m in this camp. When you’ve lost as much as this team over the past few years...regardless of the players on the roster, there are no moral victories. Absent actual victories, this team will be hiring a new GM and if we’re lucky JJ would survive that change. But that would mean more changes on the personnel side. Or as many have opined another rebuild.
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Johnny5 : 9/20/2020 4:30 pm : link
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.


Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.



The Redskins absolutely throttled the Eagles with a new coach, new schemes, zero preseason games.

You're acting like it's asking a lot for them to start the game competently. Clearly the second half shows they were capable of looking at least average.

Redskins for the most part have a better roster than we do. Look at their front 7, we are not even close. They also have a better and more established OL. And guess what, the Eagles and Cowboys are both 0-2. Anybody who thought under these circumstances that we were going to come out and be some crisp team it's just wishful thinking. I was expecting this, so myabe that's why I am handling it better. Yeah losing sucks but it's going to take some time for this staff and team to find it's identity ESPECIALLY under the circumstances. And they were in both games.
RE: RE: I just hope Gettleman doesn't trade precious draft capital in a wasted  
santacruzom : 9/20/2020 4:30 pm : link
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season like he did last year



Totally agree. They’re not winning anything this year. Don’t give away draft picks


Man, its's unsettling having a ticking time bomb of a GM, always wondering what weird thing he might do.
The first 4 games are virtual pre-season games..  
morrison40 : 9/20/2020 4:32 pm : link
Let’s see how they finish the the last 12 .
RE: RE: Fuck your moral victories.  
Route 9 : 9/20/2020 4:34 pm : link
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0-2. So is Dallas and Philadelphia.


That Dallas part might not be true just yet.
Let's face reality, too  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2020 4:34 pm : link
Bears mistakes are why they even had a chance at the end. Missed a makeable FG in the 4th and dropped a sure TD in the first half, leading to a FG instead. That's seven more points right there.

I mean, yes, it's good that they didn't just give up in the second half, but at some point you have to actually win one of these games.
RE: The OL played much better in the second half  
Matt M. : 9/20/2020 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14978685 Greg from LI said:
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I'll give them that much.

That first half was so very, very bad though. The defense was OK in the second half but still couldn't get any three and outs, allowing Chicago to burn a lot of clock.

Considering just how poorly they played in the first half, I guess I can understand why some people are so impressed that they made a game of it, but it just seems like we keep seeing the same kind of game over and over again.
Very good summary. Sure, they showed some fight and the OL looked a little better in the 2nd half. If that is all we have to take away from games every week, I will not be happy nor optimistic.

I can already see what this site will be. Too many are already repeating ad nauseum that we have a new coach so it's OK. I say bullshit. They hired Judge to instill a no nonsense attitude and to try to start turning things around beginning this year. Does that mean we should expect 10 wins? Hell no. But, it does mean we should not be happy with losses of the same variety with the same overall weaknesses as the last several years. The Bears were winnable game. They had a chance to beat the Steelers. Yet, they came away with 2 losses and lost their best player, likely for the season. Where is the so-called moral victory?
Dallas is going to win this game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2020 4:34 pm : link
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I'm all-in on "immoral" victories.  
Waldo Jeffers : 9/20/2020 4:34 pm : link
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Atlanta  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/20/2020 4:36 pm : link
Is such a stupid team
RE: Another loss.  
black aces : 9/20/2020 4:37 pm : link
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And SF will steamroll us next week.


They have about 12 starters out including Bosa and their QB
RE: Atlanta  
Jim in Tampa : 9/20/2020 4:38 pm : link
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Is such a stupid team

Dumb players and poor coaching. They stood there watching the ball.
So in the "wrong department"  
Route 9 : 9/20/2020 4:38 pm : link
In the Wrong factory we will be filing "Dallas going 0-2."
RE: RE: Another loss.  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2020 4:39 pm : link
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They have about 12 starters out including Bosa and their QB


Even then, they still are going to field a much more talented team than the Giants.
We're 2 years away from being 2 years away  
Kyle_ : 9/20/2020 4:39 pm : link
It's a familiar place to be.
People don’t know what they are watching  
Dave on the UWS : 9/20/2020 4:40 pm : link
Ball on the 15, time MAYBE for 2 plays. Jones HAS to throw it right away to get 2 plays in He took the WiDE open Lewis for 5. Increase the chance e last play would NOT be stopped short. Last play, Engram was mugged at the goal line. No call.
Some of the same people calling out a lack of patience  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2020 4:40 pm : link
seem to be some of the same people who were of the opinion that Pat Shurmur was safe because the team was "hadn't quit".
SF might be beat up  
dlauster : 9/20/2020 4:40 pm : link
But we are spotting them 2 turnovers right off the bat, if our average holds....
The Giants still suck  
rocco8112 : 9/20/2020 4:41 pm : link
At least this game held interest right up until the end. That is the bar for me.

Well that and at least average level defense. Actually had two turnovers on D today. When was the last time that happened?

That 23 yard run after the penalty was a fucking travesty though. All that beef up front but still getting run on.

The Giants lost to a bad team today,  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/20/2020 4:42 pm : link
with an awful and inconsistent QB.

Double meaning fully intended.
RE: So in the  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2020 4:45 pm : link
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In the Wrong factory we will be filing "Dallas going 0-2."

Ha yep I was definitely wrong there.
RE: Some of the same people calling out a lack of patience  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2020 4:46 pm : link
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seem to be some of the same people who were of the opinion that Pat Shurmur was safe because the team was "hadn't quit".

Well I know you are not talking about me there at least. I hated the Shurmur hire from day one... lol
As my favorite all-time coach said  
PhilSimms15 : 9/20/2020 4:48 pm : link
“You are what your record says you are.”

The Giants have the worst record in the league over the past three seasons. It’s hard to feel good about moral victories.
Watching Herbert  
nym172 : 9/20/2020 4:48 pm : link
They Make tons of use of his mobility...we don't with jones...

lots of options, read options, screens, outs, flares...easy plays...we don't do shit for jones on top of no running games and 7 sacks with Fleming being horrible.

He needs to protect the ball and be better with helping his OL with pass protections, but the playcalling needs to be better. Call up Victor off PS, we need some size.
RE: As my favorite all-time coach said  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2020 4:49 pm : link
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“You are what your record says you are.”

The Giants have the worst record in the league over the past three seasons. It’s hard to feel good about moral victories.

Well for my part I didn't say anything about a moral victory. I'm just shocked at what people are expecting based on the circumstances.
Showed fight?  
Giant John : 9/20/2020 4:50 pm : link
How about doing something in the first half and not giving the game away. I have news for you the Bears suck. Can’t be them it’s going to be a long long season.
I am sorry about our running back. That’s a loss to the team. Big question as to whether he will be back to what he was.
RE: I just hope Gettleman doesn't trade precious draft capital in a wasted  
EricJ : 9/20/2020 4:53 pm : link
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season like he did last year


Who cares? Most people here think he wastes the picks when he actually drafts players. So... what does it matter if you (not you specifically) do not think DG drafts well?
RE: Showed fight?  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2020 4:54 pm : link
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How about doing something in the first half and not giving the game away. I have news for you the Bears suck. Can’t be them it’s going to be a long long season.
I am sorry about our running back. That’s a loss to the team. Big question as to whether he will be back to what he was.

The Bears do not suck. They have some talent on the roster especially on defense. Their OL is not terrible, and they had top ten rated defense the last 2 years. 12-4 and 8-8 under Nagy. And the reason they struggled last year was because of Trubisky, who seems to be playing better.
The moral victory folks  
socrates : 9/20/2020 4:56 pm : link
are in for a rude awakening. Let's see if they have a win after 8 games.
RE: Oh and by the way we are tied for second still in the division  
LBH15 : 9/20/2020 4:58 pm : link
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probably 1 game out of first.

Everyone knew the 1st half was for building. This game made me more hopeful, not less


This is my favorite post of the year I think.
RE: Same thing  
Dutch77 : 9/20/2020 4:58 pm : link
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I have been seeing for the last several years.

Agreed!
Needed to win this game..  
Sean : 9/20/2020 5:00 pm : link
The TD they gave up right before the half was inexcusable. Only coming with 3 points twice, especially off the INT was inexcusable.

I like Jones, but where are the points? 16 points last week and 13 today. That is not enough.

0-2 now staring down SF, LAR & DAL. Could easily see 0-5. There’s no spinning this, this team NEVER wins.
Our WRs are slow.  
Clintqb17 : 9/20/2020 5:09 pm : link
It takes too long for them to get down the field. That coupled with a shaky offensive line is a bad combination.
Get Real  
Jeffrey : 9/20/2020 5:11 pm : link
The Bears are not a good team. The Steelers are good but not a powerhouse. The supposed strength of the defense was stopping the run and yet there is no evidence of this as a strength. Very little pass rush. Still hope that Jones will be the guy, but his management of the Lsst few plays was absolutely not impressive. Without Barkley, and with Shepard a constant injury victim this offense may be weaker than the defense.

Too early to expect a DG firing, but it’s already guaranteed to be the highlight of what looks rot be another horrible season.
Off-topic a bit, but  
81_Great_Dane : 9/20/2020 5:14 pm : link
can you imagine what we and all Giants fans would be feeling/thinking/saying if the Jets were good?

It's depressing enough watching this years-long shit show. If the Jets were good, it'd be unbearable .
the fucking ref throws a flag for a flop then Chicago actually commits  
gtt350 : 9/20/2020 5:24 pm : link
PI.
Do people expect Garrett  
CT Charlie : 9/20/2020 5:28 pm : link
to have everything figured out after 20 practices and no preseason games? And then Saquon goes out? For years, we've been talking about our inability to make halftime adjustments, and today we improved on both sides of the ball after the break.
RE: Do people expect Garrett  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/20/2020 5:38 pm : link
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to have everything figured out after 20 practices and no preseason games? And then Saquon goes out? For years, we've been talking about our inability to make halftime adjustments, and today we improved on both sides of the ball after the break.


So should we expect a complete game next week?
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.


Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.

I don't know why this has to be explained repeatedly! They had 14 days of practice in Pads to take in a new Coach, new Scheme, new Playbooks, etc..etc..

And yet with all that against them they have played 2 competitive games against two of the better teams in the NFL
RE: Get Real  
montanagiant : 9/20/2020 5:40 pm : link
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The Bears are not a good team. The Steelers are good but not a powerhouse. The supposed strength of the defense was stopping the run and yet there is no evidence of this as a strength. Very little pass rush. Still hope that Jones will be the guy, but his management of the Lsst few plays was absolutely not impressive. Without Barkley, and with Shepard a constant injury victim this offense may be weaker than the defense.


Too early to expect a DG firing, but it’s already guaranteed to be the highlight of what looks rot be another horrible season.

Steelers are picked by many to get to the SB and the Bears have one of the best D's in the NFL
RE: Sick of moral victories.  
SGMen : 9/20/2020 5:41 pm : link
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A loss is a loss.So many issues beyond personnel here. Schemes outright sucked. I see no growth so far from DJ.I have been a big supporter but he either locks onto his #1 or tries to thread the needle into tight spaces which gets him in trouble. On the defensive side, what happened to the pass rush that seemingly put good pressure last week on Big Ben. They should have blitzed the shit out of Trubisky. And don't get me started on the ridiculous play with 8 seconds for 4 yards instead of taking a shot into the end zone. No moral victories today.
I agree at the end of the game you had two quick shots to the endzone. Bad play calling.
RE: RE: Another loss.  
FStubbs : 9/20/2020 5:45 pm : link
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They have about 12 starters out including Bosa and their QB


And they still have a much better roster.
RE: RE: Showed fight?  
FStubbs : 9/20/2020 5:46 pm : link
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How about doing something in the first half and not giving the game away. I have news for you the Bears suck. Can’t be them it’s going to be a long long season.
I am sorry about our running back. That’s a loss to the team. Big question as to whether he will be back to what he was.


The Bears do not suck. They have some talent on the roster especially on defense. Their OL is not terrible, and they had top ten rated defense the last 2 years. 12-4 and 8-8 under Nagy. And the reason they struggled last year was because of Trubisky, who seems to be playing better.


Trubisky stunk last week and will stink going forward. The Giants are just so bad they make him look good.
The fact we're even in these games  
Giant4Life : 9/20/2020 6:03 pm : link
Given the lousy talent on this team is a testament to Joe Judge and the coaching staff. We aren't committing a lot of penalties and we seem to be in a position to make a play, we just don't make it. That's on the GM. We need an infusion of talent, and Gettleman isn't up to the task. I say can him at the end of the season and promote Judge to HC/GM. He couldn't be worse than our last two GMs.
Is it too early to say I’ve seen enough Of Ballentine?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/20/2020 6:05 pm : link
I’ve definitely seen enough Patrick Graham 3 man rushes to last a lifetime.

This game was depressing to watch, then they decided to make it close enough to have a chance for a final kick in the balls. This is just a bad fucking football team that really doesn’t look much different than last season. I hope we can see gradual improvement like the Dolphins last season. That’s pretty much all we have at this point. I’m looking forward to Sy’s recap because I need to know if people were open and Jones was missing them or if the entire thing was a disaster. Few things say Giants football this decade quite like allowing a 23 yard run on 1st & 25.

Sorry for Quads. Get better brother.
Each new coach and system  
crick n NC : 9/20/2020 6:17 pm : link
Takes patience regardless. Then add in a rookie coach. Just because people don't think they should have to be patient because of how poor the team has been doesn't mean there won't be required time for new coaches, new players, new schemes, and no preseason to see what we have going forward.
Don’t even know where to start with this team  
WillVAB : 9/20/2020 6:21 pm : link
The guys brought in to be impact players simply aren’t.

Very little to be comfortable with on this roster moving forward.
Sick of the losing  
DavidinBMNY : 9/20/2020 6:26 pm : link
It just grows old. Biggest thing for them is Jones has to stop with the turnovers or be replaced next year.

RE: RE: Get Real  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/20/2020 6:47 pm : link
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The Bears are not a good team. The Steelers are good but not a powerhouse. The supposed strength of the defense was stopping the run and yet there is no evidence of this as a strength. Very little pass rush. Still hope that Jones will be the guy, but his management of the Lsst few plays was absolutely not impressive. Without Barkley, and with Shepard a constant injury victim this offense may be weaker than the defense.


Too early to expect a DG firing, but it’s already guaranteed to be the highlight of what looks rot be another horrible season.


Steelers are picked by many to get to the SB and the Bears have one of the best D's in the NFL



Stop. The Bears are going to fight it out with Detroit for second place in that division and the Steelers are no where near the Ravens, much less the Chiefs. They’re both better than the Giants but big whoop.

This is a bad team with very little talent. Name a player that would play elsewhere from the back 7.

The losing will continue until more talent gets added, and the people currently in charge are responsible for the current talent, so don’t hold out hope.
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/20/2020 6:50 pm : link
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How about Bradberry and Ryan? Blake Martinez?
RE: Huh??  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/20/2020 6:58 pm : link
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This is a bad team with very little talent. Name a player that would play elsewhere from the back 7.



How about Bradberry and Ryan? Blake Martinez?


Bradbury maybe. Did Martinez look good today? When the Bears wanted to run, they did.

Neither are superstars and both were FA. WHOOPTY WHOOP.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Wow lots of unrealistic around here today.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2020 7:16 pm : link
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.


Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.


I don't know why this has to be explained repeatedly! They had 14 days of practice in Pads to take in a new Coach, new Scheme, new Playbooks, etc..etc..

And yet with all that against them they have played 2 competitive games against two of the better teams in the NFL


Even the head coach doesn't agree with this sentiment. Fans are just a lot more willing to make excuses.
The Bears last drive  
Ike#88 : 9/20/2020 7:16 pm : link
they ran the ball down our throats. Same as the the last how many years we could not get a stop on defense early to give our offense more time. Had to use all our timeouts while they controlled the ball. Williams is a big person but no threat in the pass rush and in containment. Just slow. F DG for this. He never heard Ernie A say you can never have enough pass rushers? We have D tackles who can't stop the run when it counts. We have no pass rushers the other team has to plan for. We still have no quality linebackers. On our last drive why do we not throw the ball into the end zone once we are inside the 20? Eli did this his last 3 years as well. Dink and dunk but no score at the end.
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.


Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.


I don't know why this has to be explained repeatedly! They had 14 days of practice in Pads to take in a new Coach, new Scheme, new Playbooks, etc..etc..

And yet with all that against them they have played 2 competitive games against two of the better teams in the NFL



Even the head coach doesn't agree with this sentiment. Fans are just a lot more willing to make excuses.


There is a difference between reasons and excuses.
RE: The Bears last drive  
Angel Eyes : 9/20/2020 7:33 pm : link
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they ran the ball down our throats. Same as the the last how many years we could not get a stop on defense early to give our offense more time. Had to use all our timeouts while they controlled the ball. Williams is a big person but no threat in the pass rush and in containment. Just slow. F DG for this. He never heard Ernie A say you can never have enough pass rushers? We have D tackles who can't stop the run when it counts. We have no pass rushers the other team has to plan for. We still have no quality linebackers. On our last drive why do we not throw the ball into the end zone once we are inside the 20? Eli did this his last 3 years as well. Dink and dunk but no score at the end.

He must have not gotten the memo about the pass rushers despite being working with the Giants when Accorsi was GM; we've never gone anywhere without pass rushers, way back to the 1950s and 1960s teams that challenged the Baltimore Colts and the Green Bay Packers, the Big Blue Wrecking Crew of the 1980s, and the two Super Bowl teams with Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning.
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.


Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.


I don't know why this has to be explained repeatedly! They had 14 days of practice in Pads to take in a new Coach, new Scheme, new Playbooks, etc..etc..

And yet with all that against them they have played 2 competitive games against two of the better teams in the NFL



Even the head coach doesn't agree with this sentiment. Fans are just a lot more willing to make excuses.

Yeah, the new HC should make excuses regarding this because that's a smart look even though basic common sense knows it's an issue. Give me a break.
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.


Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.


I don't know why this has to be explained repeatedly! They had 14 days of practice in Pads to take in a new Coach, new Scheme, new Playbooks, etc..etc..

And yet with all that against them they have played 2 competitive games against two of the better teams in the NFL



Even the head coach doesn't agree with this sentiment. Fans are just a lot more willing to make excuses.



There is a difference between reasons and excuses.


There is no legitimate "reason" for them to come out of the gate as embarrassingly as they did. Case in point, the coach lights into them at half time and they end up playing a consistent 30 minutes.
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Angel Eyes : 9/20/2020 7:57 pm : link
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.


Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.


I don't know why this has to be explained repeatedly! They had 14 days of practice in Pads to take in a new Coach, new Scheme, new Playbooks, etc..etc..

And yet with all that against them they have played 2 competitive games against two of the better teams in the NFL



Even the head coach doesn't agree with this sentiment. Fans are just a lot more willing to make excuses.



There is a difference between reasons and excuses.



There is no legitimate "reason" for them to come out of the gate as embarrassingly as they did. Case in point, the coach lights into them at half time and they end up playing a consistent 30 minutes.

Both games have shown that we can play a half. Of course the real trick is having enough for a whole game.
The Giants lack top end talent on both sides of the ball  
SGMen : 9/20/2020 8:29 pm : link
I do believe we have some good young players. I do believe we will improve as the season moves along even without Barkley.

However, I'd be lying if I didn't say I am a tad worried about D. Jones after two games due to his penchant for turnovers. Sure, it is a new system and perhaps he is trying to make something out of little or nothing, but turnovers in the NFL are coach killers and of course lead to LOSSES.

I believe SF is up next and they have injuries. We shall see if we are learning and improving this coming week or not.
I wasn't for drafting Barkley, but holy shit,  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/20/2020 8:33 pm : link
I feel awful for him. Second year in a row where he will miss significant time (obviously much more time this year). This franchise has absolutely, positively no luck whatsoever and it's been that way since the Hurricane Sandy game against the Steelers in 2012. What a windfall. I'm pretty much speechless at this point. Not angry, not sad, just numb at this point. And then to actually play better in the 2nd half without Barkley and Shep, and then to just lose in soul-crushing fashion. Good grief.
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.



The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.


Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...



Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.


Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.


I don't know why this has to be explained repeatedly! They had 14 days of practice in Pads to take in a new Coach, new Scheme, new Playbooks, etc..etc..

And yet with all that against them they have played 2 competitive games against two of the better teams in the NFL



Even the head coach doesn't agree with this sentiment. Fans are just a lot more willing to make excuses.



There is a difference between reasons and excuses.



There is no legitimate "reason" for them to come out of the gate as embarrassingly as they did. Case in point, the coach lights into them at half time and they end up playing a consistent 30 minutes.


In my opinion your view is too simplistic, but maybe you're right.
These games take a lot out of me  
Chris684 : 9/20/2020 9:18 pm : link
even with tempered expectations.

The 4th down "should have been" stop late in the 4th quarter where the ball bounced right into Massie's waiting arms for a fluke 1st down has been in line with our luck these last few years.

2 years in a row Barkley's season get destroyed after he was awesome as a rookie.

If there's anything I can say it's that the 49ers game is winnable if their guys who are banged up can't play.
Today was a disaster.  
George from PA : 9/20/2020 9:30 pm : link
We played a team that the Giants could have beaten .....and did not show up in the first half.

Lost their best player for the season.

Their QB played with ALL their weapons for the 1st time...for roughly 19min.
All he showed for it was the same mistakeshe....fumbles and an INT!...which is now pretty consistent in year 2.

When a comeback looked possible, they gave up a QB run of 12 yds, another long run and a 24 yd run....

This team does not know how to win.

Coaches seem sound....but results are the same....

I am sick of the losing
RE: The Bears last drive  
mittenedman : 9/20/2020 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14979197 Ike#88 said:
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they ran the ball down our throats. Same as the the last how many years we could not get a stop on defense early to give our offense more time. Had to use all our timeouts while they controlled the ball. Williams is a big person but no threat in the pass rush and in containment. Just slow. F DG for this. He never heard Ernie A say you can never have enough pass rushers? We have D tackles who can't stop the run when it counts. We have no pass rushers the other team has to plan for. We still have no quality linebackers. On our last drive why do we not throw the ball into the end zone once we are inside the 20? Eli did this his last 3 years as well. Dink and dunk but no score at the end.


That's what I was saying as well. We spend all our resources at DT and we get blown off the ball right up the gut like candy asses. Until proven otherwise these guys up front are bums. You gotta do it when it matters.
Run D looked gassed in the 4th Quarter.....  
Simms11 : 9/20/2020 9:43 pm : link
Bears running there killed the Giants. Tomlinson looked like he was on skates! He was not good on the last drive.

I also think our LBer play, with exception of Martinez has been subpar. In the 3-4 you have to have solid LBers. Its been ignored since we've become a 3-4. For as good as Golden was last year, he hasn't done crap this year so far!
RE: Run D looked gassed in the 4th Quarter.....  
nygiants16 : 9/20/2020 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14979501 Simms11 said:
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Bears running there killed the Giants. Tomlinson looked like he was on skates! He was not good on the last drive.

I also think our LBer play, with exception of Martinez has been subpar. In the 3-4 you have to have solid LBers. Its been ignored since we've become a 3-4. For as good as Golden was last year, he hasn't done crap this year so far!


theybdidnt have williams and lawrence in on those first 2 plays where the bears had the 2 big runs...put them back in and they stuffed the run
RE: The Bears last drive  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/20/2020 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14979197 Ike#88 said:
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they ran the ball down our throats. Same as the the last how many years we could not get a stop on defense early to give our offense more time. Had to use all our timeouts while they controlled the ball. Williams is a big person but no threat in the pass rush and in containment. Just slow. F DG for this. He never heard Ernie A say you can never have enough pass rushers? We have D tackles who can't stop the run when it counts. We have no pass rushers the other team has to plan for. We still have no quality linebackers. On our last drive why do we not throw the ball into the end zone once we are inside the 20? Eli did this his last 3 years as well. Dink and dunk but no score at the end.


That's a great rant and all, but seems strange on who gets singled out here. Williams had a very good game today and was actually not on the field for two of the runs in the last drive.

No quality LB's?? The LB play has been a lot better in the first two games. Blake Martinez has been very good. Fackrell made a couple really good plays.
RE: Today was a disaster.  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/20/2020 10:41 pm : link
In comment 14979483 George from PA said:
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We played a team that the Giants could have beaten .....and did not show up in the first half.

Lost their best player for the season.

Their QB played with ALL their weapons for the 1st time...for roughly 19min.
All he showed for it was the same mistakeshe....fumbles and an INT!...which is now pretty consistent in year 2.

When a comeback looked possible, they gave up a QB run of 12 yds, another long run and a 24 yd run....

This team does not know how to win.

Coaches seem sound....but results are the same....

I am sick of the losing


I think it's a misnomer to say our receiving corp are weapons. Even when healthy, SB is the only player that opponents are concerned with. Slayton hopefully will continue to grow and become just that, but the rest of the corp are not legit threats.
The first half sucked but the most  
St. Jimmy : 9/20/2020 10:48 pm : link
disappointing part of the game was Chicago's last drive. The Giants have devoted tons of resources to stopping the run and Chicago runs off 5:41 off the clock breaking off runs at almost 10 yards a carry.
This game told me a few things  
ryanmkeane : 9/20/2020 10:52 pm : link
and I’ll start with the negatives.

1. It seems Jones is really intent on keeping a play alive until he either throws it or fumbles. It’s awesome that he’s a gamer and can stay in the pocket, but Jesus, after 4 seconds, you gotta get outta there. That fumble was just not ideal when it comes to pocket presence, he’s got the ball just hanging down there ready to be knocked away. That shit has to stop, now.

2. The lack of a legitimate pass rush is really getting old. And I’m not saying that it’s actually horrible thus far cause it has been alright, it looks improved. But, for about 3 years now, we have seen time and time again these opposing QBs just extend plays and drives where other teams can get off the field on third down because of a pass rush that we simply don’t seem to have. I just don’t get it. It’s just brutal watching guys like Mitch Trubisky run around back there. This needs to be priority #1 in the offseason, get some fucking edge rushers.

3. We seem to be a team that just can’t make a play. Whether it’s on offense or defense, it just always seems to fall short. And I’m not entirely sure if this is just because we don’t have the talent or because we aren’t lucky or whatever, it just doesn’t seem to happen for us and it’s been that way for a long time now. And until that changes, we are going to keep losing.

Now for some positives....

1. Our defense seems to be a lot tougher and a lot more sound. Tackling is a lot better, coverage is way better, linebacker play is like a thousand times better, and if we start to play more like we did for the entire second half, we might have the beginning of a really nice unit. I don’t have many issues with Graham so far, I think he’s done a pretty good job with what we have.

2. Andrew Thomas looks legit. There’s been a few plays where he’s gotten mixed up, but for the most part, dude looks like he’s gonna be a stalwart there and that’s probably the most important thing to this aside from Jones.

That’s about all I got. Hopefully we can take advantage of the niners injuries and get a win.
I liked shurmer and he got railroaded in my opinion  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/20/2020 11:01 pm : link
I have no sympathy for judge or gettlemen.
RE: I liked shurmer and he got railroaded in my opinion  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/20/2020 11:04 pm : link
In comment 14979590 MartyNJ1969 said:
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I have no sympathy for judge or gettlemen.


What the fuck??

What has Judge done wrong for you?
RE: RE: I liked shurmer and he got railroaded in my opinion  
PetesHereNow : 9/20/2020 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14979594 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14979590 MartyNJ1969 said:


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I have no sympathy for judge or gettlemen.



What the fuck??

What has Judge done wrong for you?


That’s RichHouston, the Eagle dragging troll. Same writing style.
First down  
VinegarPeppers : 9/20/2020 11:18 pm : link
When the opposing center catches a first down pass you know you’re pretty much done.
Shirmer was a seasoned veteran coach that got axed real quick along  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/20/2020 11:25 pm : link
With his staff. I thought if he had another year je could have shown more progress wiith the team in terms of wins then a new coach like judge. We are stuck with judge now even if we go 0-16 because firing judge would mean we are paying two ex coaches a salary
one thing that doesn’t change is the intellectual content of posts  
plato : 9/20/2020 11:50 pm : link
after a Giant loss. It’s to the point where reading them, almost makes up for losing from humorous amazement at the impatience, poor reality testing, and general mid understanding displayed.
Gettleman needs to go sooner than later  
Blue Dream : 9/21/2020 12:43 am : link
Before he makes another Williams like trade to try and save his job and further fuck us for the future
RE: one thing that doesn’t change is the intellectual content of posts  
madeinstars : 9/21/2020 2:10 am : link
In comment 14979638 plato said:
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after a Giant loss. It’s to the point where reading them, almost makes up for losing from humorous amazement at the impatience, poor reality testing, and general mid understanding displayed.


Not that this post is much better.

I'd honestly be more concerned about an organization that can not get it right for 9 seasons straight and has been the actual worst for the last 5 than a couple of slight overreactions on an online football forum.
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