Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.
Giants have played 2 of the top lets say 5 D's so far
The OL was way better, Jones was better, the defense gave up 14 total pts, and we outscored them 14-0 in the 2nd half.
Hell yes this is promising. Who the hell thought we would be a SB contender this year anyway? Most of the predictions were like 7-9, 6-10. 8-8 was said to be a good season.
Well I definitely can see 8-8 now, even without Barkley. Put in Gallman, get Freeman or someone else, whatever.
This is good
Why do we have to keep reading about Gettleman not having done his job
It's only game 2. Give this team time to work together for more than 4 weeks before anybody gets judged by a bunch of winey couch potatoes. We won't know how good or bad these guys are until much later in the year. This season is going to have it's ups and downs. We're not going to win the Super bowl this year! Get over it! Enjoy the games, they're playing competitively!
Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
If you are thinking we are going to go out looking sharp and crisp under those circumstances, against established teams.... guess what? This team was in the game against another top ten defense (YES the Bears were a top 10 defense last year and basically returned EVERYONE) with a chance to win up to the last play of the game.
I don’t have big expectations for this team either. Anyone who expected much isn’t dealing with reality but I get it that people are frustrated. I’m actually happy that I didn’t have to spend money for my season tickets this year. The constant losing with no real signs that a turnaround is close takes a toll on people’s patience. I totally get it that fans are angry.
thought we were a five win team with Barkley. Now, I don't know. Two tough losses. I know there are no moral victories, but we were extremely competitive in both, and against two very good defensive fronts. The team is playing hard.
Jones has basically nothing to work with, especially if Shepard is also out. Teams will double Slayton all year, look to take away Engram, and live with everyone else and whatever they do.
On defense, we still have no edge pass rush.
It's going to be a long year, but the team is more cohesive.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Wow lots of unrealistic around here today.
Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.
Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.
RE: I just hope Gettleman doesn't trade precious draft capital in a wasted
The OL was way better, Jones was better, the defense gave up 14 total pts, and we outscored them 14-0 in the 2nd half.
Hell yes this is promising. Who the hell thought we would be a SB contender this year anyway? Most of the predictions were like 7-9, 6-10. 8-8 was said to be a good season.
Well I definitely can see 8-8 now, even without Barkley. Put in Gallman, get Freeman or someone else, whatever.
This is good
I agree. The OL made some nice strides today. The lack of pass rush may be the achilles but they have a chance in the division. Philly has big OL issues and age. McCarthy may be 0-2 and probably scheduling massages already. Washington has a nice front but after that...
That first half was so very, very bad though. The defense was OK in the second half but still couldn't get any three and outs, allowing Chicago to burn a lot of clock.
Considering just how poorly they played in the first half, I guess I can understand why some people are so impressed that they made a game of it, but it just seems like we keep seeing the same kind of game over and over again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Wow lots of unrealistic around here today.
Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.
Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.
The Redskins absolutely throttled the Eagles with a new coach, new schemes, zero preseason games.
You're acting like it's asking a lot for them to start the game competently. Clearly the second half shows they were capable of looking at least average.
I’m in this camp. When you’ve lost as much as this team over the past few years...regardless of the players on the roster, there are no moral victories. Absent actual victories, this team will be hiring a new GM and if we’re lucky JJ would survive that change. But that would mean more changes on the personnel side. Or as many have opined another rebuild.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Wow lots of unrealistic around here today.
Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.
Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.
The Redskins absolutely throttled the Eagles with a new coach, new schemes, zero preseason games.
You're acting like it's asking a lot for them to start the game competently. Clearly the second half shows they were capable of looking at least average.
Redskins for the most part have a better roster than we do. Look at their front 7, we are not even close. They also have a better and more established OL. And guess what, the Eagles and Cowboys are both 0-2. Anybody who thought under these circumstances that we were going to come out and be some crisp team it's just wishful thinking. I was expecting this, so myabe that's why I am handling it better. Yeah losing sucks but it's going to take some time for this staff and team to find it's identity ESPECIALLY under the circumstances. And they were in both games.
RE: RE: I just hope Gettleman doesn't trade precious draft capital in a wasted
Bears mistakes are why they even had a chance at the end. Missed a makeable FG in the 4th and dropped a sure TD in the first half, leading to a FG instead. That's seven more points right there.
I mean, yes, it's good that they didn't just give up in the second half, but at some point you have to actually win one of these games.
That first half was so very, very bad though. The defense was OK in the second half but still couldn't get any three and outs, allowing Chicago to burn a lot of clock.
Considering just how poorly they played in the first half, I guess I can understand why some people are so impressed that they made a game of it, but it just seems like we keep seeing the same kind of game over and over again.
Very good summary. Sure, they showed some fight and the OL looked a little better in the 2nd half. If that is all we have to take away from games every week, I will not be happy nor optimistic.
I can already see what this site will be. Too many are already repeating ad nauseum that we have a new coach so it's OK. I say bullshit. They hired Judge to instill a no nonsense attitude and to try to start turning things around beginning this year. Does that mean we should expect 10 wins? Hell no. But, it does mean we should not be happy with losses of the same variety with the same overall weaknesses as the last several years. The Bears were winnable game. They had a chance to beat the Steelers. Yet, they came away with 2 losses and lost their best player, likely for the season. Where is the so-called moral victory?
Ball on the 15, time MAYBE for 2 plays. Jones HAS to throw it right away to get 2 plays in He took the WiDE open Lewis for 5. Increase the chance e last play would NOT be stopped short. Last play, Engram was mugged at the goal line. No call.
Some of the same people calling out a lack of patience
They Make tons of use of his mobility...we don't with jones...
lots of options, read options, screens, outs, flares...easy plays...we don't do shit for jones on top of no running games and 7 sacks with Fleming being horrible.
He needs to protect the ball and be better with helping his OL with pass protections, but the playcalling needs to be better. Call up Victor off PS, we need some size.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
another 5 or 6 yrs we'll have a reason to watch the 4th qtr of a season.
Trade Down! Trade Down! Trade Down!
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.
Hell yes this is promising. Who the hell thought we would be a SB contender this year anyway? Most of the predictions were like 7-9, 6-10. 8-8 was said to be a good season.
Well I definitely can see 8-8 now, even without Barkley. Put in Gallman, get Freeman or someone else, whatever.
This is good
Or there should have been offsetting PI penalties on the last play?
Everyone knew the 1st half was for building. This game made me more hopeful, not less
If you are thinking we are going to go out looking sharp and crisp under those circumstances, against established teams.... guess what? This team was in the game against another top ten defense (YES the Bears were a top 10 defense last year and basically returned EVERYONE) with a chance to win up to the last play of the game.
I don’t have big expectations for this team either. Anyone who expected much isn’t dealing with reality but I get it that people are frustrated. I’m actually happy that I didn’t have to spend money for my season tickets this year. The constant losing with no real signs that a turnaround is close takes a toll on people’s patience. I totally get it that fans are angry.
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We've been down this road many times where the division stinks but those less shitty teams set things straight against the Giants.
They're probably better, but expectations are much higher for those teams. Giants are rebuilding.
Leonard Williams is not worth the money.
OL showed big improvement.
Jones still a turnover machine.
Slayton shut down today. Chicago has some talent in their secondary.
That 57 yard miss though a long shot hurt us.
The Jets are a disaster, but we've been worse than them the last few years. We've been the worst team in the NFL.
Jones has basically nothing to work with, especially if Shepard is also out. Teams will double Slayton all year, look to take away Engram, and live with everyone else and whatever they do.
On defense, we still have no edge pass rush.
It's going to be a long year, but the team is more cohesive.
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.
Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.
Totally agree. They’re not winning anything this year. Don’t give away draft picks
That means two shots into the end zone.
Why the fuck did Daniel Jones complete a 5-yard pass to the 10 yard line burning six seconds.
That is a huge fucking mistake.
Hell yes this is promising. Who the hell thought we would be a SB contender this year anyway? Most of the predictions were like 7-9, 6-10. 8-8 was said to be a good season.
Well I definitely can see 8-8 now, even without Barkley. Put in Gallman, get Freeman or someone else, whatever.
This is good
I agree. The OL made some nice strides today. The lack of pass rush may be the achilles but they have a chance in the division. Philly has big OL issues and age. McCarthy may be 0-2 and probably scheduling massages already. Washington has a nice front but after that...
That first half was so very, very bad though. The defense was OK in the second half but still couldn't get any three and outs, allowing Chicago to burn a lot of clock.
Considering just how poorly they played in the first half, I guess I can understand why some people are so impressed that they made a game of it, but it just seems like we keep seeing the same kind of game over and over again.
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.
Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.
The Redskins absolutely throttled the Eagles with a new coach, new schemes, zero preseason games.
You're acting like it's asking a lot for them to start the game competently. Clearly the second half shows they were capable of looking at least average.
That means two shots into the end zone.
Why the fuck did Daniel Jones complete a 5-yard pass to the 10 yard line burning six seconds.
That is a huge fucking mistake.
If the play goes for 2 or 3 more yards, it's not actually that bad of a play.
We also don't know whether or not everything downfield was covered. If it was, you take what you can get I guess.
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Not a good indictment of DG
Is there ever such a thing as a good indictment?
I’m in this camp. When you’ve lost as much as this team over the past few years...regardless of the players on the roster, there are no moral victories. Absent actual victories, this team will be hiring a new GM and if we’re lucky JJ would survive that change. But that would mean more changes on the personnel side. Or as many have opined another rebuild.
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Honestly I think people are insane with what they are expecting out of this team with a new staff a new set of schemes and a ton of new faces. Especially on the OL. And with basically NO PRESEASON.
The first half of this game wasn't even professional football. If you are okay with that, your judgement needs adjusting.
Who said I'm OK with it? But if you are expecting different against established programs, I mean come on...
Everyone should expect them to at least appear prepared to play. That's crazy that you wouldn't.
Dude. A new coach. New schemes. ZERO preseason games. This is basically our preseason. Against established teams with very good defenses. Honestly I just don't know what else to say.
The Redskins absolutely throttled the Eagles with a new coach, new schemes, zero preseason games.
You're acting like it's asking a lot for them to start the game competently. Clearly the second half shows they were capable of looking at least average.
Redskins for the most part have a better roster than we do. Look at their front 7, we are not even close. They also have a better and more established OL. And guess what, the Eagles and Cowboys are both 0-2. Anybody who thought under these circumstances that we were going to come out and be some crisp team it's just wishful thinking. I was expecting this, so myabe that's why I am handling it better. Yeah losing sucks but it's going to take some time for this staff and team to find it's identity ESPECIALLY under the circumstances. And they were in both games.
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Totally agree. They’re not winning anything this year. Don’t give away draft picks
Man, its's unsettling having a ticking time bomb of a GM, always wondering what weird thing he might do.
That Dallas part might not be true just yet.
I mean, yes, it's good that they didn't just give up in the second half, but at some point you have to actually win one of these games.
That first half was so very, very bad though. The defense was OK in the second half but still couldn't get any three and outs, allowing Chicago to burn a lot of clock.
Considering just how poorly they played in the first half, I guess I can understand why some people are so impressed that they made a game of it, but it just seems like we keep seeing the same kind of game over and over again.
I can already see what this site will be. Too many are already repeating ad nauseum that we have a new coach so it's OK. I say bullshit. They hired Judge to instill a no nonsense attitude and to try to start turning things around beginning this year. Does that mean we should expect 10 wins? Hell no. But, it does mean we should not be happy with losses of the same variety with the same overall weaknesses as the last several years. The Bears were winnable game. They had a chance to beat the Steelers. Yet, they came away with 2 losses and lost their best player, likely for the season. Where is the so-called moral victory?
They have about 12 starters out including Bosa and their QB
Dumb players and poor coaching. They stood there watching the ball.
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And SF will steamroll us next week.
They have about 12 starters out including Bosa and their QB
Even then, they still are going to field a much more talented team than the Giants.
Well that and at least average level defense. Actually had two turnovers on D today. When was the last time that happened?
That 23 yard run after the penalty was a fucking travesty though. All that beef up front but still getting run on.
Double meaning fully intended.
Ha yep I was definitely wrong there.
Well I know you are not talking about me there at least. I hated the Shurmur hire from day one... lol
The Giants have the worst record in the league over the past three seasons. It’s hard to feel good about moral victories.
lots of options, read options, screens, outs, flares...easy plays...we don't do shit for jones on top of no running games and 7 sacks with Fleming being horrible.
He needs to protect the ball and be better with helping his OL with pass protections, but the playcalling needs to be better. Call up Victor off PS, we need some size.