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Dave Gettleman's overall record as Giants General Manager.

Affirmation : 9/20/2020 4:34 pm
This is completely indefensible.
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He's gone  
Spider43 : 9/20/2020 4:35 pm : link
But we have to suffer through this season before we see it happen.
We are 50 games in now  
chuckydee9 : 9/20/2020 4:41 pm : link
Plus he started makingmajor personnel changes really fast.. So there is no way that you can't blame the current mess and the mess last year on him.. This is his team with his players..
Yep  
mdthedream : 9/20/2020 4:43 pm : link
he sucks and needs to go.
In the Game Thread  
Blue The Dog : 9/20/2020 4:43 pm : link
Everyone is talking about how the issue that we just don't have the talent. (We shouldn't need that much talent to beat the Mitch Trubisky led Bears)

If this is what everyone agrees on, then this falls squarely on Gettleman. There are only 4 players here not brought in by him. Its been 3 years. There should be some results on the field at this point.
Umm does he coach  
Dave on the UWS : 9/20/2020 4:43 pm : link
the team? I must have missed something here. You guys realize, that if they fire him, the new GM will want his own coach, own QB and we get to start ALL over again. The 70s all over again!
I vote for staying the coarse and let this coaching staff work.
Can’t happen fast enough  
Dutch77 : 9/20/2020 4:44 pm : link
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RE: Umm does he coach  
Dutch77 : 9/20/2020 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14978801 Dave on the UWS said:
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the team? I must have missed something here. You guys realize, that if they fire him, the new GM will want his own coach, own QB and we get to start ALL over again. The 70s all over again!
I vote for staying the coarse and let this coaching staff work.


And?
Not that it matters what I think but I’ll give him  
ron mexico : 9/20/2020 4:53 pm : link
Till the end of the season. Turnarounds happen all the time.

But this teams looks completely overmatched talent wise week in week out.
It’s pretty damming
RE: Umm does he coach  
Blue The Dog : 9/20/2020 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14978801 Dave on the UWS said:
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the team? I must have missed something here. You guys realize, that if they fire him, the new GM will want his own coach, own QB and we get to start ALL over again. The 70s all over again!
I vote for staying the coarse and let this coaching staff work.


Which was exactly why many of us said it made zero sense to not sure him with Shurmur. This predicament was so easily predictable.

Either way, you don't let that stop you from getting a GM who is competent
RE: Umm does he coach  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/20/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14978801 Dave on the UWS said:
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the team? I must have missed something here. You guys realize, that if they fire him, the new GM will want his own coach, own QB and we get to start ALL over again. The 70s all over again!
I vote for staying the coarse and let this coaching staff work.


Here and lies the problem with retaining him when it was obvious he has a short leash. He could not afford this kind of a start at all. And with SB out for the year, this team is down a major piece to the puzzle. No RB threat and no receiving threat to scare opposing defenses with a new offensive line is not a good thing. So if this team manages a 2 - 3 Ws then ownership has to make a decision on DG. And a new GM probably means new players plus possibly a new HC.

Going back to square one a year or two after being at square one could be our reality come 2021. I for one am not afraid of that type of scenario because with the right decision makers, I think you can bounce back quicker. Unfortunately, we have not made the right hires in the FO or on the sideline.
They are starting over again  
edavisiii : 9/20/2020 5:04 pm : link
With a new coach, a young qb, they both get a couple of years. You can't keep changing coaches and GMs. ¹You guys assume chage equals better. It doesn't, it sets you back. I like Lewis R. But he wanted Haskins, Be is really raw, we would have far less hope. I was optimistic about our long term chances, not short term. New coach, only 14 practices,
A lot can happen, but I'd be very surprised  
BlackLight : 9/20/2020 5:07 pm : link
if Gettleman got fired after this season.

We had a thread earlier this week that effectively made the case that DG has more defensible decisions than indefensible ones in his tenure.
RE: Umm does he coach  
Sean : 9/20/2020 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14978801 Dave on the UWS said:
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the team? I must have missed something here. You guys realize, that if they fire him, the new GM will want his own coach, own QB and we get to start ALL over again. The 70s all over again!
I vote for staying the coarse and let this coaching staff work.


Why do so many people here think the GM hires the head coach? That is not the case. If this team fights hard and plays well this year, you seriously think Mara will allow a new GM come here and fire Judge? He won’t and he shouldn’t.

It is much more common now where a head coach gets hired prior to a GM being named (look at SF with Shanahan). The important thing will be do I finding a GM who has a familiar philosophy with Judge.
Gettleman  
Pete44 : 9/20/2020 5:09 pm : link
In our podcast, I make the argument about this guy and how badly he has performed as General Manager. In my opinion, ACL tear or not, he set this franchise back years by taking Barkley with the 2nd pick in the draft. You can get RBs anywhere and now Barkley will be coming off ACL. There was a lot they could have done in that draft to set the team up for years. It kills me.
RE: In the Game Thread  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2020 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14978800 Blue The Dog said:
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Everyone is talking about how the issue that we just don't have the talent. (We shouldn't need that much talent to beat the Mitch Trubisky led Bears)

If this is what everyone agrees on, then this falls squarely on Gettleman. There are only 4 players here not brought in by him. Its been 3 years. There should be some results on the field at this point.


I think we have a lot of talent, its just really young. Whats our avg starting age, like 24? We will continue to get better.
A lot of talent huh?  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2020 5:11 pm : link
Very droll.
RE: We are 50 games in now  
Justlurking : 9/20/2020 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14978785 chuckydee9 said:
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Plus he started makingmajor personnel changes really fast.. So there is no way that you can't blame the current mess and the mess last year on him.. This is his team with his players..


He inherited a mess. And somehow made it worse despite having the most draft capital last 3 years. He has to go ASAP.
RE: A lot of talent huh?  
Justlurking : 9/20/2020 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14978886 Greg from LI said:
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Very droll.


This team has no talent.
My feeling  
darren in pdx : 9/20/2020 5:16 pm : link
has been he was going to retire after this season regardless of how it goes, but with how things are going I'd be surprised if he's still with the team another season. Is there anyone poachable from an organization like the Steelers?
Dave on the UWS  
arniefez : 9/20/2020 5:17 pm : link
How long have you been a Giant fan? You haven’t notice or no one has told you that the Mara family hires the coaches? The Giants GM is a middle manager.
He's had 3 off-seasons and somehow this is still one of the 3 worst  
The_Boss : 9/20/2020 5:22 pm : link
Rosters in the entire league. In addition, his signature draft pick now might not ever be the same player again. When this already miserable season is over, I do not want him presiding over what is shaping up as a loaded top of the draft next April. Let another guy shape the future of this franchise. Dave's hasn't earned that right, in my view.
He has not done a  
lax counsel : 9/20/2020 5:23 pm : link
Good job for the most part. But if DJ can grow into a top 10 qb and Thomas is a top LT a lot of the other flaws in his roster construction will be covered.

Unfortunately DJ looks more Kirk Cousins than Mahomes at the moment. If he grows into a mobile Matt Ryan I’d be thrilled. Talent is there, and he was more cautious today but he has to start picking apart good defenses like he did on the 2nd half today for an entire.

Feel terrible for a good young man like Barkley, but many of posters on BBI predicted several outcomes where picking Barkley set the giants franchise back. You need a franchise changer at 2. At this point I’m not sure Barkley even gets a second contract with the team. Not what you want out of your 2nd overall pick.

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Walnut : 9/20/2020 5:25 pm : link
He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the best RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.
Does it matter?  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/20/2020 5:26 pm : link
We know it's going to be Abrams installed as gm. We've known that for years.

More half measures and spinning wheels
RE: A lot can happen, but I'd be very surprised  
ron mexico : 9/20/2020 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14978874 BlackLight said:
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if Gettleman got fired after this season.

We had a thread earlier this week that effectively made the case that DG has more defensible decisions than indefensible ones in his tenure.


That ratio should be more like 5-1 as opposed to 50/50
He hasn't been prefect but he has got some pretty bad things right  
rasbutant : 9/20/2020 5:31 pm : link
and though it hasn't all been what I would have done, i can see what he is doing and the needle is moving in the right direction, despite the loss today.
This OP is like tossing a softball but  
LBH15 : 9/20/2020 5:33 pm : link
I will take the bait and finish the title of the thread.

“...is so bad he was kicked in the ass by the foot of God.”
RE: .  
lax counsel : 9/20/2020 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14978921 Walnut said:
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He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the best RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.


We don’t know if he drafted a franchise qb, right now jones looks more cousins than franchise qb. He may end up Matt Ryan- which is probably his ceiling- which we’d all sign up for.

The running back pick was a mistake and still is. Not sure how that is a positive for him. He may not even get a second contract. Terrible observation.

The line performed better today but is still largely suspect. Hernandez looks overmatched at times. Incomplete here.

The overall record of 9-25, including a badly misjudged year with the 2018 team. Overall he has not righted anything. It looks bad right now.
RE: .  
The_Boss : 9/20/2020 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14978921 Walnut said:
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He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the best RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.


You think this ship is headed in the right direction?
Your record is what it says it is.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/20/2020 5:39 pm : link
Mara and Tisch brought him on because they felt McAdoo wasn't getting the most out of Eli and that the Giants had a playoff roster. This was wrong.

If the Jets GM hired Shurmur and managed the Odell and Williams debacles, we would be laughing our butts off and Benigno and Roberts would be pounding their mics everyday.

At this point Mara and Tisch don't have an organization ethos. Each time it's been successful it's been brought by the coach (Parcells and TC). Maybe Judge has it, but now we will wait another year to see if it's correct.
RE: .  
chuckydee9 : 9/20/2020 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14978921 Walnut said:
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He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the best RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.


Why stop at declaring DJ to be just franchise QB.. lets make him HoF.. Also I mean Adrain Peterson, Zeke, Gurley have all accomplished way less than Barkley so your second statement is valid as well.. I would say though Tomlinson wasn't as good as Barkley has already shown to be. .Personally I would say best since Jim brown.. Our OL is also shored up very well.. all you had to do was sleep through last weeks game..
RE: RE: .  
Producer : 9/20/2020 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14978965 chuckydee9 said:
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In comment 14978921 Walnut said:


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He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the b

est RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.



Why stop at declaring DJ to be just franchise QB.. lets make him HoF.. Also I mean Adrain Peterson, Zeke, Gurley have all accomplished way less than Barkley so your second statement is valid as well.. I would say though Tomlinson wasn't as good as Barkley has already shown to be. .Personally I would say best since Jim brown.. Our OL is also shored up very well.. all you had to do was sleep through last weeks game..


You're wrong. Jones is the best QB since Unitas. Barkley is more like Jim Brown, Walter payton and Earl Campbell combined. And there are literal monsters on the OL, obviously, even if they can't block anybody... [smh]
He’s been awful. Like, Phil Jackson level awful.  
bceagle05 : 9/20/2020 6:01 pm : link
Overhauled the entire roster, including several MAJOR decisions (Barkley, Jones and Odell), but hasn’t improved the team at all. Every team makes some good draft picks in the later rounds - I’m not throwing a parade for the Slayton pick. Still no pass rush, mediocre offensive line, mediocre secondary - many of the same issues we had before he got here.
They need to hire a guy Judge knows and trusts - not Abrams -  
bceagle05 : 9/20/2020 6:03 pm : link
to get out of this rut. No arranged marriages.
RE: Does it matter?  
NYG07 : 9/20/2020 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14978927 Diversify yo bonds said:
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We know it's going to be Abrams installed as gm. We've known that for years.

More half measures and spinning wheels


Sadly this is the truth. As terrible as Gettleman has been, the real problem lies at the top with Mara. The fact that Gettleman and Chris Mara survived the purge after last year is astonishing. But you are right, this is likely going to be Mara's next move.
Gettleman has been here 3 years  
Giantfan21 : 9/20/2020 6:28 pm : link
he has had 3 drafts and tons of free agent moves to fix this team and as of now, he has not improved 1 area of the team since he got here. The offensive line is as bad as it was before he got here, the skill positions are very thin and nobody can get any separation, Barkley was a terrible pick at 2 based solely on value , the pass rush is terrible, the secondary is still weak.

Really, if you are being generous the only positive you can say is he improved the run defense even though Chicago ran it down their throat in the 4th and he might have drafted a franchise QB but the book is way too early on that one.

When you factor everything in with the free agent signings, the trades for ogletree, williams, and moving up to get baker , and his drafts being average at best he has been a disaster .

9-25 since he took over. Any other franchise he would have been fired already and ownership would be looking outside the organization for someone to come in and fix this shit. However, when you have a franchise run by an incompetent moron who likes to meddle and family are involved in the front office this is why the team is the worst in the league the last 3+ years
Not only does he have to go  
jeff57 : 9/20/2020 6:28 pm : link
But they have to bring someone from outside the organization to be GM
Exactly.  
NYG07 : 9/20/2020 6:38 pm : link
I said this at the end of last year and it still is true. Gettleman came into his current position arrogantly spewing cliches about how he was going to "kick ass" and how the Giants were going to run the ball, stop the run and rush the passer.

They still to this day 3 years later have arguably the worst offensive line and pass rush in the NFL. I will hope like hell with everyone else here that we greatly improve throughout the year. But if we don't, do we really want John Mara making the call on changes in the organization?

He’s had three years, and I go are we better than talentwiise?  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/20/2020 7:14 pm : link
The Jets? The Phins?

We have the worst record in the league for the last three years and Parcells told us what that means. Now we’re 0-2, with another season down the drain.

Clean house.
RE: RE: .  
Percy : 9/20/2020 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14978945 lax counsel said:
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In comment 14978921 Walnut said:


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He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the best RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.



We don’t know if he drafted a franchise qb, right now jones looks more cousins than franchise qb. He may end up Matt Ryan- which is probably his ceiling- which we’d all sign up for.

The running back pick was a mistake and still is. Not sure how that is a positive for him. He may not even get a second contract. Terrible observation.

The line performed better today but is still largely suspect. Hernandez looks overmatched at times. Incomplete here.

The overall record of 9-25, including a badly misjudged year with the 2018 team. Overall he has not righted anything. It looks bad right now.


I am thankful that someone else put this up and I didn't have to try. Right about all this across the board.
RE: .  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/21/2020 10:19 am : link
In comment 14978921 Walnut said:
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He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the best RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.

Hernandez is a monster? It's not even clear that Hernandez is a bona fide NFL starter right now. He has been fairly inconsistent; I don't know how you can call him a monster by any metric other than wishful thinking.
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christian : 9/21/2020 10:30 am : link
Lots of defenses of Gettleman seem to just be lists of all the things he’s done and assume those are guaranteed to succeed. And then all of the things that have proven didn’t work, were someone else’s fault.

Call me crazy, but I’d like to see this team get above .500. before slapping anyone’s ass.
RE: .  
BlueVinnie : 9/21/2020 10:41 am : link
In comment 14978921 Walnut said:
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He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the best RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.


WOW!
Walnut, you definitely need to take off your Paul Dottino signature model rose colored glasses.
RE: .  
Section331 : 9/21/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14978921 Walnut said:
Quote:
He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the best RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.


The best RB since Tomlinson? Jesus, he’s not even the best RB in his own division.
RE: RE: .  
islander1 : 9/21/2020 10:48 am : link
In comment 14980085 Section331 said:
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In comment 14978921 Walnut said:


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He drafted a franchise QB.
He drafted probably the best RB since Tomlinson
He shored up the line with 2 monsters in Thomas and Hernandez
He drafted our #1 receiver Slayton
He drafted our best defensive player in Lawerence
He got us some young playmakers in the secondary

He had to deal with the Eli drama for his first year and into his second and Reese's mess.

Seems like DG has righted the ship pretty quickly.



The best RB since Tomlinson? Jesus, he’s not even the best RB in his own division.


I'd take him, healthy, over Elliott. Wouldn't think twice.
RE: A lot can happen, but I'd be very surprised...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/21/2020 10:49 am : link
BlackLight said:
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... if Gettleman got fired after this season.

We had a thread earlier this week that effectively made the case that DG has more defensible decisions than indefensible ones in his tenure.

Isn't "defensible" a low bar? Truly indefensible moves are pretty rare. I can defend Jerry Reese's rebuild of the offensive line around Will Beatty, Justin Pugh, Weston Richburg, Geoff Schwartz, and Ereck Flowers. That doesn't make the results any less disastrous.

Similarly, I can defend almost everything Dave Gettleman has done. The problem is the scarcity of successful decisions, as reflected in the team's record and near-to-intermediate term prospects.

IMHO, the "original sin" of the Gettleman era was trying to make a final run with Eli Manning and the available coaching/playing talent. Could it have worked? I guess, if absolutely everything Gettleman touched in 2018-2019 had turned to gold. Was it Gettleman's idea? Maybe not, but once he acquiesced, he owned it. Is it defensible in hindsight? Barely, if you give the owners and GM the benefit of every doubt. But the bottom line is where we are today, and it's not pretty.
Gettleman probably gets fired this year  
islander1 : 9/21/2020 10:52 am : link
but you have to be careful - who's replacing him?
He inherited a team completely devoid of talent.

His drafts have been good, his free agency record will be what gets him. Trading record has been mixed.

Think how much better this team would be if Baker didn't commit armed robbery, McKinney was healthy, and Saquon was healthy.

This team is more snakebitten then run poorly at this point.
Islander1: The most important ability is availability.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/21/2020 11:24 am : link
islander1 said:
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I'd take him, healthy, over Elliott. Wouldn't think twice.
Same here. OTOH, in four+ seasons, how many games has Elliott missed because of injury? He did get his dumb @ss suspended in 2017, and was badly missed: the Dallas offense averaged 235 total yards the first three weeks he was out, and their season went down the tubes. (Of course, they still stomped all over the Giant defense without him.)
Purposely obtuse?  
Thegratefulhead : 9/21/2020 12:42 pm : link
Ownership told EVERYONE that the needle needs to be looking up by season's end. No record mandate, we need to look like we are improving. Their money. Their ballgame. That is what DG is accountable to.

Because.

We completely blew things up.

We are 2 games in with no preseason games.

Did you forget already?

Bears have a pretty good D and we lost our best offensive player.

It is what it is.
RE: Islander1: The most important ability is availability.  
islander1 : 9/21/2020 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14980174 Big Blue Blogger said:
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islander1 said:

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I'd take him, healthy, over Elliott. Wouldn't think twice.

Same here. OTOH, in four+ seasons, how many games has Elliott missed because of injury? He did get his dumb @ss suspended in 2017, and was badly missed: the Dallas offense averaged 235 total yards the first three weeks he was out, and their season went down the tubes. (Of course, they still stomped all over the Giant defense without him.)


You're right, but 'availability' is fairly difficult to predict. Elliott has proven durable. However, Barkley missed three games in three full seasons as a starter at Penn State.

I believe Saquon would put superior numbers behind Dallas's line. It's just conjecture, but our line has always been trash.

The whole situation just sucks. I don't know how you blame anyone in the organization when you don't see red flags going in and then the guy is snakebitten.

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