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#Giants RB Saquon Barkley suffered an ACL tear, based on the manual tests and initial diagnosis, source said. He’ll have an MRI to tell the full story, but the belief is the star is done for the season. Coach Joe Judge said they are holding out hope.
Unfortunately, these kinds of injuries can be career altering. He may never be the same. The question will ultimately be whether he deserves to be paid like an All-World RB if he only comes back as merely "good."
As far as the team goes I’m going to come out and say this because we’re not going to start winning until the team adapts the same mentality, so maybe it can start with the fans and trickle to them....
NEXT MAN UP
Unfortunately, these kinds of injuries can be career altering. He may never be the same. The question will ultimately be whether he deserves to be paid like an All-World RB if he only comes back as merely "good."
Well, an older back like Adrien Peterson came back pretty good from a knee injury. There’s plenty of RBs that have. He’s a hard worker. He’ll be back and ready for next season. DJ will need another back however. I don’t think Gallman or Lewis are the long term answer. DG might have to start working the phones?!
Ingram was invisable until Barkley left.
Thought it was his hand...then see his knee.
Didn't realize it was different plays
Yes, he went to the sidelines after the next to last play of the first quarter acting as if he was injured. And then he came back to start the second quarter and the knee injury happened on the first play of the second quarter.
Hard enough for a guy who runs straight ahead with power, but for a guy who depends on ankle-breaking cuts and misdirections and spins. He's just likely 75% at best hope when he returns...if he returns.
WE may have seen the last play he will ever run for the GIANTS.
Unfortunately, these kinds of injuries can be career altering. He may never be the same. The question will ultimately be whether he deserves to be paid like an All-World RB if he only comes back as merely "good."
His entire game is built on cutbacks and quick acceleration. ACL will kill that. He'll come back as average unless he changes his game and becomes a power back (which he has the size to).
Yankees too. Just unlucky.
Even on defense. Bryan Kehl and Nick Connelly showed signs of being something before injuries killed their careers.
I just know this young team needs weapons and he was our best RB and a HR threat. The hope was as the season goes on he'd be the workhorse who performed at All-NFL levels receiving and running the ball.
The sad thing is the immediate response to the injury on the game thread were people calling for Gettleman to be fired. Barkley hadn't even left the field before the moron brigade was raining shit.
Don't try and tell that to the fucking idiot who posted on the Barkley thread that he was right not to pick a RB and Barkley's injury confirmed that.
Of course that dolt cried for the past three years because we didn't pick Darnold, but logic and class are two of his strong suits. Hell, they aren't even in his wardrobe
If only there was a way to estimate the injury risk of RBs.
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If only there was a way to estimate the injury risk of RBs.
Gurley came back and had 3 great years and his injury was devastating.
Gurley came back and had 3 great years and his injury was devastating.
In Gurley's last good year with the Rams, he was useless in the playoffs because of the degeneration of his knee.
At age 24.
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And to anyone suggesting the giants got what they deserved or this validates the belief of never drafting rbs high, no, it’s just bad fucking luck for a franchise that is unlucky, lately. This isn’t about draft value. Barkley is an insanely good player. This just sucks. Badly. Just a catastrophic day for them.
The sad thing is the immediate response to the injury on the game thread were people calling for Gettleman to be fired. Barkley hadn't even left the field before the moron brigade was raining shit.
Yeah, it's despicable. Gettleman was right - this is a generational talent. However, being "Being touched by God" unfortunately doesn't guarantee he'll play injury free.
The bigger crime for me is seeing this super hard working, good human being have his career slowly stolen from him through no fault of his own.
AP is such an anomaly, it’s almost fantasy. No reasonable projection for Barkley starts with something Barry Sanders or AP did - total non-starter. Total fantasy.
The reality now is Barkley isn’t getting extended, unless it’s highly in the Giants favor. He’ll go into year four of his NFL career playing in a total of 9 NFL wins, coming off ACL surgery. If he’s just rounding back into form next year, he’s probably going to play out his 5th year option too. I feel terrible for him.
Giants will have about 7 months to make a decision. Not much time for him to recover fully.
It's the same knee and arthritis is a broad term used as a label for pain and swelling in a joint.
Not a lot of 24 yos suffer career-altering arthritis that isn't the result of a previous traumatic injury.
AP is such an anomaly, it’s almost fantasy. No reasonable projection for Barkley starts with something Barry Sanders or AP did - total non-starter. Total fantasy.
The reality now is Barkley isn’t getting extended, unless it’s highly in the Giants favor. He’ll go into year four of his NFL career playing in a total of 9 NFL wins, coming off ACL surgery. If he’s just rounding back into form next year, he’s probably going to play out his 5th year option too. I feel terrible for him.
The overwhelming evidence. Sorry, what evidence? If his ACL was a clean tear, he has a decent chance at a full recovery. ACL’s aren’t the death sentence they were.
I understand this is disappointing, and the timing isn’t great (never is), but he can come back and be very good.
Yes...we root for the Giants. Nothing good is to be expected
In the last 10 years there have been seven top 5 rushing performances in their 7th or later season.
Only two players did it twice — Michael Turner and Adrien Peterson. Turner is a weird one because he was not an every down back until later in his career. You also have some one offs like Forsett and McFadden getting a spin as a feature back in their twilight.
I’m not saying careers are over after 6 seasons, I’m saying peaks typically are. You can certainly go back and find the outliers, but you can find way more guys who slowed down after 6 seasons.
This it the second time he has been incapacitated in play. Bottom line: another really bad draft pick who has not and will not ever work out for the Giants. His play has been, at best, indifferent. (OK with very bad O-lines -- but still.) Now it turns out he's a china doll.
Hope he recovers easily and soon. But he is not the answer to the Giants' offensive needs and woes. Bad pick with no line (which was known at the time) even if he turned out to be Superman. And Superman he is not. Not as a runner or receiver or blocker. Forget about it.
Allen had a lot of accuracy problems, and also had a collarbone injury in college that required plates and screws. The option offered was to trade down to #4 with the Browns for two second round picks. DG likely would have taken Chubb, who has also torn his ACL.
he's now had two major lower body injuries and will have missed as many games as he's played in his career.
Screw us as fans and the team too as this isn't really about how much we or the team is and will be hurting. This is SQ's journey, test, pain, and recovery, and here are my thoughts on how he's likely to handle it based on every impression I've had to date.
I'm upset for the man himself. I'm devastated here because I didn't even get to watch the game today and heard this only an hour ago.
This guy is the epitome of a quality athletic and intellectual person; at least from every word I've read and in every video I've watched.
First, I'm sure he is devastated by the events of today and the pressure now placed upon him, but, he is able to control those thoughts of devastation better than most due to the very qualities that make him both a special athlete, but also a special person. I've yet to hear anyone speak a single negative word concerning SB after an interview, random street encounters, teammates, opponents, coaches, or...anyone.
I have no trouble believing his level of depression and devastation resulting from his own injury just hours ago is actually at a lower level than a large number of the emotional NYG fan base are feeling at this exact point in time. He has a support system, the physical strength, and more importantly, the mental strength and resources to handle this injury better than 99% of us.
If I had to guess, based on everything I know about him (admittedly, not a lot at a personal level), but also other high quality ambitious hard working people like him that I've encountered before, he's already placed recovery as his #1 goal/challenge on his to-do list and it will remain in that #1 spot until he accomplishes that goal.
I bet you he will quickly consult with every specialist available. During recovery he will probably read at least two specific books: a textbook at the doctorate level on how the ACL ligament works, in conjunction with the entirety of both the knee itself and the forces throughout the body influencing the knee joint. The second book will be case studies on the most successful recovery methods to date.
If he's a fast reader, throw in another book by a respected running back who has lived through this. These books will all be read by the time Barkley is ready for real physical rehab on that knee to begin, and I bet you he hits the gym virtually every day of the week to keep the rest of his body ready, and dedicates even more time than ever before in learning the game of football and becoming more involved with offensive line coaching because that's the clear weakness on the team affecting his play.
Yes, this sucks. Yes, there's always the chance he may never be the same effective player again. However, ask yourself honestly, is there any single NFL player you believe would handle this as well as SB to recover fully from this injury barring things out of his control? I mean, there are quality people/players who will put in the same effort as SB, but put more into recovery than SB? No once comes to mind.
Finally, I mention books and experts, and of course that's just one side of things to put emphasis on the level of fight he will display. I have no doubt he will speak with hundreds of doctors, specialists, players, therapists, trainers, coaches, teammates, alumni from all sources, and the support system he has around him already.
On the bright side, it would be a mini-miracle for this team to go all the way in 2020, and yes this is a devastating injury and may not work well when it comes to contract stuff or long term ability for SB to player football.
But on the other end, pending a full recovery, we will have a stronger and more motivated RB in week one of the 2021 season, with only about 1.5 years (he was used considerably less in 19 compared to 18) of NFL wear and tear on him (again, pending full ACL recovery), going into his 4th year, still at the young age of 24. Add another off season to improve the roster, and now we can get some excitement going.
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Tucker never had a chance with his injury and where knee surgery was. SB has a chance to return almost as good as new. It’s the “almost” that needs to be determined on the field.
Blair Thomas - 1990 #2 Overall - Started slow, injuries piled up in year 3. Played in only 24 games in the next 4 years after that.
Ki-Jana Carter - 1995 #1 Overall - Tore his ACL in his first preseason game.
Curtis Enis - 1998 #5 Overall - Long contract holdout, showed up out of shape, tore an ACL later in his first year, out of football after 3 years.
Unfortunately, these kinds of injuries can be career altering. He may never be the same. The question will ultimately be whether he deserves to be paid like an All-World RB if he only comes back as merely "good."
It saves him a year of wear and tear? Wouldn't this be the definition of wear and tear?
he's now had two major lower body injuries and will have missed as many games as he's played in his career.
You absolutely cannot pay him. He has to prove he can return to what he showed in season one. He still dances to much in the backfield, doesn’t pick up blitzes well, and is showing to have injury issues. RB s are a dime a dozen, Barkley could be the best RB, but that window is closing.
This it the second time he has been incapacitated in play. Bottom line: another really bad draft pick who has not and will not ever work out for the Giants. His play has been, at best, indifferent. (OK with very bad O-lines -- but still.) Now it turns out he's a china doll.
Hope he recovers easily and soon. But he is not the answer to the Giants' offensive needs and woes. Bad pick with no line (which was known at the time) even if he turned out to be Superman. And Superman he is not. Not as a runner or receiver or blocker. Forget about it.
Is this really the way some people think? When a player is out for the year, we look at the severity of the hit he took? Hey, Einstein, how many season-ending injuries actually come from vicious hits? Blake Jarwin must be a pussy. Boas must be a frigging primadonna. Mostert must be fragile. Victor Cruz was a dancing pansy.
And I still really want to know how a guy who had 2,000 yards from scrimmage plays indifferent(at best).
This injury happened and immediately the response was to call him a failed draft pick - even a bust - and to have people go off on him being a "china doll" and the incompetence of the GM.
There really are a lot of imbeciles, doubling as colossal douchebags, here.
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No one should ever get such an injury. However, Barkley was not hit hard or anything else on the play in which he suffered his injury. No one twisted him strangely or hit his legs or anything else hard. He simply was thrown out of bounds at the end of an ordinary play.
This it the second time he has been incapacitated in play. Bottom line: another really bad draft pick who has not and will not ever work out for the Giants. His play has been, at best, indifferent. (OK with very bad O-lines -- but still.) Now it turns out he's a china doll.
Hope he recovers easily and soon. But he is not the answer to the Giants' offensive needs and woes. Bad pick with no line (which was known at the time) even if he turned out to be Superman. And Superman he is not. Not as a runner or receiver or blocker. Forget about it.
Is this really the way some people think? When a player is out for the year, we look at the severity of the hit he took? Hey, Einstein, how many season-ending injuries actually come from vicious hits? Blake Jarwin must be a pussy. Boas must be a frigging primadonna. Mostert must be fragile. Victor Cruz was a dancing pansy.
And I still really want to know how a guy who had 2,000 yards from scrimmage plays indifferent(at best).
This injury happened and immediately the response was to call him a failed draft pick - even a bust - and to have people go off on him being a "china doll" and the incompetence of the GM.
There really are a lot of imbeciles, doubling as colossal douchebags, here.
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No one should ever get such an injury. However, Barkley was not hit hard or anything else on the play in which he suffered his injury. No one twisted him strangely or hit his legs or anything else hard. He simply was thrown out of bounds at the end of an ordinary play.
This it the second time he has been incapacitated in play. Bottom line: another really bad draft pick who has not and will not ever work out for the Giants. His play has been, at best, indifferent. (OK with very bad O-lines -- but still.) Now it turns out he's a china doll.
Hope he recovers easily and soon. But he is not the answer to the Giants' offensive needs and woes. Bad pick with no line (which was known at the time) even if he turned out to be Superman. And Superman he is not. Not as a runner or receiver or blocker. Forget about it.
Is this really the way some people think? When a player is out for the year, we look at the severity of the hit he took? Hey, Einstein, how many season-ending injuries actually come from vicious hits? Blake Jarwin must be a pussy. Boas must be a frigging primadonna. Mostert must be fragile. Victor Cruz was a dancing pansy.
And I still really want to know how a guy who had 2,000 yards from scrimmage plays indifferent(at best).
This injury happened and immediately the response was to call him a failed draft pick - even a bust - and to have people go off on him being a "china doll" and the incompetence of the GM.
There really are a lot of imbeciles, doubling as colossal douchebags, here.
I know a lot of people didn't want to draft a RB. But, this doesn't prove that point. And the reality that they are all forgetting is that if it wasn't Barkley it would have been Darnold. Is that who you want to be talking about in year 3? Really?
Josh Allen wasn't much better, if at all, than Jones last year. Allen didn't fumble as much, that's it.
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No one should ever get such an injury. However, Barkley was not hit hard or anything else on the play in which he suffered his injury. No one twisted him strangely or hit his legs or anything else hard. He simply was thrown out of bounds at the end of an ordinary play.
This it the second time he has been incapacitated in play. Bottom line: another really bad draft pick who has not and will not ever work out for the Giants. His play has been, at best, indifferent. (OK with very bad O-lines -- but still.) Now it turns out he's a china doll.
Hope he recovers easily and soon. But he is not the answer to the Giants' offensive needs and woes. Bad pick with no line (which was known at the time) even if he turned out to be Superman. And Superman he is not. Not as a runner or receiver or blocker. Forget about it.
Is this really the way some people think? When a player is out for the year, we look at the severity of the hit he took? Hey, Einstein, how many season-ending injuries actually come from vicious hits? Blake Jarwin must be a pussy. Boas must be a frigging primadonna. Mostert must be fragile. Victor Cruz was a dancing pansy.
And I still really want to know how a guy who had 2,000 yards from scrimmage plays indifferent(at best).
This injury happened and immediately the response was to call him a failed draft pick - even a bust - and to have people go off on him being a "china doll" and the incompetence of the GM.
There really are a lot of imbeciles, doubling as colossal douchebags, here.
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There really are a lot of imbeciles, doubling as colossal douchebags, here. [/quote]
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No one should ever get such an injury. However, Barkley was not hit hard or anything else on the play in which he suffered his injury. No one twisted him strangely or hit his legs or anything else hard. He simply was thrown out of bounds at the end of an ordinary play.
This it the second time he has been incapacitated in play. Bottom line: another really bad draft pick who has not and will not ever work out for the Giants. His play has been, at best, indifferent. (OK with very bad O-lines -- but still.) Now it turns out he's a china doll.
Hope he recovers easily and soon. But he is not the answer to the Giants' offensive needs and woes. Bad pick with no line (which was known at the time) even if he turned out to be Superman. And Superman he is not. Not as a runner or receiver or blocker. Forget about it.
Is this really the way some people think? When a player is out for the year, we look at the severity of the hit he took? Hey, Einstein, how many season-ending injuries actually come from vicious hits? Blake Jarwin must be a pussy. Boas must be a frigging primadonna. Mostert must be fragile. Victor Cruz was a dancing pansy.
And I still really want to know how a guy who had 2,000 yards from scrimmage plays indifferent(at best).
This injury happened and immediately the response was to call him a failed draft pick - even a bust - and to have people go off on him being a "china doll" and the incompetence of the GM.
There really are a lot of imbeciles, doubling as colossal douchebags, here.
Perfectly put Fats