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Barkley ACL Tear

Jon in NYC : 9/20/2020 4:42 pm
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#Giants RB Saquon Barkley suffered an ACL tear, based on the manual tests and initial diagnosis, source said. He’ll have an MRI to tell the full story, but the belief is the star is done for the season. Coach Joe Judge said they are holding out hope.
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poor guy  
mpinmaine : 9/20/2020 4:43 pm : link
just stinks
You could see it as soon as they showed the replay  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2020 4:43 pm : link
Right when he planted before throwing the stiff arm. Just a horrendous break.
In this day and age  
CMicks3110 : 9/20/2020 4:44 pm : link
Is there any reason not to realistically expect a full recovery in time for next season?
Just devastating  
Aaroninma : 9/20/2020 4:44 pm : link
cant remember an injury that made me feel as bad as that one besides maybe Cruz knee injury.
This could be it.  
rocco8112 : 9/20/2020 4:44 pm : link
He may never be the same.
Now the questions becomes the 5th year option  
Ben in Tampa : 9/20/2020 4:46 pm : link
Just a disastrous scenario playing out
Every time we get a game breaker...  
VinegarPeppers : 9/20/2020 4:49 pm : link
BOOM...down he goes and is never the same. Cruz, Nicks, OBJ, even Smith...now Sheppard injured every season...and of course now Barkley's career in major jeopardy.

Yankees too. Just unlucky.
Wasn't he out a few plays before with a hand injury?  
George from PA : 9/20/2020 4:53 pm : link
I went to bathroom....returned, and see him getting carried...

Thought it was his hand...then see his knee.

Didn't realize it was different plays
RE: This could be it.  
Bill L : 9/20/2020 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14978811 rocco8112 said:
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He may never be the same.

Especially if they have to amputate.
RE: RE: This could be it.  
Producer : 9/20/2020 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14978844 Bill L said:
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In comment 14978811 rocco8112 said:


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He may never be the same.


Especially if they have to amputate.


i heard they might have to amputate both legs, just to be sure.
RE: RE: This could be it.  
rocco8112 : 9/20/2020 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14978844 Bill L said:
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In comment 14978811 rocco8112 said:


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He may never be the same.


Especially if they have to amputate.


I am serious though, his game was the speed, the agility and cutting etc. Not a feed the beast power back. This could impact him a great deal.

Real bummer
First  
Josh in the City : 9/20/2020 4:59 pm : link
David Wilson now Saquon Barkley. Injuries...
Not to worry  
arniefez : 9/20/2020 5:02 pm : link
He’ll have the greatest rehab in the history of rehabs. HOF level and Giants.com will be there every step of the way.
RE: Now the questions becomes the 5th year option  
LBH15 : 9/20/2020 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14978818 Ben in Tampa said:
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Just a disastrous scenario playing out


Is there really a question?
On one hand  
BlackLight : 9/20/2020 5:10 pm : link
it does save him a year of pounding on his body for a team that wasn't going anywhere anyway.

Unfortunately, these kinds of injuries can be career altering. He may never be the same. The question will ultimately be whether he deserves to be paid like an All-World RB if he only comes back as merely "good."
I feel horrible for Barkley  
Biteymax22 : 9/20/2020 5:13 pm : link
Good kid who works his butt off.

As far as the team goes I’m going to come out and say this because we’re not going to start winning until the team adapts the same mentality, so maybe it can start with the fans and trickle to them....


NEXT MAN UP
RE: On one hand  
Simms11 : 9/20/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14978882 BlackLight said:
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it does save him a year of pounding on his body for a team that wasn't going anywhere anyway.

Unfortunately, these kinds of injuries can be career altering. He may never be the same. The question will ultimately be whether he deserves to be paid like an All-World RB if he only comes back as merely "good."


Well, an older back like Adrien Peterson came back pretty good from a knee injury. There’s plenty of RBs that have. He’s a hard worker. He’ll be back and ready for next season. DJ will need another back however. I don’t think Gallman or Lewis are the long term answer. DG might have to start working the phones?!
everything aside as soon as Barkley left we spread the offense  
gtt350 : 9/20/2020 5:16 pm : link
out and we're in the game. Why the hell didn't we start out like that.
Ingram was invisable until Barkley left.
RE: Wasn't he out a few plays before with a hand injury?  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 9/20/2020 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14978837 George from PA said:
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I went to bathroom....returned, and see him getting carried...

Thought it was his hand...then see his knee.

Didn't realize it was different plays


Yes, he went to the sidelines after the next to last play of the first quarter acting as if he was injured. And then he came back to start the second quarter and the knee injury happened on the first play of the second quarter.
The strength of his legs  
Dave on the UWS : 9/20/2020 5:31 pm : link
will stand him in good stead to make a full recovery. Have to hope so anyway.
When we get a really good player...  
VinegarPeppers : 9/20/2020 5:32 pm : link
...it's always just a matter of time. Can we get 3-4 seasons out of them before it's just flat out OVER? Nope.

Hard enough for a guy who runs straight ahead with power, but for a guy who depends on ankle-breaking cuts and misdirections and spins. He's just likely 75% at best hope when he returns...if he returns.

WE may have seen the last play he will ever run for the GIANTS.
RE: On one hand  
FStubbs : 9/20/2020 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14978882 BlackLight said:
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it does save him a year of pounding on his body for a team that wasn't going anywhere anyway.

Unfortunately, these kinds of injuries can be career altering. He may never be the same. The question will ultimately be whether he deserves to be paid like an All-World RB if he only comes back as merely "good."


His entire game is built on cutbacks and quick acceleration. ACL will kill that. He'll come back as average unless he changes his game and becomes a power back (which he has the size to).
RE: Every time we get a game breaker...  
FStubbs : 9/20/2020 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14978828 VinegarPeppers said:
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BOOM...down he goes and is never the same. Cruz, Nicks, OBJ, even Smith...now Sheppard injured every season...and of course now Barkley's career in major jeopardy.

Yankees too. Just unlucky.


Even on defense. Bryan Kehl and Nick Connelly showed signs of being something before injuries killed their careers.
Most of you guys are too young  
Dave on the UWS : 9/20/2020 5:54 pm : link
to remember Gayle Sayers. He suffered a devastating knee injury early in his career (1966 I think) and came back pretty much the same. It was his subsequent injuries that shortened his career. And medicine is light years better. He will be back.
that draft class  
giantsFC : 9/20/2020 6:00 pm : link
has been unfortunate. Even if Barkley remains injury prone or never recovers, he still winds up better than many of the other picks at his point
Hopefully he recovers for camp next year  
SGMen : 9/20/2020 6:01 pm : link
I mean, perhaps the MRI shows a partial tear of the ACL as I believe that can happen too. Does that mean it can heal on its own or ??? I have no idea.

I just know this young team needs weapons and he was our best RB and a HR threat. The hope was as the season goes on he'd be the workhorse who performed at All-NFL levels receiving and running the ball.
at least it was before  
Giantsfan79 : 9/20/2020 6:02 pm : link
he signed his second contract
Tough break for him  
Shady Lurker : 9/20/2020 6:03 pm : link
Good luck on the recovery. You know he'll do his part on the rehab, you just have to hope the unknowns break his way
RE: at least it was before  
Dave in PA : 9/20/2020 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14979015 Giantsfan79 said:
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he signed his second contract
I suppose this is a callous silver lining
That's a shame  
HomerJones45 : 9/20/2020 6:17 pm : link
seemed like a routine play, too. Good luck to him, he could use some.
What a fucking bummer  
djm : 9/20/2020 6:29 pm : link
And to anyone suggesting the giants got what they deserved or this validates the belief of never drafting rbs high, no, it’s just bad fucking luck for a franchise that is unlucky, lately. This isn’t about draft value. Barkley is an insanely good player. This just sucks. Badly. Just a catastrophic day for them.
RE: What a fucking bummer  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/20/2020 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14979086 djm said:
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And to anyone suggesting the giants got what they deserved or this validates the belief of never drafting rbs high, no, it’s just bad fucking luck for a franchise that is unlucky, lately. This isn’t about draft value. Barkley is an insanely good player. This just sucks. Badly. Just a catastrophic day for them.


The sad thing is the immediate response to the injury on the game thread were people calling for Gettleman to be fired. Barkley hadn't even left the field before the moron brigade was raining shit.
Any first round pick can get injured...  
EricJ : 9/20/2020 6:39 pm : link
it is hindsight to say we should have drafted someone else because the guy got hurt.
RE: Any first round pick can get injured...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/20/2020 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14979109 EricJ said:
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it is hindsight to say we should have drafted someone else because the guy got hurt.


Don't try and tell that to the fucking idiot who posted on the Barkley thread that he was right not to pick a RB and Barkley's injury confirmed that.

Of course that dolt cried for the past three years because we didn't pick Darnold, but logic and class are two of his strong suits. Hell, they aren't even in his wardrobe
RE: poor guy  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2020 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14978802 mpinmaine said:
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just stinks

If only there was a way to estimate the injury risk of RBs.
RE: RE: poor guy  
section125 : 9/20/2020 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14979122 Gatorade Dunk said:
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just stinks


If only there was a way to estimate the injury risk of RBs.


Gurley came back and had 3 great years and his injury was devastating.
RE: RE: RE: poor guy  
shyster : 9/20/2020 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14979157 section125 said:
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Gurley came back and had 3 great years and his injury was devastating.


In Gurley's last good year with the Rams, he was useless in the playoffs because of the degeneration of his knee.

At age 24.
Gurley has an arthritic condition in his knee  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2020 7:17 pm : link
His decline isn't strictly a result of tearing his ACL earlier in his career.
RE: RE: What a fucking bummer  
islander1 : 9/20/2020 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14979106 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14979086 djm said:


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And to anyone suggesting the giants got what they deserved or this validates the belief of never drafting rbs high, no, it’s just bad fucking luck for a franchise that is unlucky, lately. This isn’t about draft value. Barkley is an insanely good player. This just sucks. Badly. Just a catastrophic day for them.



The sad thing is the immediate response to the injury on the game thread were people calling for Gettleman to be fired. Barkley hadn't even left the field before the moron brigade was raining shit.


Yeah, it's despicable. Gettleman was right - this is a generational talent. However, being "Being touched by God" unfortunately doesn't guarantee he'll play injury free.

The bigger crime for me is seeing this super hard working, good human being have his career slowly stolen from him through no fault of his own.
...  
christian : 9/20/2020 7:27 pm : link
The overwhelming evidence points to a running back having 5-6 full time years at his peak. There’s no silver lining in this, this stinks for Barkley and the Giants. This will impact his speed, his agility, and eventually the long term shelf life of his knee.

AP is such an anomaly, it’s almost fantasy. No reasonable projection for Barkley starts with something Barry Sanders or AP did - total non-starter. Total fantasy.

The reality now is Barkley isn’t getting extended, unless it’s highly in the Giants favor. He’ll go into year four of his NFL career playing in a total of 9 NFL wins, coming off ACL surgery. If he’s just rounding back into form next year, he’s probably going to play out his 5th year option too. I feel terrible for him.
RE: Now the questions becomes the 5th year option  
Torn Tendon : 9/20/2020 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14978818 Ben in Tampa said:
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Just a disastrous scenario playing out

Giants will have about 7 months to make a decision. Not much time for him to recover fully.
RE: Gurley has an arthritic condition in his knee  
shyster : 9/20/2020 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14979200 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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His decline isn't strictly a result of tearing his ACL earlier in his career.


It's the same knee and arthritis is a broad term used as a label for pain and swelling in a joint.

Not a lot of 24 yos suffer career-altering arthritis that isn't the result of a previous traumatic injury.
RE: ...  
RAIN : 9/20/2020 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14979213 christian said:
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The overwhelming evidence points to a running back having 5-6 full time years at his peak. There’s no silver lining in this, this stinks for Barkley and the Giants. This will impact his speed, his agility, and eventually the long term shelf life of his knee.

AP is such an anomaly, it’s almost fantasy. No reasonable projection for Barkley starts with something Barry Sanders or AP did - total non-starter. Total fantasy.



The reality now is Barkley isn’t getting extended, unless it’s highly in the Giants favor. He’ll go into year four of his NFL career playing in a total of 9 NFL wins, coming off ACL surgery. If he’s just rounding back into form next year, he’s probably going to play out his 5th year option too. I feel terrible for him.


The overwhelming evidence. Sorry, what evidence? If his ACL was a clean tear, he has a decent chance at a full recovery. ACL’s aren’t the death sentence they were.

I understand this is disappointing, and the timing isn’t great (never is), but he can come back and be very good.
I feel bad for the guy.. seriously..  
prdave73 : 9/20/2020 7:36 pm : link
A generational talent and it's wasted behind a shitty Giants Oline.. This franchise better get their heads out of their asses quick. I would start by firing DG after the season. No doubt this is where they need to start.
Terrible  
ron mexico : 9/20/2020 7:46 pm : link
Here’s to a full recovery
RE: In this day and age  
rnargi : 9/20/2020 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14978807 CMicks3110 said:
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Is there any reason not to realistically expect a full recovery in time for next season?


Yes...we root for the Giants. Nothing good is to be expected
The Barley vs Darnold argument was always stupid  
GeofromNJ : 9/20/2020 8:04 pm : link
The argument should have been Barkley vs Allen and Gettleman should have drafted Josh Allen, not Saquon Barkley. To me, it made no sense to draft a running back when you needed a quarterback and one with the talent of Allen was available. Talented quarterbacks can be successful even when the offensive line is mediocre. The same cannot be said for running backs.

RE: RE: ...  
christian : 9/20/2020 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14979234 RAIN said:
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The overwhelming evidence. Sorry, what evidence? If his ACL was a clean tear, he has a decent chance at a full recovery. ACL’s aren’t the death sentence they were.


In the last 10 years there have been seven top 5 rushing performances in their 7th or later season.

Only two players did it twice — Michael Turner and Adrien Peterson. Turner is a weird one because he was not an every down back until later in his career. You also have some one offs like Forsett and McFadden getting a spin as a feature back in their twilight.

I’m not saying careers are over after 6 seasons, I’m saying peaks typically are. You can certainly go back and find the outliers, but you can find way more guys who slowed down after 6 seasons.
Regrets About Barkley  
Percy : 9/20/2020 8:18 pm : link
No one should ever get such an injury. However, Barkley was not hit hard or anything else on the play in which he suffered his injury. No one twisted him strangely or hit his legs or anything else hard. He simply was thrown out of bounds at the end of an ordinary play.

This it the second time he has been incapacitated in play. Bottom line: another really bad draft pick who has not and will not ever work out for the Giants. His play has been, at best, indifferent. (OK with very bad O-lines -- but still.) Now it turns out he's a china doll.

Hope he recovers easily and soon. But he is not the answer to the Giants' offensive needs and woes. Bad pick with no line (which was known at the time) even if he turned out to be Superman. And Superman he is not. Not as a runner or receiver or blocker. Forget about it.
RE: The Barley vs Darnold argument was always stupid  
AcidTest : 9/20/2020 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14979295 GeofromNJ said:
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The argument should have been Barkley vs Allen and Gettleman should have drafted Josh Allen, not Saquon Barkley. To me, it made no sense to draft a running back when you needed a quarterback and one with the talent of Allen was available. Talented quarterbacks can be successful even when the offensive line is mediocre. The same cannot be said for running backs.


Allen had a lot of accuracy problems, and also had a collarbone injury in college that required plates and screws. The option offered was to trade down to #4 with the Browns for two second round picks. DG likely would have taken Chubb, who has also torn his ACL.
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