I don't know about you guys, but this is not going to be a fun season watching our second year QB go through growing pains as he tries to figure out how to transform his game into winning football (along with the rest of team, now without Saquon Barkley.).
His fumble today looked like an exact replica of last season, and his INT was due primarily because he was a tick slow getting the ball out. Why? Because he held the ball too low and had to wind up before he could release it. That is a throwing style he reverts to on several occasions and it can only spell trouble (including more fumbles.)
In the end, he got the ball to the 15-yard line with ten seconds left in the game. That means two shots into the end zone. His 5-yard pass completion burning six seconds is not the answer. Big mistake right there.
He's got this season to figure it out. If he fails, I can see the Giants replacing him with Trevor Lawrence, which would be pretty easy to do when we're picking #1.
It was not realistic to have two full shots of 20 yard plays in 8-seconds. It isn't possible. You have to chuck it quickly and hope it isn't picked or get sacked in the process.
He's going to be judged harshly and he has little around him for support. He'll make mistakes because he's forced into that spot. If Evan Engram can stay healthy and improve his game and Shepard can stay healthy and be a viable slot guy, maybe they'll have some success. But those two are frequently hurt.
Turnovers are a concern but I still see him as the QB of the future
This off season is unique and will earn him a pass.
Lets not forget this is a new system he is learning without any proper off season.
But lets see how he does when the defenses he faces are not top 5...
In an amazing world, Giants wind up with the 1st pick in this draft and get Lawrence. Trade Jones.
Maybe he winds up like the next Drew Brees, but he won't be that in NY.
In an amazing world, Giants wind up with the 1st pick in this draft and get Lawrence. Trade Jones.
Maybe he winds up like the next Drew Brees, but he won't be that in NY.
No, trash is your post.
One win could very well mean no Lawrence!
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after seeing how well rookie and 2ns year QB's play that are true studs its time to accept Jones is a mediocre QB.
In an amazing world, Giants wind up with the 1st pick in this draft and get Lawrence. Trade Jones.
Maybe he winds up like the next Drew Brees, but he won't be that in NY.
No, trash is your post.
oooohhhhhh I'm so upset.
*flexes keyboard muscles and MMA skills
In an amazing world, Giants wind up with the 1st pick in this draft and get Lawrence. Trade Jones.
Maybe he winds up like the next Drew Brees, but he won't be that in NY.
LOL...This is such a ridiculous take.
there is a strong chance he will wind up as a mediocre starter. His start to 2020 is not a good sign. But there is still some upside to this kid. I don't think we know yet what his ceiling is.
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
there is a strong chance he will wind up as a mediocre starter. His start to 2020 is not a good sign. But there is still some upside to this kid. I don't think we know yet what his ceiling is.
What were you expecting against those 2 Ds with no running game and little help outside of Slayton week 1?
I'd prefer 2 throws in the endzone....
This team only moved the ball well when we spread out the defense and leaned heavily on Jones. Basically when circumstances made JG's preferred playcall unusable.
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
there is a strong chance he will wind up as a mediocre starter. His start to 2020 is not a good sign. But there is still some upside to this kid. I don't think we know yet what his ceiling is.
What were you expecting against those 2 Ds with no running game and little help outside of Slayton week 1?
i dunno.. something more. His only good plays with one or two exceptions are scripted dump offs to the safety valve. And there are the mistakes. He looks lost. Herbert stepped in today and looks better than Jones. We'll see. He can improve. I believe it is possible. Ijust don't think it is obvious that Jones "is the goods" as some on here like to spout. He's a work in progress.
Improved and has all the talent in the world. Look at Mahomes so far today. Best qb in the league is struggling without good protection even with all those weapons. Jones settles down when he got blocking which is the key to everything. We aren’t drafting a new qb next year, so root for the kid or go find a new team
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
there is a strong chance he will wind up as a mediocre starter. His start to 2020 is not a good sign. But there is still some upside to this kid. I don't think we know yet what his ceiling is.
true. I'm just done with so many fails. So many "just give this player time"
They have all been busts the last 5 years. Almost every player drafted high on this team has.
And the FO has not drafted a player the experts, giants fans, and fans of other teams expected to draft in that span.
Its just a sign of massive futility. And its tiring to see the blind defending and attacking any who criticize.
Or Darnold's. The comments on BBI during and after Darnold's first start were really something else.
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
there is a strong chance he will wind up as a mediocre starter. His start to 2020 is not a good sign. But there is still some upside to this kid. I don't think we know yet what his ceiling is.
true. I'm just done with so many fails. So many "just give this player time"
They have all been busts the last 5 years. Almost every player drafted high on this team has.
And the FO has not drafted a player the experts, giants fans, and fans of other teams expected to draft in that span.
Its just a sign of massive futility. And its tiring to see the blind defending and attacking any who criticize.
What were you expecting this season?
No, because it's ignorant on multiple levels and shows that you have a complete lack of understanding of how Professional Football works. Let me guess, you think it's like Madden 2020
But it probably is true a better or maybe more experienced qb with better receivers would have gone back of the end zone where only the receiver could reach it or it goes out the back. But we really only have one guy with the height, hands, and speed to make that kind of pass possible and I don't know where Engram was on that play or if he has the football smarts to block out the defender from getting to the spot first.
"wahhh, he's not Maholmes or Hebert!!..sniff sniff"
crybabies
"wahhh, he's not Maholmes or Hebert!!..sniff sniff"
crybabies
sorry if I prefer a winning QB with greatness versus Dave Brown V2.0
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
No, because it's ignorant on multiple levels and shows that you have a complete lack of understanding of how Professional Football works. Let me guess, you think it's like Madden 2020
so how does professional football work? let me guess, you wrote the book on it?
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Jones aint the problem. Give it some time jeez.
"wahhh, he's not Maholmes or Hebert!!..sniff sniff"
crybabies
sorry if I prefer a winning QB with greatness versus Dave Brown V2.0
LOL...I didn't think you could double down on your earlier idiocy but damn I was wrong
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
No, because it's ignorant on multiple levels and shows that you have a complete lack of understanding of how Professional Football works. Let me guess, you think it's like Madden 2020
so how does professional football work? let me guess, you wrote the book on it?
If I did I would have to make it an illustration book for you to understand it Sparky
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
there is a strong chance he will wind up as a mediocre starter. His start to 2020 is not a good sign. But there is still some upside to this kid. I don't think we know yet what his ceiling is.
true. I'm just done with so many fails. So many "just give this player time"
They have all been busts the last 5 years. Almost every player drafted high on this team has.
And the FO has not drafted a player the experts, giants fans, and fans of other teams expected to draft in that span.
Its just a sign of massive futility. And its tiring to see the blind defending and attacking any who criticize.
What were you expecting this season?
uh better than last season? A QB who improved and didn't fumble?
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
No, because it's ignorant on multiple levels and shows that you have a complete lack of understanding of how Professional Football works. Let me guess, you think it's like Madden 2020
so how does professional football work? let me guess, you wrote the book on it?
If I did I would have to make it an illustration book for you to understand it Sparky
oooh can you Grandpa? I haven't heard someone be called sparky since Ronald Reagan was president.
He played many games without a starting RB
He has had two head coaches in 15 games
He has had two OCs and two systems in 15 games
He has been playing behind one of the worst OLs in the game
He has had mediocre WRs
He has had an under-performing TE
He has constantly been playing from behind
He rarely is given a short field
... and some of you guys are already saying he is trash?
Once again.. proving fans are stupid.
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Jones aint the problem. Give it some time jeez.
"wahhh, he's not Maholmes or Hebert!!..sniff sniff"
crybabies
sorry if I prefer a winning QB with greatness versus Dave Brown V2.0
LOL...I didn't think you could double down on your earlier idiocy but damn I was wrong
can you double down on writing TWO professional football bibles I can read?
Or should I stick with Madden?
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
there is a strong chance he will wind up as a mediocre starter. His start to 2020 is not a good sign. But there is still some upside to this kid. I don't think we know yet what his ceiling is.
true. I'm just done with so many fails. So many "just give this player time"
They have all been busts the last 5 years. Almost every player drafted high on this team has.
And the FO has not drafted a player the experts, giants fans, and fans of other teams expected to draft in that span.
Its just a sign of massive futility. And its tiring to see the blind defending and attacking any who criticize.
I hearya. I understand the frustration. But this is the position we are in. We need to see what he is. If Jones doesn't progress this season, I would agree we might need to consider he is not the answer.
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Jones aint the problem. Give it some time jeez.
"wahhh, he's not Maholmes or Hebert!!..sniff sniff"
crybabies
sorry if I prefer a winning QB with greatness versus Dave Brown V2.0
LOL...I didn't think you could double down on your earlier idiocy but damn I was wrong
can you double down on writing TWO professional football bibles I can read?
Or should I stick with Madden?
I don't see any hope of you progressing past the level of dumbness you have right now so two cartoon books would probably overload you. Baby steps Ace.
you are a crybaby.
let it out...it's ok..there there now..
we all hate the losing. give the qb the season ..and the coach....
in the meantime lick your wounds, we have another game sunday
Give me your address and I will send you some tissues
Turnovers are a concern but I still see him as the QB of the future
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because its real? Makes sense? Would be ideal? Sorry I am bashing a favorite player of yours. Life be like that.
there is a strong chance he will wind up as a mediocre starter. His start to 2020 is not a good sign. But there is still some upside to this kid. I don't think we know yet what his ceiling is.
true. I'm just done with so many fails. So many "just give this player time"
They have all been busts the last 5 years. Almost every player drafted high on this team has.
And the FO has not drafted a player the experts, giants fans, and fans of other teams expected to draft in that span.
Its just a sign of massive futility. And its tiring to see the blind defending and attacking any who criticize.
I hearya. I understand the frustration. But this is the position we are in. We need to see what he is. If Jones doesn't progress this season, I would agree we might need to consider he is not the answer.
If he looks great going forward so be it. Team won't have the first pick anyway. But if he continues to struggle, I think we'll see a huge correlation to zero wins.
you are a crybaby.
let it out...it's ok..there there now..
we all hate the losing. give the qb the season ..and the coach....
in the meantime lick your wounds, we have another game sunday
you know the thoughts of fans and front office staff like yours is how we wound up here in groundhog day.
It will get better, just give it time-2013
I didn’t think Jones looked great today, nor did I expect him to be great. What I did expect from Jones today was that he protect the football and once again he failed to do this.
One thing that’s starting to emerge is that we’re lowering our expectations of Jones. I think we know he isn’t going to be Mahomes. Or Russell Wilson. What are we hoping for now then? Tony Romo? Steve Young? Dave Brown? Idk...
So it’s still too soon to tell but with every passing week and every turn over and every loss I feel like the ceiling for Jones is getting a little lower.
I didn’t think Jones looked great today, nor did I expect him to be great. What I did expect from Jones today was that he protect the football and once again he failed to do this.
One thing that’s starting to emerge is that we’re lowering our expectations of Jones. I think we know he isn’t going to be Mahomes. Or Russell Wilson. What are we hoping for now then? Tony Romo? Steve Young? Dave Brown? Idk...
So it’s still too soon to tell but with every passing week and every turn over and every loss I feel like the ceiling for Jones is getting a little lower.
Steve Young? You have him between Dave Brown and Tony Romo? You now Steve Young is one of the best QBs ever to play, right? It's ok I already know Daniel Jones is not Steve Young.
I didn’t think Jones looked great today, nor did I expect him to be great. What I did expect from Jones today was that he protect the football and once again he failed to do this.
One thing that’s starting to emerge is that we’re lowering our expectations of Jones. I think we know he isn’t going to be Mahomes. Or Russell Wilson. What are we hoping for now then? Tony Romo? Steve Young? Dave Brown? Idk...
So it’s still too soon to tell but with every passing week and every turn over and every loss I feel like the ceiling for Jones is getting a little lower.
Maybe to improve fumbles try the old-fashioned way, that is give him a ball and have him take it everywhere he goes: to his bed, the bathroom, shower with it, etc.
Ha! Yeah...I know.
Tom Brady (and NO, I'm not comparing Jones to Brady) didn't even play until his 3rd season.
Going back in time, Phil Simms was heckled all the way through the '86 season (his 7th in the league), before winning the Super Bowl.
Jones, as with many teams, is making a transition to a new coaching staff & system, with NO OTAs, NO preseason games, and only 14 training camp practices.
Let's enjoy that in his 14th start he is showing toughness, accuracy, and the ability to overcome the loss of 2 of his major weapons.
I am more encouraged than discouraged thus far, and am looking forward to him taking the next step over the next 14 games.