This shit is so tiresome. The old adage was meaningful competitive December games. At this rate, I will settle for interesting games come October.
And for 'Be patient' crowd...we have been in free fall since November 2012 as an organization, '16 mirage aside. When is enough enough?
I love this team. My favorite team in sports. But it is getting hard to get invested in it anymore. Apathy sucks, but it is the norm nowadays for me at least. I don't even look forward to games anymore because I know we're likely to lose & look pathetic.
DG probably won't be around as GM next year. We will do some shame hiring process & end up with Abrams as our GM. Yay!
We need Tisch to really grow some balls this year and ensure both Gettleman and Chris Mara are fired this time around.
I m not ready to write off the season.
We KNEW we were going to suck this year. People are rending their garments as though expectations were high.
They are going to be the least talented team on the field the rest of the way.
We KNEW we were going to suck this year. People are rending their garments as though expectations were high.
Eh. We knew this year would be a struggle, but we expected more than this. Specifically as it relates to Jones. I had high hopes for him coming into this year.
I still like him. But if he is going to be a QB that torches terrible teams and turns the ball over repeatedly against good defenses then we will not get to where we want to be. I am not giving up on him, I just want to see him pull a game out of his ass like Eli did early in his career when he was struggling.
We will constantly be bringing in new regimes if there is no patience. This team has a QB who just made his 14th start as a pro and a rookie new left tackle. Defense is very young.
I like Judge to this point. Let’s see how the season ends and where they are trending.
If we can squeak out 6 wins, it will be a minor miracle.
Eh. We knew this year would be a struggle, but we expected more than this. [/quote]
We did? Not to my recollection. I think some of us we're hoping for 6 or 7 wins, if lots of things broke our way. But I wouldn't confuse hopes with expectations.
I'll just say it. Jones played well today. The strip-sack is getting magnified because it was his one major area where he needed to improve, but I saw more positive plays than negative ones. Slayton dropped a first down catch in the redzone that could've had that drive end in a TD rather than a FG. And DJ brought us back from 17 down in the 2nd half when the team had practically nothing going for it.
Shut up. We're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick and Daniel Jones is far from the problem.
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Agreed.
If Dave is here, he’s not going to admit a mistake and make the right decision. If it’s Abrams, I feel the same, unfortunately. Only an outside hire can save this franchise now.
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If Dave is here, he’s not going to admit a mistake and make the right decision. If it’s Abrams, I feel the same, unfortunately. Only an outside hire can save this franchise now.
If the Giants have the first pick and Dave Gettleman is still the GM then John Mara and Steve Tisch need to sell the team on the spot.
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Shut up. We're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick and Daniel Jones is far from the problem.
What has this team done to confidently say we're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick.
Which team right now is without question worse than the Giants? The Jets? Maybe?
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Shut up. We're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick and Daniel Jones is far from the problem.
What has this team done to confidently say we're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick.
Which team right now is without question worse than the Giants? The Jets? Maybe?
Right now, you're not going to find many people who think the Jets are better than the Giants.
Here's the thing about the NFL draft not many people know: There's only one #1 pick.
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Shut up. We're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick and Daniel Jones is far from the problem.
This might be the least talented roster in the league playing a bitch of a schedule and it just lost its best player by a mile. Them picking first overall is not outside the realm of possibility.
Jones has been a turnover machine through his first 14 games in the NFL. Should that play out the rest of the year, he certainly is a problem. There’s a tremendous solution to that problem currently wearing #16 at Clemson.
Eh. We knew this year would be a struggle, but we expected more than this.
We did? Not to my recollection. I think some of us we're hoping for 6 or 7 wins, if lots of things broke our way. But I wouldn't confuse hopes with expectations.
I'll just say it. Jones played well today. The strip-sack is getting magnified because it was his one major area where he needed to improve, but I saw more positive plays than negative ones. Slayton dropped a first down catch in the redzone that could've had that drive end in a TD rather than a FG. And DJ brought us back from 17 down in the 2nd half when the team had practically nothing going for it. [/quote]
Yes. I expected more from Jones this year. I thought he played really well as a rookie on a dogshit team last year and I expected more this year. He still has a chance to improve and I hope he does. But he has got to stop turning the ball over. As far as I am concerned at this point he is playing for his job. He has the opportunity to seal his position. I hope he does and I think he can.
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Shut up. We're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick and Daniel Jones is far from the problem.
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Shut up. We're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick and Daniel Jones is far from the problem.
This might be the least talented roster in the league playing a bitch of a schedule and it just lost its best player by a mile. Them picking first overall is not outside the realm of possibility.
Jones has been a turnover machine through his first 14 games in the NFL. Should that play out the rest of the year, he certainly is a problem. There’s a tremendous solution to that problem currently wearing #16 at Clemson.
I personally think that Trevor is the best prospect since Luck, but we aren't going to be worse than the Panthers, Jags, Dolphins, Bengals. On top of that, we have our franchise QB so even if we do end up in that position, trading down will be the best decision.
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Shut up. We're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick and Daniel Jones is far from the problem.
This might be the least talented roster in the league playing a bitch of a schedule and it just lost its best player by a mile. Them picking first overall is not outside the realm of possibility.
Jones has been a turnover machine through his first 14 games in the NFL. Should that play out the rest of the year, he certainly is a problem. There’s a tremendous solution to that problem currently wearing #16 at Clemson.
I personally think that Trevor is the best prospect since Luck, but we aren't going to be worse than the Panthers, Jags, Dolphins, Bengals. On top of that, we have our franchise QB so even if we do end up in that position, trading down will be the best decision.
Honestly I have seen nothing from Jones to definitively say he’s our franchise guy. And how are you certain the NYG won’t be worse than those teams you mentioned? At best, I see maybe 3 wins on the schedule.
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Shut up. We're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick and Daniel Jones is far from the problem.
This might be the least talented roster in the league playing a bitch of a schedule and it just lost its best player by a mile. Them picking first overall is not outside the realm of possibility.
Jones has been a turnover machine through his first 14 games in the NFL. Should that play out the rest of the year, he certainly is a problem. There’s a tremendous solution to that problem currently wearing #16 at Clemson.
I personally think that Trevor is the best prospect since Luck, but we aren't going to be worse than the Panthers, Jags, Dolphins, Bengals. On top of that, we have our franchise QB so even if we do end up in that position, trading down will be the best decision.
Honestly I have seen nothing from Jones to definitively say he’s our franchise guy. And how are you certain the NYG won’t be worse than those teams you mentioned? At best, I see maybe 3 wins on the schedule.
I personally feel like we are in a culture that needs instant gratification. Peyton was awful his rookie year but showed flashes- that's exactly what you want to see and Jones is past that. In terms of the team, they are going to be a tough out and compete every game. One of the worst 10 teams in the NFL? I'd say absolutely but not bottom 3.
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Shut up. We're not going to be bad enough to have the #1 pick and Daniel Jones is far from the problem.
This might be the least talented roster in the league playing a bitch of a schedule and it just lost its best player by a mile. Them picking first overall is not outside the realm of possibility.
Jones has been a turnover machine through his first 14 games in the NFL. Should that play out the rest of the year, he certainly is a problem. There’s a tremendous solution to that problem currently wearing #16 at Clemson.
I personally think that Trevor is the best prospect since Luck, but we aren't going to be worse than the Panthers, Jags, Dolphins, Bengals. On top of that, we have our franchise QB so even if we do end up in that position, trading down will be the best decision.
Honestly I have seen nothing from Jones to definitively say he’s our franchise guy. And how are you certain the NYG won’t be worse than those teams you mentioned? At best, I see maybe 3 wins on the schedule.
I personally feel like we are in a culture that needs instant gratification. Peyton was awful his rookie year but showed flashes- that's exactly what you want to see and Jones is past that. In terms of the team, they are going to be a tough out and compete every game. One of the worst 10 teams in the NFL? I'd say absolutely but not bottom 3.
Instant gratification? There has been nearly a decade of inept football. This team has made the playoffs once since the Super bowl. You could say this is pent up aggression, but people have been dealing with bad football, with the exact same problems (Horrific o-line) for nearly a decade. Every season, except 1 is over by mid-October. I'm sorry that after a decade of bad football, and 3 years into this GM's tenure I want to see some of his boasting and big talk translate into on the field production.
I've heard every single year that the arrow is pointed in the right direction. When McAdoo was hired, it was that he is the offensive genius we need. When Gettleman was hired, he talked all about coming in, kicking ass, and building while winning. When Shurmur was hired, we were told we finally have an adult in the room. All I want is to actually win games that matter. People act like its normal for that to take 10 years.
If we can squeak out 6 wins, it will be a minor miracle.
Derp, that is all that was expected - 6 wins and the team looking better as the season wore on. They were never in competition for a playoff spot, especially with the COVID non-sense with no practices, pre-season games etc. New Coaching staff, lots of new players, no time to get cohesive....
meaningful October football is a lofty goal you have. Some day.
OL and defense to a lesser degree also important. Graham has done a better job than any of our recent coordinators at making adjustments like having Bradberry shadow Robinson even in the slot. 4 sacks today and 6 on the season means we could see our first 40+ sack year in what seems like forever. Thomas is encouraging so far.
The injuries suck. The losses suck. Being forced to play Balentine as much as they are sucks. That 4th down OL catch sucked. But they were a play away from a ballsy road win. If the coach and QB are legit they will still lead this group to a better year than many expect because there will be tangible progress.
The others in my view are the secondary and the offensive line. Getting Thomas and McKinney reps (hopefully) are other huge upsides.
The others in my view are the secondary and the offensive line. Getting Thomas and McKinney reps (hopefully) are other huge upsides.
Agree. Which is why we have no choice but to be patient as fans. It sucks, but that’s what it is right now.
Was it hard to gameplan for this team with him?
actually we've seen plenty from TL to show he can handle the pressure. you must not follow college football. he has been the face and de facto spokesman for the NCAA players through this summer. he's had the microscope on him since high school. his character is as strong as his game.
he can't hold a block.
The others in my view are the secondary and the offensive line. Getting Thomas and McKinney reps (hopefully) are other huge upsides.
completely agree with this. If Jones/Judge had pulled that one out yesterday it would have been very impressive. They didn't, but they have 14 more chances this year and that's has and will continue to be the most important thing this year, even though it will be harder without SB.