Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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Sandy Alderson is likely to return to the Mets in some capacity as part of the ownership change. Probably not as GM. Story up shortly.
Sandy is one of the most respected execs in baseball and talented people are attracted to him. The second he was free Beane hired him, Cherrington was going to be his asst gm, he brought in Depo even with the Wilponzis. He will be an enormous asset in the search for next gm and retooling the FO.
He also assembled the scouting and development group currently in place which has presided over every single pitch or at bat all of the best players on the current from the minors to big leagues from JDG to Dom. So he brings tremendous institutional knowledge that literally nobody else would have to make sure they keep the right people in place.
In terms of off the field, he ran the team without anything scandalous for almost a decade which is a miracle considering the ownership - which will be an enormous burden off of whoever the new GM is in their adjustment to what it's like being a high profile figure here. Especially if it's a younger first time GM.
Lastly a sort of under the radar point - Sandy has seen first hand how hard it is to spend money well (namely Wright & Cespedes). I believe Cohen will spend whatever it takes to build a winner but it would be a huge mistake to just start spending a ton of money on older players who may not have much prime left. They need to invest in rebuilding the farm system BVW tried to destroy, scouting, analytics, and spending on the high profile top tier IFA's and defectors. Spend the money on young talent, not aging talent.
RE: mentioned on the other thread but imo this is a great move by Cohen
Sandy is one of the most respected execs in baseball and talented people are attracted to him. The second he was free Beane hired him, Cherrington was going to be his asst gm, he brought in Depo even with the Wilponzis. He will be an enormous asset in the search for next gm and retooling the FO.
He also assembled the scouting and development group currently in place which has presided over every single pitch or at bat all of the best players on the current from the minors to big leagues from JDG to Dom. So he brings tremendous institutional knowledge that literally nobody else would have to make sure they keep the right people in place.
In terms of off the field, he ran the team without anything scandalous for almost a decade which is a miracle considering the ownership - which will be an enormous burden off of whoever the new GM is in their adjustment to what it's like being a high profile figure here. Especially if it's a younger first time GM.
Lastly a sort of under the radar point - Sandy has seen first hand how hard it is to spend money well (namely Wright & Cespedes). I believe Cohen will spend whatever it takes to build a winner but it would be a huge mistake to just start spending a ton of money on older players who may not have much prime left. They need to invest in rebuilding the farm system BVW tried to destroy, scouting, analytics, and spending on the high profile top tier IFA's and defectors. Spend the money on young talent, not aging talent.
Agree with everything you said. I hate Brodie but I do believe he has drafted very well the last two years. Remains to be seen
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
· 8m
Had Alex Rodriguez gotten the team, he told people he was strongly considering and seemed likely to keep Jeff Wilpon in a significant senior role. Now, assuming Cohen gets the team, that type of role may well go to Sandy Alderson.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
· 8m
Had Alex Rodriguez gotten the team, he told people he was strongly considering and seemed likely to keep Jeff Wilpon in a significant senior role. Now, assuming Cohen gets the team, that type of role may well go to Sandy Alderson.
A-Rod would have fucked over Jeff somehow, but he would not have been the competent adult in charge an effective organization needs.
if this move is being done to help offset some of the negativity around Cohen.
I feel like Alderson is universally liked and respected.
Even if it is an advisory capacity I hope Sandy brings in some young, innovative thinkers to head up baseball operations. Between the cancer and his age, not to mention COVID, not sure what he'll be up to.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
· 8m
Had Alex Rodriguez gotten the team, he told people he was strongly considering and seemed likely to keep Jeff Wilpon in a significant senior role. Now, assuming Cohen gets the team, that type of role may well go to Sandy Alderson.
Lol, hey man with the softball from the hint lol
the way these things works I'd imagine Cohen asked Manfred's advice
as he is trying to fill out the front office. I'd also imagine Sandy and Cohen are at least familiar with each other from owners meetings over their overlapping time periods.
I'm sure Cohen's experiences with him were positive and it also wouldn't shock me if Manfred suggested him the same way the Wilponzi's were basically forced to hire Sandy in the first place.
And yes I agree, Sandy being attached helps Cohen's case that he will be a solid owner and not a reckless douche like A-Rod.
I'd also love to see someone really smart like Depo come back into the fold but I'm sure there are others out there all over baseball who haven't been out of baseball for several years now.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Hear Syracuse, St. Lucie and the Brooklyn Cyclones are all included in Steve Cohen’s agreement to buy the Mets. SNY remains with the Wilpons/Katz — for now, anyway.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Hear Syracuse, St. Lucie and the Brooklyn Cyclones are all included in Steve Cohen’s agreement to buy the Mets. SNY remains with the Wilpons/Katz — for now, anyway.
never made sense for Sterling Equities to keep Brooklyn as some on here speculated - doesn't seem like a huge money maker or even a big status symbol.
How many of the relief pitchers Sandy traded for were good?
Zero.Please let Sandy enjoy his retirement,
What exactly were you expecting to get back for 2 months of Curtis Granderson, Lucas Duda, Jay Bruce, and Addison Reed while needing to also prioritize saving the remaining $ on their contracts to prove he could to the Wilponzis?
Unfortunately BVW wasn't a GM he could call and ripoff then.
despise the way BVW tosses away even "moderate" prospects like they have zero value. Villines is a funky RH with excellent pro production. He's exactly the kind of under the radar arm that shoes up in SD or St. Louis and we go "where do they find these guys?". Really dumb.
honestly I'm just pumped about Sandy being back. I have a ton of confidence he will hire someone solid and get rid of whatever needs to be gotten rid of. I also have confidence that he will help Cohen spend his $ wisely investing in the organization effectively.
the base of his capability is what he built amid difficult circumstances his first time around. for the first time in 2 or 3 decades players actually publicly stated they wanted to play here and didn't want to be traded (remember Wheeler at the 2015 deadline - and they were only a .500 team then pre-WS run). They became a model organization of drafting + development.
This time around he will have a lot more resource to work with, likely learned from his mistakes, and will hopefully bring in a creative young GM who compliments his weaknesses.
unbelievable that A-Rod was so spineless he was going to allow Jeff to remain in charge of baseball operations. It's almost as if... A-Rod didn't give 2 shits about the actual team...
unbelievable that A-Rod was so spineless he was going to allow Jeff to remain in charge of baseball operations. It's almost as if... A-Rod didn't give 2 shits about the actual team...
Maybe I'm giving Arod too much credit, but I think he was looking for a way to differentiate his bid from Cohen without getting into a bidding war he couldn't win.
So, it was actually kind of smart by him, pretty much a hail mary but smart.
I'm glad it didn't work, but it definitely made me nervous and will continue to until Cohen is confirmed via ownership vote.
LaRussa was only being mentioned because he was going to be paired with Tellem in 2012. There was no current talk of LaRussa but LaRussa also already has a similar role with LAA and is 75. They wouldn't have hired both.
unbelievable that A-Rod was so spineless he was going to allow Jeff to remain in charge of baseball operations. It's almost as if... A-Rod didn't give 2 shits about the actual team...
Maybe I'm giving Arod too much credit, but I think he was looking for a way to differentiate his bid from Cohen without getting into a bidding war he couldn't win.
So, it was actually kind of smart by him, pretty much a hail mary but smart.
I'm glad it didn't work, but it definitely made me nervous and will continue to until Cohen is confirmed via ownership vote.
Potentially horrendous for the fans.
I would bet a lot of $ that A-rod would have f'd Jeff over as soon as
the deal closed. He would have given him some title with 0 importance or accountability and he would have ended up in the ether of whatever other dysfunction A-Rod created in the organization. A-rod has proven time and time again that he is all about A-rod - and that's how he would have run the team. In his mind he is the sun and everything just revolves around him.
That is why the majority of the owners and MLB will prefer cohen. A-rod's presence as runner up will push any fence sitters towards voting yes on Cohen.
wouldn't blindly keep Rojas. I think he's earned an interview with the next decision maker. I think players should be spoken to about him. I think he should be a candidate. But the new "brain" of the team should be able to bring in his own people 100%. Really hope they keep Tanous/Tramuta.
wouldn't blindly keep Rojas. I think he's earned an interview with the next decision maker. I think players should be spoken to about him. I think he should be a candidate. But the new "brain" of the team should be able to bring in his own people 100%. Really hope they keep Tanous/Tramuta.
Agreed. I also wouldn't mind giving him 1 more season since this will be a weird offseason and next season may not be totally normal either. Then decide after that. Unless of course there's a reason they think they need to go in another direction.
Rojas has mostly impressed me this year and he's honest comments insist to me that he understands the flaws of this team (too many players playing out of position defensively, poor fundamentals at critical spots, lack of quality depth in key places).
Martino is going full-on company shill and people are destroying him on twitter. He gave believing Cano's intelligence would help him age well and Chasen Shreve as the 2 shining examples of Brodie as GM...
Martino is going full-on company shill and people are destroying him on twitter. He gave believing Cano's intelligence would help him age well and Chasen Shreve as the 2 shining examples of Brodie as GM...
lol, thin resume - and holy shit.
I think BVW probably made the Alonso call, which was the right thing and some GM's maybe would have sent him down until Super 2 and JD Davis are about the only 2 positive moves he made outside of the draft.
And I'm not sure the latter was the right move even though he "won" the trade.
the Cano trade for a moment. Brodie managed to trade 10 minor leaguers for Broxton, Marisnick, Hamilton, Frazier, Chirinos and Castro.
BVW was just the ticket taker for Wilpon wishes. Remember Omar's 2nd offseason when he dealt like half of the top 10 prospects at the time for Lo Duca and Delgado? Or Duquette's infamous trade deadline?
The Wilponzi's saw prospects as currency to save money acquiring veterans relative to FA prices and cheaply juice up short term excitement.
the Cano trade for a moment. Brodie managed to trade 10 minor leaguers for Broxton, Marisnick, Hamilton, Frazier, Chirinos and Castro.
honestly I wouldn't mind that if it was all organizational fodder that was traded AND if the Mets did enough from a roster standpoint to contend that they were a defensive outfielder away from a title or a veteran bat or shitty middle reliever, IMO that's partly what the minor leagues is for - to help improve your major league club.
But Jordan Humphreys? No reason to lose him - or some of the others - even if they all amount to nothing.
the Cano trade for a moment. Brodie managed to trade 10 minor leaguers for Broxton, Marisnick, Hamilton, Frazier, Chirinos and Castro.
honestly I wouldn't mind that if it was all organizational fodder that was traded AND if the Mets did enough from a roster standpoint to contend that they were a defensive outfielder away from a title or a veteran bat or shitty middle reliever, IMO that's partly what the minor leagues is for - to help improve your major league club.
But Jordan Humphreys? No reason to lose him - or some of the others - even if they all amount to nothing.
What's worse... if HORRENDOUS Jurado cost Villines, then I'm shaking in my shoes over what Todd Frazier cost them.
was worth 3.9 fWAR his previous... 4 seasons and cost 3+ million. Billy Hamilton (100% awful) settled for a minor league deal with the Giants, The Mets view him with minor league SP touching 96? Not all of them will pan out, most won't but c'mon.
but I honestly don't want to embarrass anyone - I suggested the Mets could be giving up real talent as the PTBNL in these two trades and I was told i was worrying unnecessarily.
but I honestly don't want to embarrass anyone - I suggested the Mets could be giving up real talent as the PTBNL in these two trades and I was told i was worrying unnecessarily.
I'm often wrong but when it comes to Brodie giving up too much I'm always going with the over.
This is from the Managing Editor and co-host of Forbes SportsMoney on YES Network and Assistant Managing Editor at Forbes Media.
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Mike Ozanian
@MikeOzanian
Sources say after Steve Cohen/Wilpon finalize sale, Cohen has 30 days for exclusive bid for SNY. The RSN is worth about $1 bil ($150m equity, $850m debt).
He also assembled the scouting and development group currently in place which has presided over every single pitch or at bat all of the best players on the current from the minors to big leagues from JDG to Dom. So he brings tremendous institutional knowledge that literally nobody else would have to make sure they keep the right people in place.
In terms of off the field, he ran the team without anything scandalous for almost a decade which is a miracle considering the ownership - which will be an enormous burden off of whoever the new GM is in their adjustment to what it's like being a high profile figure here. Especially if it's a younger first time GM.
Lastly a sort of under the radar point - Sandy has seen first hand how hard it is to spend money well (namely Wright & Cespedes). I believe Cohen will spend whatever it takes to build a winner but it would be a huge mistake to just start spending a ton of money on older players who may not have much prime left. They need to invest in rebuilding the farm system BVW tried to destroy, scouting, analytics, and spending on the high profile top tier IFA's and defectors. Spend the money on young talent, not aging talent.
He also assembled the scouting and development group currently in place which has presided over every single pitch or at bat all of the best players on the current from the minors to big leagues from JDG to Dom. So he brings tremendous institutional knowledge that literally nobody else would have to make sure they keep the right people in place.
In terms of off the field, he ran the team without anything scandalous for almost a decade which is a miracle considering the ownership - which will be an enormous burden off of whoever the new GM is in their adjustment to what it's like being a high profile figure here. Especially if it's a younger first time GM.
Lastly a sort of under the radar point - Sandy has seen first hand how hard it is to spend money well (namely Wright & Cespedes). I believe Cohen will spend whatever it takes to build a winner but it would be a huge mistake to just start spending a ton of money on older players who may not have much prime left. They need to invest in rebuilding the farm system BVW tried to destroy, scouting, analytics, and spending on the high profile top tier IFA's and defectors. Spend the money on young talent, not aging talent.
Agree with everything you said. I hate Brodie but I do believe he has drafted very well the last two years. Remains to be seen
@JonHeyman
· 8m
Had Alex Rodriguez gotten the team, he told people he was strongly considering and seemed likely to keep Jeff Wilpon in a significant senior role. Now, assuming Cohen gets the team, that type of role may well go to Sandy Alderson.
@JonHeyman
· 8m
Had Alex Rodriguez gotten the team, he told people he was strongly considering and seemed likely to keep Jeff Wilpon in a significant senior role. Now, assuming Cohen gets the team, that type of role may well go to Sandy Alderson.
A-Rod would have fucked over Jeff somehow, but he would not have been the competent adult in charge an effective organization needs.
I feel like Alderson is universally liked and respected.
Even if it is an advisory capacity I hope Sandy brings in some young, innovative thinkers to head up baseball operations. Between the cancer and his age, not to mention COVID, not sure what he'll be up to.
Maybe Sandy can lure DePo back.
@JonHeyman
· 8m
Had Alex Rodriguez gotten the team, he told people he was strongly considering and seemed likely to keep Jeff Wilpon in a significant senior role. Now, assuming Cohen gets the team, that type of role may well go to Sandy Alderson.
Lol, hey man with the softball from the hint lol
I'm sure Cohen's experiences with him were positive and it also wouldn't shock me if Manfred suggested him the same way the Wilponzi's were basically forced to hire Sandy in the first place.
And yes I agree, Sandy being attached helps Cohen's case that he will be a solid owner and not a reckless douche like A-Rod.
I'd also love to see someone really smart like Depo come back into the fold but I'm sure there are others out there all over baseball who haven't been out of baseball for several years now.
@JonHeyman
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Hear Syracuse, St. Lucie and the Brooklyn Cyclones are all included in Steve Cohen’s agreement to buy the Mets. SNY remains with the Wilpons/Katz — for now, anyway.
@JonHeyman
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52s
Hear Syracuse, St. Lucie and the Brooklyn Cyclones are all included in Steve Cohen’s agreement to buy the Mets. SNY remains with the Wilpons/Katz — for now, anyway.
never made sense for Sterling Equities to keep Brooklyn as some on here speculated - doesn't seem like a huge money maker or even a big status symbol.
Zero.Please let Sandy enjoy his retirement,
Zero.Please let Sandy enjoy his retirement,
What exactly were you expecting to get back for 2 months of Curtis Granderson, Lucas Duda, Jay Bruce, and Addison Reed while needing to also prioritize saving the remaining $ on their contracts to prove he could to the Wilponzis?
Unfortunately BVW wasn't a GM he could call and ripoff then.
the base of his capability is what he built amid difficult circumstances his first time around. for the first time in 2 or 3 decades players actually publicly stated they wanted to play here and didn't want to be traded (remember Wheeler at the 2015 deadline - and they were only a .500 team then pre-WS run). They became a model organization of drafting + development.
This time around he will have a lot more resource to work with, likely learned from his mistakes, and will hopefully bring in a creative young GM who compliments his weaknesses.
Maybe I'm giving Arod too much credit, but I think he was looking for a way to differentiate his bid from Cohen without getting into a bidding war he couldn't win.
So, it was actually kind of smart by him, pretty much a hail mary but smart.
I'm glad it didn't work, but it definitely made me nervous and will continue to until Cohen is confirmed via ownership vote.
LaRussa was only being mentioned because he was going to be paired with Tellem in 2012. There was no current talk of LaRussa but LaRussa also already has a similar role with LAA and is 75. They wouldn't have hired both.
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unbelievable that A-Rod was so spineless he was going to allow Jeff to remain in charge of baseball operations. It's almost as if... A-Rod didn't give 2 shits about the actual team...
Maybe I'm giving Arod too much credit, but I think he was looking for a way to differentiate his bid from Cohen without getting into a bidding war he couldn't win.
So, it was actually kind of smart by him, pretty much a hail mary but smart.
I'm glad it didn't work, but it definitely made me nervous and will continue to until Cohen is confirmed via ownership vote.
Potentially horrendous for the fans.
That is why the majority of the owners and MLB will prefer cohen. A-rod's presence as runner up will push any fence sitters towards voting yes on Cohen.
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My only concern with Beltran was another first time manager, but I like the way he thinks the game.
Agreed. I also wouldn't mind giving him 1 more season since this will be a weird offseason and next season may not be totally normal either. Then decide after that. Unless of course there's a reason they think they need to go in another direction.
Rojas has mostly impressed me this year and he's honest comments insist to me that he understands the flaws of this team (too many players playing out of position defensively, poor fundamentals at critical spots, lack of quality depth in key places).
I didn't see a "report", but I saw a suggestion by one national writer that's what Cohen "should" do.
lol, thin resume - and holy shit.
I think BVW probably made the Alonso call, which was the right thing and some GM's maybe would have sent him down until Super 2 and JD Davis are about the only 2 positive moves he made outside of the draft.
And I'm not sure the latter was the right move even though he "won" the trade.
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I see some reports of trying to lure Cashman away from Yanks. Pass. Give me a fresh face or Theo.
I didn't see a "report", but I saw a suggestion by one national writer that's what Cohen "should" do.
Oh ok. I still wouldn't do it haha.
BVW was just the ticket taker for Wilpon wishes. Remember Omar's 2nd offseason when he dealt like half of the top 10 prospects at the time for Lo Duca and Delgado? Or Duquette's infamous trade deadline?
The Wilponzi's saw prospects as currency to save money acquiring veterans relative to FA prices and cheaply juice up short term excitement.
honestly I wouldn't mind that if it was all organizational fodder that was traded AND if the Mets did enough from a roster standpoint to contend that they were a defensive outfielder away from a title or a veteran bat or shitty middle reliever, IMO that's partly what the minor leagues is for - to help improve your major league club.
But Jordan Humphreys? No reason to lose him - or some of the others - even if they all amount to nothing.
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the Cano trade for a moment. Brodie managed to trade 10 minor leaguers for Broxton, Marisnick, Hamilton, Frazier, Chirinos and Castro.
honestly I wouldn't mind that if it was all organizational fodder that was traded AND if the Mets did enough from a roster standpoint to contend that they were a defensive outfielder away from a title or a veteran bat or shitty middle reliever, IMO that's partly what the minor leagues is for - to help improve your major league club.
But Jordan Humphreys? No reason to lose him - or some of the others - even if they all amount to nothing.
What's worse... if HORRENDOUS Jurado cost Villines, then I'm shaking in my shoes over what Todd Frazier cost them.
I'm often wrong but when it comes to Brodie giving up too much I'm always going with the over.
and sorry the walk and the hit were in the 2nd inning, he struck out the side in the 1st.
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I think he knows he's got just one more start (?) and trails right now in the CY.
@MikeOzanian
Sources say after Steve Cohen/Wilpon finalize sale, Cohen has 30 days for exclusive bid for SNY. The RSN is worth about $1 bil ($150m equity, $850m debt).