Do you pay Barkley this offseason?

And I love SB

In comment 14979390 montanagiant said:

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And I love SB

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In comment 14979390 montanagiant said:

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And I love SB

what if he forces the issue?

After these last 2 injury plagued seasons. If he threatens to hold out, the NYG should tell him to pound sand.

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In comment 14979390 montanagiant said: Quote: And I love SB what if he forces the issue?

See my answer.

What’s Barkley going to do, threaten to holdout, after missing 14 games?

Sb drew a bad hand being dealt to this team. But on what planet do you pay a running back mega bucks coming off a high ankle sprain and torn ACL?

as far as an extension it all depends on the ask. If they can get him under contract in a team friendly structure that's easy to get out of it may be a good idea but I doubt he'd sign for that.

More than likely he will come back to prove he's healthy and extend either in season or at the end of next year.

You move on. It's why a part of me thinks we need to hire a GM from outside the organization this offseason. He won't have the attachment fans here have (which is how we got here in the first place, McAdoodle was right to bench Eli... but ownership listened to the fans who went up in arms because of it). You need to make the cold, calculated decision... that will be better for the team. You can't waste your cap space on a position as fungible as RB.

In comment 14979405 christian said:

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What’s Barkley going to do, threaten to holdout, after missing 14 games?

especially after the Giants make the playoffs.

In comment 14979416 Spider43 said:

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You move on. It's why a part of me thinks we need to hire a GM from outside the organization this offseason. He won't have the attachment fans here have (which is how we got here in the first place, McAdoodle was right to bench Eli... but ownership listened to the fans who went up in arms because of it). You need to make the cold, calculated decision... that will be better for the team. You can't waste your cap space on a position as fungible as RB.

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bearing on resigning him. If it's ACL there's a pretty good chance he doesn't get resigned at all.

Compounding a mistake of drafting him 2nd overall then overpaying him.

That’s what Gettleman will do.

And watch how it develops

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bearing on resigning him. If it's ACL there's a pretty good chance he doesn't get resigned at all.

There is no reason why he shouldn’t make a full recovery.

In comment 14979436 mikeinbloomfield said:

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That’s what Gettleman will do.

This made me laugh and sad at the same time because it’s a lot closer to the truth than we want to admit.

And no

The plan should be to manage this as best as possible to maximize his trade value.

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But Goterps has been 100% right in everything he’s said the past few years with trading Beckham and Barkley

With other guys averaging 1,100 yards from scrimmage per year over 3 years. He has all world potential, but aside from his rookie year, he has not been a superstar. You can’t possibly pay him like one coming of a season where he played 5 quarters.

I love SB but you can’t pay him on potential after two leg injuries.

Won’t be tied to Barkley (or Jones.)

I will say it again now. Quenton Nelson Should of been the pick. This oline is still trash. You don’t draft a running back that high. And where has Barkley gotten us?? 7 wins the last 3 seasons.

In comment 14979468 GiantsRage2007 said:

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Won’t be tied to Barkley (or Jones.)

Agreed, but likely the reason we won’t see a GM from outside the organizations comfort zone. The brain trust will want continuity.

pay Barkley even before the injury. Now it’s not even a question.

18 games in the last two years?! How would he have any leverage?! Nope! You let him play his 4th year to see if he still has it. You could also consider using the 5th year option too. I think he's smart enough to know he will have to come back and prove that he can stay healthy and provide that spark again.

would be a poor business decision.

Hopefully he comes back strong next year and then has a strong 5th season before he becomes a FA. If he's still at top form franchise him for a season and then after that adios.

If he doesn't like being franchised, too fucking bad.

He's the #2 overall pick. How do you even have a choice? If he doesn't get a 2nd contract, it's a monumental faliure. They have to give him a 2nd deal and hope he stays healthy and lives up to it.

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He's the #2 overall pick. How do you even have a choice? If he doesn't get a 2nd contract, it's a monumental faliure. They have to give him a 2nd deal and hope he stays healthy and lives up to it.

Well this is a perfect example of how not to run a franchise (or a business). One of the most valuable lessons is knowing when to cut your losses instead of compounding them.

In comment 14979459 bubba0825 said:

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But Goterps has been 100% right in everything he’s said the past few years with trading Beckham and Barkley

I don't post, but I still read the board. Feel bad for Barkley, but not for the Giants. You make your own luck. That's all from me for now.

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In comment 14979459 bubba0825 said: Quote: But Goterps has been 100% right in everything he’s said the past few years with trading Beckham and Barkley I don't post, but I still read the board. Feel bad for Barkley, but not for the Giants. You make your own luck. That's all from me for now.

Hey, I was curious... did you guys make it out of the Oregon fires okay? Hope all is well.

We are actually moving to Ashland within the next 6 weeks.

In comment 14979510 santacruzom said:

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In comment 14979506 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 14979459 bubba0825 said: Quote: But Goterps has been 100% right in everything he’s said the past few years with trading Beckham and Barkley I don't post, but I still read the board. Feel bad for Barkley, but not for the Giants. You make your own luck. That's all from me for now. Hey, I was curious... did you guys make it out of the Oregon fires okay? Hope all is well. We are actually moving to Ashland within the next 6 weeks.

Fortunately for us it was nothing but smoke for a week and a half or so. Some of my coworkers lost homes, but we love close to downtown Salem so we were never in danger. Thanks for asking.

Congrats on the move. Oregon is wonderful and I'm never leaving unless it's out of this country; who knows that might look like a good idea in a couple months.

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In comment 14979390 montanagiant said: Quote: And I love SB what if he forces the issue?

With what leverage would he be able to do that with?

He's not going to get any kind of a payday until teams see if he is still the same back he was when drafted

He’s coming off an injury. He’s signed for next season, and the Giants will likely pick up his 5th year option, going into 2022. He needs to rehab, come back and put up a monster year before thinking of a new contact.

The following off-season, maybe. The price has to be right. This team obviously needs a lot of pieces, too many for Barkley to be effective right now (well, pre-injury).

I was in favor of drafting Barkley. I live his attitude, his commitment, and his highlights. But they have not translated into wins.

In comment 14979459 bubba0825 said:

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But Goterps has been 100% right in everything he’s said the past few years with trading Beckham and Barkley

Trading Beckham was brilliant(paying him 1st wasn't). Barkley is a weapon that is not a nut job. Getting injured doesn't make terps right.

In comment 14979435 bubba0825 said:

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Compounding a mistake of drafting him 2nd overall then overpaying him.

I think you're right.

Absolutely not. You draft a back in the 3rd round like every good franchise. Then you do it again the following year.

no

In comment 14979416 Spider43 said:

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You move on. It's why a part of me thinks we need to hire a GM from outside the organization this offseason. He won't have the attachment fans here have (which is how we got here in the first place, McAdoodle was right to bench Eli... but ownership listened to the fans who went up in arms because of it). You need to make the cold, calculated decision... that will be better for the team. You can't waste your cap space on a position as fungible as RB.

They need to hire a whole player personnel department outside of organization.

In comment 14979550 Justlurking said:

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Absolutely not. You draft a back in the 3rd round like every good franchise. Then you do it again the following year.

yup.. something like that.. or fourth

In comment 14979550 Justlurking said:

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Absolutely not. You draft a back in the 3rd round like every good franchise. Then you do it again the following year.

i agree that's what i would do and what i would have done.
but that's not what they've done. they drafted a back at 2. DG will have to resign barkley to justify the pick (assuming DG isn't fired). otherwise why draft a back at 2 when your team sucks and is years away from competing?

and even the SB camp will know it.

It would surprise me if they didn't pick up his 5th year option, though. But, the time to talk multi-year extension is on hold.

In comment 14979553 Producer said:

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In comment 14979550 Justlurking said: Quote: Absolutely not. You draft a back in the 3rd round like every good franchise. Then you do it again the following year. yup.. something like that.. or fourth

yup. Good teams have figured this out decades ago.

In comment 14979567 GiantsFan84 said:

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In comment 14979550 Justlurking said: Quote: Absolutely not. You draft a back in the 3rd round like every good franchise. Then you do it again the following year. i agree that's what i would do and what i would have done. but that's not what they've done. they drafted a back at 2. DG will have to resign barkley to justify the pick (assuming DG isn't fired). otherwise why draft a back at 2 when your team sucks and is years away from competing?

DG will not make it to December.

The smart answer is no but maybe management can use the injuries as a way to score a more friendly team deal. Just speaking as a fan this team is already hard enough to watch now with Barkley gone all the excitement of him on the field is gone with nobody on this roster who can even remotely replace that. You guys keep talking about how they need to turn this around with a new GM and cutting SB/DJ but the ownership is the same who is to say it ever gets better.
We could be the 90s version of Detroit crap team that had berry Sanders now imagine that decade if they dumped BS they would have had nothing at all. I know it's not a great argument but for me as Just one fan of the team SB was the only thing I look forward too watching these days.

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I was already on the fence about re-signing him but at this point I don't think we can. Injury aside he just isn't what this team needs right now. His play is not elevating the team (just as OBJ couldn't elevate the team and statistically OBJ had far superior production than Saquon). Taking a RB in the 1st round is a luxury pick and the Giants have been and still are lightyears away from taking luxury picks. Personally I'd pick up Saquon's option year to reduce any leverage but then look to trade out in 2021 and try to recoup some usable value for a team that has a lot of uncertainty and a lot of holes to fill.

Will likely include any heavy incentives in his eventual deal.

or maybe not. If there aren't then there should be stipulations concerning his health.
I though about this while watching him make some very risky moves in the game against Pittsburgh. He puts himself at risk with his leaps over the opponents, but that's why he's the best RB in the NFL.
The Giants will no doubt honour his contract, but revise it regarding the possibilities of future injuries in his career.
Also, regarding the severity of this injury it may put his career in jeopardy, he never bounce back to the way he used to be. I think of Victor Cruz and what his career could have been if he stayed healthy.

I do not play him until I see him play again.

Regretfully, like Engram and Shepherd he is an injury waiting to happen.

Spend your $$ more wisely.

There's a thread with many people comparing his future comeback to Peterson's. Pretty much guarantee he will be the same player

But then, don't want to pay him that way!