He's only 23, he is a tireless worker, and there is precedent for returning from ACL tears, its not a death sentence.
Hasn't iconic stars like Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, Darrelle Revis all done it?
Everyone points to Sehorn, but Sehorn was older, and that was 23 years ago, modern medicine has gotten so much better since then.
Its fair to say it could slow his agility and speed sure, but he is going to bounce back and be a great back next year.
Im jus disappointed its week 2 and season is basically over with zero threat to do anything at RB
The only silver lining is that at least it happened early in the season so it has more recovery time before next year.
Some have dug in so deeply on hating him as a pick, that they were posting while Barkley is still on the turf about how fragile he is, how bad of a pick he was, and how the GM should be fired. For reference, at least 8 posts said Gettleman should have been fired at halftime. I wish I was kidding.
He's a kid people should admire. And I'm guessing that the majority of the fanbase still does, but the vocal minority would have you believe he's a stiff. We just had a post from one guy calling him a china doll who is unremarkable even when he plays.
The rough part is it’s just another prime year for Barkley down the drain.
ACL surgery is pretty routine these days, and he very weel may come back just as good or even better, but it's certainly possible he does not return as the same player.
As far as Jones is concerned, we need to see the rest of the season, but I'm inclined to stick with him even if we get the #1 pick. The NFL graveyard is littered with "can't miss" prospects, especially QBs. We'll know more at the end of the year.
I'm not trying to be a downer. I'm just trying to answer the OP's question about why Saquon might not be the same.
We all know Adrian Peterson.
But also Frank Gore tore his ACL twice before taking an NFL snap. How'd he turn out?
Garrison Hearst tore his ACL in college
Willis MgGahee tore his ACL in the NCAA National Championship Game.
We all know Adrian Peterson.
But also Frank Gore tore his ACL twice before taking an NFL snap. How'd he turn out?
Garrison Hearst tore his ACL in college
Willis MgGahee tore his ACL in the NCAA National Championship Game.
Rashard Mendenhall, Kevin Smith, Ronnie Brown, Deuce McAllister, Edgerrin James, Terrell Davis, Jamal Anderson, etc, etc, etc never rebounded.
I hope Saquon rebounds to the player he was. But the guys you listed are the exception, not the rule. Hopefully due to his physical ability he's one of the exceptions. Even if he is one of the exceptions, he may get close to but never have the explosion he did before the injury, but due to his freakish skill that still may be good enough to perform and compete at the top level of his position.
Crazy to think about being that skilled that you lose a little off the top end and can still be one of the best in the league...
I do think there's reason to be concerned, for sure, but there's equal reason to believe it's possible for him to make a full recovery. My question is whether they pay his option. A smart GM probably wouldn't, but our GM probably would.
Also Edgerrin James had 5 straight 1100 rushing seasons after his ACL, including two 1500 yard seasons. Not sure why
I am going to say Edge is a tweener guy. Yes he gained a lot of yards post surgery, but most who watched him will say he was never the same post surgery. Which is scary to think what he could have been even gaining 10,000 yds post ACL.
And that very well could be the story with Saquon, still very productive, but not quite the same. I think back to the OP, it is not a guarantee he picks up where he left off.
And I think you still pick up the 5th year option, even if he struggles coming back next year. It is relatively cheap, gives him a 'prove it' year and if he has a really good 'prove it' year, great for us.
Do you figure a blown-out knee and reconstructive surgery counts as wear-and-tear?
There’s no good way to slice or rationalize this one. It’s a devastating injury.
The only silver lining I see is that his long term cost may have just came down.
But at this point it appears while he’s an outstanding athlete, he’s just not built for a lasting NFL career:
- On his first, amazing season, he routinely was slow to get up after some tackles and was in obvious pain. I breathed a sigh of relief that he finished the season as I feared a bad injury.
- on his second season he gets hurt early, misses games and doesn’t come back the same.
- On his 3rd season he’s done for the season in the first half of the second game.
Some people are durable, some are not. His game is speed, cutting and turning, not a power back. An acl tear is harder on that than on straight line downhill running. It’s hard to envision him getting back psychologically and physically.
Plus - he’s got a bad Oline blocking for him. Can’t keep him clean and he takes a ton of hits BEFORE he has a chance to build steam, which means the impact on him is bigger (ask any back and they’ll tell you a hit in the backfield is way worse cause the defender hitting has the momentum, not the back being hit).
That’s not to say he can’t return. He may come back and be serviceable. But the rookie year Barkley is likely gone, and the Giants better plan accordingly. Where he was drafted is irrelevant.
Hard and bumming for sure, but reality unfortunately.
Man, when I hear Saquon called a scat-back I want to perform a PSA and urge some of you morons to go get an eye exam. You are likely going blind. If the tests show otherwise, get your cognitive abilities tested.
Using Adrian Peterson, one of the greatest exceptions to the norm in history, is probably not the safest bet.
My buddy Rico is pretty much on point. If it’s just an ACL he should be as good as new, imv. We won’t have to worry about him working hard in rehab, that’s a given for this young stud.
Man, when I hear Saquon called a scat-back I want to perform a PSA and urge some of you morons to go get an eye exam. You are likely going blind. If the tests show otherwise, get your cognitive abilities tested.
Get off his dick fatman. He can't run inside.
Probably can't do anything but dance either, right? He's had two seasons over 1,000 - I'm assuming all those runs were outside?
Why not just say he sucks on Thursday too. Only 113 career yards on that day.
That's just as true as him being a scat-back. Idiot.
They mentioned yesterday there are only four guys on the roster that pre-date DG. This is the team he built and it is bereft of talent up and down the roster. Arguing he has done a poor job constructing this roster is not some kind of extreme opinion.
The surgeon removes the damaged ligament and replaces it with a segment of tendon. The tendon comes from another part of the knee or a tendon from a deceased donor.
The surgeon drills sockets or tunnels into the thighbone and shinbone to accurately position the graft, which is then secured to the bones with screws or other fixation devices. The graft serves as scaffolding on which new ligament tissue can grow.
Patients go home the same day once they recover from the anesthesia. Within the first few weeks after surgery, the patient could regain a range of motion equal to that of their opposite knee. It may take eight to 12 months or more before athletes can return to their sport.
He can’t run inside because they have zero TE’s that can block, and zero speed on the outside at WR. These WR’s scare no one!!
SB is a fiery competitor, if it’s just his ACL he should return just as he was.
Fair or not, Gettleman is tied to Barkley’s future with this team. We all hope he comes back and becomes the weapon we all hoped he would be - and that he was his rookie year. Nobody in the NFL gets evaluated on what seemed like a good idea at the time, only results. So far DG’s results are poor and Barkley is becoming part of that story, like it or not.
Some have dug in so deeply on hating him as a pick, that they were posting while Barkley is still on the turf about how fragile he is, how bad of a pick he was, and how the GM should be fired. For reference, at least 8 posts said Gettleman should have been fired at halftime. I wish I was kidding.
He's a kid people should admire. And I'm guessing that the majority of the fanbase still does, but the vocal minority would have you believe he's a stiff. We just had a post from one guy calling him a china doll who is unremarkable even when he plays.
Excellent post.
For the record, I didn't like the Barkley pick at all (and really, I still don't even if I agree he seems like a great kid).
But injuries happen and he didn't have a significant pre-draft injury history to worry about. The argument that he was fragile and therefore should not have been drafted high doesn't hold up to me at all.
Honestly if folks still have an axe to grind about the pick there are better/more reasonable arguments to be made (but they've been made to death, so what's the point).
The injury risk to RBs is baked into the discussion for why RBs are inherently risky to take so high in the draft, though.
I agree that it's a bit much to be calling for DG's head while SB was writhing in pain on the turf, but conversely it skews a bit apologist to not even acknowledge that injury risk and a shorter prime were some of the reasons why people have challenged the idea of taking a RB at #2.
We were reminded time and time again that those are aggregate numbers and no one player is defined by the trends of his position.
And yet, here we are.
I'm hoping like hell that Saquon recovers and that maybe there's a silver lining in him not taking 300 more tackles this year. I will continue to root for SB with all of my fandom and then some.
It doesn't mean I don't still think DG's approach to building a team is antiquated and inefficient. Those are two separate issues for me. Barkley is a Giant, and I will root for him no matter what for as long as he wears blue. The Giants are unquestionably a better team with Barkley than they are without him.
But to your point here, while there were definitely some fans who were quick to call for DG's head yesterday as a kneejerk reaction to Barkley's injury, there were also some fans who were already formulating this year's excuse for why DG can't build a winning roster here.
If DG has built a roster that can't show some progress this season because of an injury to one single (non-QB) player, then he still hasn't done a good enough job.
A lot of this is chasing windmills on the houses of the fringe idiots. Guys like Josh in the City who was using the injury to crow about how correct he was that you don't pick a RB at #2 and that DG should be immediately fired. With Darnold, this team is obviously a 10-12 win one.....
A lot of this is chasing windmills on the houses of the fringe idiots. Guys like Josh in the City who was using the injury to crow about how correct he was that you don't pick a RB at #2 and that DG should be immediately fired. With Darnold, this team is obviously a 10-12 win one.....
Darnold does look like a super stud - LoL
On Barkley, he will come back 100%. My only concern, and I don't know this, but does it make his ACL weaker overall and more susceptible to do it again?
However, we have seen players blow out the same knee and players who blew out both, so you can never really predict it
They mentioned yesterday there are only four guys on the roster that pre-date DG. This is the team he built and it is bereft of talent up and down the roster. Arguing he has done a poor job constructing this roster is not some kind of extreme opinion.
When they talk about drafts being successful they say you have to wait three years to really tell (usually before every draft they talk about doing a re-draft of the class from three years prior). Don't these positions and your post contradict each other?
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But let’s stop pretending that firing Gettleman is some sort of fan over-reaction. The guy tore down this roster and rebuilt it over the last several years, and you can argue it isn’t any better then when he started.
They mentioned yesterday there are only four guys on the roster that pre-date DG. This is the team he built and it is bereft of talent up and down the roster. Arguing he has done a poor job constructing this roster is not some kind of extreme opinion.
When they talk about drafts being successful they say you have to wait three years to really tell (usually before every draft they talk about doing a re-draft of the class from three years prior). Don't these positions and your post contradict each other?
When Gettleman took over the Giants, they were an older roster full of players who either weren't very good, weren't very good anymore, or who were very will paid for what they were. That's pretty much the worst situation to be in - old/expensive/not good.
Since taking over Gettleman has gutted the roster completely and they now have a very young team filled with young players with promise. That's an improvement. But they still suck overall, and Gettleman's approach has not yielded any tangible results or sure fire super stars (other than Barkley and.... well let's leave that one be).
Personally I don't want the Giants to fire Gettleman this year or next year. Pretty much the surest way to fail is to vacillate between one 'solution' to the next so quickly that you can't even tell what works (RE: The Knicks). The Giants have in the last few years moved on from Coughlin, Reese, Eli, and Shurmur. That's a ton of organizational overhaul and starting all over again would only make sense to me if Gettleman was irredeemably incompetent. I don't think that's the case, and he's got a long resume of success in the NFL backing up the idea that he can build a respectable program if given the time to do so.