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How many games are we going to win now?

royhobbs7 : 9/20/2020 11:03 pm
Last week, some of us more prescient prognosticators were predicting 5, 6 or more Giants' victories this year. Suddenly, Barkley's ACL tear and the inability of the offense to generate much mojo, are we talked 1-2 victories?
If so, we need to revisit the question: If we finish with the worst record in the NFL earning the dubious distinction of obtaining the first pick in the 2021 draft, do we seriously contemplate drafting Trevor Lawrence?
i say  
Producer : 9/20/2020 11:04 pm : link
3 wins
3 wins  
royhobbs7 : 9/20/2020 11:08 pm : link
That might be optimistic. But that might still get us the #1 overall. Not that I'm pessimistic about the NFL career of Danny Dimes. But Lawrence is considered to be virtually a can't miss. Yes, there are other areas which require considerable upgrading (like much of the defense). But the rebuilding of an organization begins with the QB. No?
Priority one....  
thrunthrublue : 9/20/2020 11:09 pm : link
0 and 16 should deservedly end dave g’s time at the tiller. He is tone deaf in drafting fast, game altering talent, he and his faulty stop watch must be gone. Let him make picks like steven baker for some other franchise. And trust in the new g.m. to wisely make the 2021 drafting.
If Jones doesn't seriously improve as the season wears  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/20/2020 11:10 pm : link
on, of course we consider Trevor Lawrence if we have the #1 overall pick.

As well as take offers to move down, which could be a franchise altering haul if we have faith that Jones is (or will become) a franchise QB.

I mean for Lawrence, the price should easily be two 1s and two 2s, no?
RE: 3 wins  
Producer : 9/20/2020 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14979598 royhobbs7 said:
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That might be optimistic. But that might still get us the #1 overall. Not that I'm pessimistic about the NFL career of Danny Dimes. But Lawrence is considered to be virtually a can't miss. Yes, there are other areas which require considerable upgrading (like much of the defense). But the rebuilding of an organization begins with the QB. No?


if Lawrence is there for you, you probably take him.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/20/2020 11:13 pm : link
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My Original Guess Was 6 - 10  
Trainmaster : 9/20/2020 11:14 pm : link
Sep 14 Mon Steelers L 0-1 correct
Sep 20 Sun at Bears L 0-2 correct
Sep 27 Sun 49ers L 0-3
Oct 4 Sun at Rams L 0-4
Oct 11 Sun at Cowboys L 0-5
Oct 18 Sun Redskins W 1-5
Oct 22 Thu at Eagles L 1-6
Nov 2 Mon Buccaneers W 2-6
Nov 8 Sun at Redskins W 3-6
Nov 15 Sun Eagles L 3-7
BYE
Nov 29 Sun at Bengals W 4-7
Dec 6 Sun at Seahawks L 4-8
Dec 13 Sun Cardinals W 5-8
Dec 20 Sun Browns W 6-8
Dec 27 Sun at Ravens L 6-9
Jan 3 Sun Cowboys L 6-10

Could be as bad as 2-14 and as good as 8-8.

Revised:

Probably 4 - 12 overall:

Sep 14 Mon Steelers L 0-1 correct
Sep 20 Sun at Bears L 0-2 correct
Sep 27 Sun 49ers L 0-3
Oct 4 Sun at Rams L 0-4
Oct 11 Sun at Cowboys L 0-5
Oct 18 Sun Redskins W 1-5
Oct 22 Thu at Eagles L 1-6
Nov 2 Mon Buccaneers L 1-7 Revised to be a loss
Nov 8 Sun at Redskins L 1-8 Revised to be a loss
Nov 15 Sun Eagles L 1-9
BYE
Nov 29 Sun at Bengals W 2-9
Dec 6 Sun at Seahawks L 2-10
Dec 13 Sun Cardinals L 2-11 Revised to be a loss
Dec 20 Sun Browns W 3-11
Dec 27 Sun at Ravens L 3-12
Jan 3 Sun Cowboys L 3-13

Could be as bad as 2-14 and as good as 6-10
RE: Priority one....  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/20/2020 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14979600 thrunthrublue said:
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0 and 16 should deservedly end dave g’s time at the tiller. He is tone deaf in drafting fast, game altering talent, he and his faulty stop watch must be gone. Let him make picks like steven baker for some other franchise. And trust in the new g.m. to wisely make the 2021 drafting.


I can never tell if it's booze talking, or just raw stupidity, but if you're old enough to recall Stephen Baker's drafting in the 3 round almost 40 years ago you should be more knowledgeable than this post shows by now, if you paid only a minimal amount of attention.
We need more Stephan Bakers  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/20/2020 11:35 pm : link
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I anticipated an 0 - 4 start: schedule was brutal to start  
SGMen : 9/20/2020 11:43 pm : link
The 49'ers are banged up. Don't discount that. We do have W. Gallman and D. Lewis to run the ball this week and will likely be looking to fill S. Barkley's spot this week.

If we are going to rally it will be this week at home vs a banged up 49'ers team.

I still believe in D. Jones and coach Judge, we could have won both of these games if we had a few breaks, but generally speaking we aren't as talented as either of the teams that beat us RIgHT NOW.
We know for sure...  
morrison40 : 9/20/2020 11:52 pm : link
15 wins is off the board .
How many games are we going to win now?  
Spider43 : 9/21/2020 1:15 am : link
Same as before the season began methinks, six. I actually think we'll have a better running game now. Seriously. But DJ is disappointing me, I'm not seeing the growth I was hoping for or expecting. So this bears watching. If he's not learning from all his mistakes, then we'll be in the running for Lawrence... but we shouldn't be that bad.
I think 7-7  
mpinmaine : 9/21/2020 7:59 am : link
rest of way
3  
M.S. : 9/21/2020 8:25 am : link

or 4.
I'll be stunned if they win more than four games this season  
Greg from LI : 9/21/2020 8:34 am : link
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2-14  
cjac : 9/21/2020 8:38 am : link
If they catch a couple of breaks
4-5 games  
Giants86 : 9/21/2020 8:44 am : link
Until we can prove we can beat Dallas and Philly.
None of the other games are locks? we are so bad now.
Still way too many mistakes in these games.
3-4  
cosmicj : 9/21/2020 8:44 am : link
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fireitup77 : 9/21/2020 8:49 am : link
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They’ll manage to get 2 or 3 wins from these 4 games:  
The_Boss : 9/21/2020 9:09 am : link
Washington (2)
Cincinnati
Cleveland

And you cross your fingers no other team goes 2-14. I want the #1 pick.
Why would the predictions be any different now?  
rsjem1979 : 9/21/2020 9:16 am : link
They're 8-22 with Barkley in the lineup in his career and have been held to 20 points or fewer in 15 of those 22 losses.

Not taking anything away from Barkley, but it's not as if he's a difference-maker in terms of W's & L's. If you're going to revise their win total down now, it would be because you can't objectively look at their remaining schedule and note that neither the Cardinals nor Bengals look like pushovers and you can't predict any better than a split in the division.

Even if you give them 3-3 in the division, there are guaranteed losses vs. SEA & BAL, and likely losses vs LAR and TB. Next week vs SF is an unknown given their injuries, but even leaving that aside, I've got them down for 9 losses with these opponents undecided: SF, @CIN, ARI, CLE.
RE: Why would the predictions be any different now?  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/21/2020 9:23 am : link
In comment 14979852 rsjem1979 said:
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They're 8-22 with Barkley in the lineup in his career and have been held to 20 points or fewer in 15 of those 22 losses.

Not taking anything away from Barkley, but it's not as if he's a difference-maker in terms of W's & L's. If you're going to revise their win total down now, it would be because you can't objectively look at their remaining schedule and note that neither the Cardinals nor Bengals look like pushovers and you can't predict any better than a split in the division.

Even if you give them 3-3 in the division, there are guaranteed losses vs. SEA & BAL, and likely losses vs LAR and TB. Next week vs SF is an unknown given their injuries, but even leaving that aside, I've got them down for 9 losses with these opponents undecided: SF, @CIN, ARI, CLE.


This team is 4-26 without Barkley in the lineup in those games, thats why. There were times when he just put this team on his back his rookie year.

Are we really saying that having a player of Barkleys caliber doesn't have a positive impact on wins? Really?

>= 8  
Bill L : 9/21/2020 9:33 am : link
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Gruber : 9/21/2020 9:37 am : link
Both the Jets and the Panthers may only win 3 each. We gotta be winning more than that, surely.
RE: RE: Why would the predictions be any different now?  
rsjem1979 : 9/21/2020 9:42 am : link
In comment 14979873 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14979852 rsjem1979 said:


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They're 8-22 with Barkley in the lineup in his career and have been held to 20 points or fewer in 15 of those 22 losses.

Not taking anything away from Barkley, but it's not as if he's a difference-maker in terms of W's & L's. If you're going to revise their win total down now, it would be because you can't objectively look at their remaining schedule and note that neither the Cardinals nor Bengals look like pushovers and you can't predict any better than a split in the division.

Even if you give them 3-3 in the division, there are guaranteed losses vs. SEA & BAL, and likely losses vs LAR and TB. Next week vs SF is an unknown given their injuries, but even leaving that aside, I've got them down for 9 losses with these opponents undecided: SF, @CIN, ARI, CLE.



This team is 4-26 without Barkley in the lineup in those games, thats why. There were times when he just put this team on his back his rookie year.

Are we really saying that having a player of Barkleys caliber doesn't have a positive impact on wins? Really?


I'm saying that a RB can only impact a game so much, yes. But yeah, I'll never forget those incredible wins over the Redskins, Bucs and Dolphins.
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RetroJint : 9/21/2020 10:41 am : link
I think they’ll split their remaining games . The Giants were underdogs in their first 2 games . If they win next Sun that will be an upset . It’s not like they are presently underachieving . But they’re going to get better . And losing Barkley doesn’t hinder their prospects that much .
Some scouts  
Torn Tendon : 9/21/2020 12:24 pm : link
Like Ohio State QB Justin Fields over Lawrence
RE: 2-14  
royhobbs7 : 9/21/2020 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14979784 cjac said:
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If they catch a couple of breaks


I agree if they can win home and away against WTF; I mean the WFT. LOL!!!!
RE: Why would the predictions be any different now?  
royhobbs7 : 9/21/2020 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14979852 rsjem1979 said:
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They're 8-22 with Barkley in the lineup in his career and have been held to 20 points or fewer in 15 of those 22 losses.

Not taking anything away from Barkley, but it's not as if he's a difference-maker in terms of W's & L's. If you're going to revise their win total down now, it would be because you can't objectively look at their remaining schedule and note that neither the Cardinals nor Bengals look like pushovers and you can't predict any better than a split in the division.

Even if you give them 3-3 in the division, there are guaranteed losses vs. SEA & BAL, and likely losses vs LAR and TB. Next week vs SF is an unknown given their injuries, but even leaving that aside, I've got them down for 9 losses with these opponents undecided: SF, @CIN, ARI, CLE.


I disagree. It's not so much about what Barkley can or can't do (although he is a talent). It is what the offense can do when other DCs prepare to stop Barkley opening up other aspects of the offense. Teams don't have to run blitz without Barkley in the lineup. Our offensive line is still not good enough to create push for Lewis, Gallman or whoever else they bring in (Dvnt Freeman) to carry the ball. Consequently, that will limit our options in the passing game and place great pressure on Daniel Jones.
RE: Priority one....  
NYDCBlue : 9/21/2020 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14979600 thrunthrublue said:
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0 and 16 should deservedly end dave g’s time at the tiller. He is tone deaf in drafting fast, game altering talent, he and his faulty stop watch must be gone. Let him make picks like steven baker for some other franchise. And trust in the new g.m. to wisely make the 2021 drafting.


Just Gettleman?
I've been dinged here before for being irrationally anti-Chris Mara. Sure, I admit I have no clue what a, "Senior Vice President of Player Personnel" does, but it sounds important.... It sounds like he is involved in picking player personnel in some fashion.... I want the nepotism out of this team! If Chris Mara really is any good as a, "Senior Vice President of Player Personnel" then some other team will be happy to pick him up when he and John agree to respectfully go their separate ways....
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