First of all, when we knew there was finally going to be a season, a lot of the threads said something to the effect of:
“We have a tough schedule. With the limited practice time and the new coaching staff, we will likely struggle in the beginning of the season. As long as we play good football by the end of the year, the results won’t matter to me as I am not expecting much as far as a good record.”
They play the Steelers fairly well. Could have won if some plays went in our favor. They then throw up a first half stinker vs. the Bears. Didn’t help that Barkley got hurt. But they fight back and make it a close game down to the final play. Come up short and I come on here and some of you are saying we’re going 0-16.
Well, don’t you remember what you said just last month? Yes, it sucks SB got hurt. But some of your perceptions are just off. The team will improve as they have a chance to work together. I find it very doubtful we won’t play better football and get some wins going forward.
After all, most of you probably had SF down as a sure loss and half their stars got hurt today. This is the NFL as we know it.
Considering that people were suggesting Judge was going to have a mutiny on his hands for making players run laps (gasp!), I think the fact that the team has shown it's got pride and is willing to play hard is a good sign. And as far as Judge, nothing stands out to me as an example of poor game management.
Things will get better.
I am disappointed in D. Jones for his turnovers. However, it is two games in a new system so I'll hold out hope he gains momentum and executes better.
Losing Barkley sucks but D. Lewis is talented and can hold the fort.
We are in the division race after two games. Lets see if we can beat the 49'ers who are banged up and get on track. It is a real shame Dallas came back today. That is the NFL, comebacks are real.
Considering that people were suggesting Judge was going to have a mutiny on his hands for making players run laps (gasp!), I think the fact that the team has shown it's got pride and is willing to play hard is a good sign. And as far as Judge, nothing stands out to me as an example of poor game management.
Things will get better.
Since you all have no expectation for much success this year, when do you expect this team to start getting Ws? 2021?
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People are screeching about the team going 0-2, when three weeks ago, you couldn't find a single person who thought our best case scenario was more than seven wins. Between the fucked up offseason and the 100% turnover in the coaching ranks, there was never any reason to expect much to applaud.
Considering that people were suggesting Judge was going to have a mutiny on his hands for making players run laps (gasp!), I think the fact that the team has shown it's got pride and is willing to play hard is a good sign. And as far as Judge, nothing stands out to me as an example of poor game management.
Things will get better.
Since you all have no expectation for much success this year, when do you expect this team to start getting Ws? 2021?
Personally I hope for decent football this year. A good draft and a good FA period and we should be ready to compete for the division next season, assuming some young players take steps forward.
2) We may yet win 6-8 games. I think this trial by fire will pay dividends. We're getting 4 straight tests. We haven't passed yet, but at least we're not getting blown out. I thought Pitt might be more like 35-10, and this week we took it to the final play.
3) I think the OL will take time to gel. I think punching in that TD was a big boost today, you could see them play better after that.
4) I think we lack the horses still to go much beyond 6-8 wins. Specifically: DE, WR, RB (now), OLB, and CB.
5) So far, I think DJ is improving slowly. He threw at least 2 balls away today instead of forcing it. His 1 pick was at least in part an EE slip. He's got to reduce pumping it and secure it better, continue to feel pressure and get the ball out. But, let's be fair, he's had virtually no run game, and WRs are not getting much seperation. So, he's under pressure fitting it into tight windows. This adversity will help as he develops. He's going to have to carry this team.
6) Losing SB is a negative. He's a home run hitter. BUT, I will say I wonder if having a guy who will just take the 2-3 tough yards might help the OL. They're trying to gel, are most impacted by no pre-season, and while SB can hit a HR on any play, it might be short term helpful who will have a guy just jam it up where the play was called to go. You could see how fired up they were after the TD on 4th and G.
7) We've had the WORST RECORD IN THE NFL OVER 3 YEARS. We weren't going to come out and shove Pitt off the ball and scare the Bears. What I want to see is improvement. The main ? for me is what is this team in Dec.
8) There are no moral victories. But, the real win today were the friends we made along the way.
Since you all have no expectation for much success this year, when do you expect this team to start getting Ws? 2021?
I adjust my expectations as we go along. What if something crazy happens, like we lose Saquon Barkley to injury? Wouldn't a rational person adjust their expectations in such a case?
SF without Bosa and losing to Az is another team....just not playing as well as we think they are.....
The Giants are becoming the team everyone gets better....
Neither Pittsburgh nor the Bears deserved wins....
Now without Barkley...gives them even less weapons....not exactly going in the right direction
Snakebit.....I am just getting tired of it.
Right now my attention is on Jones and the OL. No single stat is more important than winning the turnover battle. We will never be a good team with Jones turning the ball over 2 plus times a game imo. Hoping that the OL becomes a strong point at the end with the team having its starters identified. Defense has been average but I was hoping for more from the DL with the money and resources spent.
Just because we'd like Jones to be a winning QB by now doesn't mean it will be. New schemes on all sides with almost zero in person interaction before the abbreviated camp & distraction of corona.
We should be looking for baby steps. Such as the OL taking a step forward. As great a player as Barkley is, the Giants developing a good OLine is far more important than Barkley.
I mentioned when Barkley was drafted, he is a big play back, not really a move the chains guy, he s a home run hitter. He will now be replaced by lesser backs, but not incompetent
As to fans, some are just wired in a way that they can’t see past the last bad play or loss; they project going forward based on the bad they have just seen.
It doesn’t help their team has been the worst team in football for the past three seasons, but I don’t understand why they are connecting those seasons to this, “same old, same old”, does not apply here, totally new regime.
My expectations, I ve felt all along, they will continue to improve and at some pt have a winning streak in the process beating some teams you didn’t think they would beat.
For me, I don’t feel the hopelessness of being a bad team with an older quarterback whose best days are behind him, It s a young team with a young quarterback, whose potential is as yet unknown, but there is a chance, a real chance, he s going to get better.
Turnovers were a problem for Phil Simms and Eli as well, but there was greatness there as well
More specifically to the game, it was just disheartening for this team to come out and get shut out 17-0 to this Bear team in the first half. They couldn't stop the run, Trubisky was throwing awful, wobbly ducks that still found open receivers, not getting off the field on third down, no running game as SB gets hurt and Jones with an awful fumble in the pocket yet again.
Glad they pulled it together and made it a game in the second half but it was mostly due to Trubisky errors, not NYG stellar play.
I wish I could feel better about the season and its only mid-Sept.
Yesterday was hard to swallow and not simply because we are again 0-2 but SB going down hurts.
That being said I think they will be OK, getting better as the season rolls on.
2020 can only last so long
What’s the alternative? Serious question by the way.
It sucks watching this team the last few years but I have 2 options - deal with it and watch or deal with it and don’t watch. It’s no different than any other fan base of a shitty team.
The entire “team building” plan was flawed and now we have yet another 0-2 start and lost season. The Maras are still too involved in player personnel. This franchise is the laughingstock of the NFL. There is no reason for any positivity, except it looks like the Head Coach may know what he’s doing as the team seems to play hard for him. But we’ll see how his act works when they’re 0-5.
Just because we'd like Jones to be a winning QB by now doesn't mean it will be. New schemes on all sides with almost zero in person interaction before the abbreviated camp & distraction of corona.
We should be looking for baby steps. Such as the OL taking a step forward. As great a player as Barkley is, the Giants developing a good OLine is far more important than Barkley.
They did not nuke everything until Gettleman is gone.
There were pre-season opinions here ranging from “we can make the playoffs” to “0-16, fire everyone.” The people who were more bearish on the team post more when things are bad, and the people who are bullish on the team post more when things are good. There has been no massive change in fan opinion.
I'm certainly not surprised, and I'm not even upset about it- this is the year we knew we would be facing.
But waiting years to just suck a little bit less is becoming exhausting.
How long before an OL should gel with 3 new players and a new coaching staff and scheme?
And don' even use this COVID preseason as an example. Consider we had a normal preseason with 4 preseason games.
What's a realistic timeframe for us to see a well oiled team?
Maybe I'm wrong.... but I think it is way, WAY too early to be destroying this team the way everyone is right now. Am I pissed that we are 0-2 again? Yeah of course. But I expected this. And I expected to be unsure of what we really have now for like at least half of this season. I am actually shocked that we have been as competitive as we have been so far.
It might not be fair to Joe Judge, but fans have been dealing with this trash football since 2013. The idea that fans should find a way to bury it is odd to me.
Anyway, whatever is said on this forum doesn't change anything anyway. What you're reading is boiling over frustration, obviously. You want people to be reasonable solely because that frustration grinds on your nerves, but everyone is in the same boat.
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Stop pretending to not understand why fans don't have patience at this point.
What’s the alternative? Serious question by the way.
It sucks watching this team the last few years but I have 2 options - deal with it and watch or deal with it and don’t watch. It’s no different than any other fan base of a shitty team.
Practically, I’ve spent zero dollars directly on the team in at least 5 years. Previously I would get to 2-3 games a year, and probably spend another $200 a year on gear as gifts. So I think there is that. When the Giants are better and worth watching, I’ll probably spend again.
I still love live football. I just moved out of the area, but would come back for games if they were worth it. When I lived in CA I would visit most Falls to catch a Giants and Yankees game. The Giants sucking has definitely put a damper on that.
It doesn’t help their team has been the worst team in football for the past three seasons, but I don’t understand why they are connecting those seasons to this, “same old, same old”, does not apply here, totally new regime.
Mostly new. DG is still the GM, and int that changes the Giants will not be anything more than mediocre
It might not be fair to Joe Judge, but fans have been dealing with this trash football since 2013. The idea that fans should find a way to bury it is odd to me.
Anyway, whatever is said on this forum doesn't change anything anyway. What you're reading is boiling over frustration, obviously. You want people to be reasonable solely because that frustration grinds on your nerves, but everyone is in the same boat.
Good points TTH.
these two games have been deja vu of how Giants lose games
that is the discouraging part
& where the fault lay for that? With the GM. Isn't the point of being GM to build up a talented team?
In terms of the talent, while I see some young guys doing more and Thomas looks the part, they still have a handful of key holes yet to be filled. This is where another crop of high draft picks and hopefully some impact additions via UFA will help progress.
The same result over 8 years. The same wrote responses for 8 years. The same delusional belief system for 8 years.
There were pre-season opinions here ranging from “we can make the playoffs” to “0-16, fire everyone.” The people who were more bearish on the team post more when things are bad, and the people who are bullish on the team post more when things are good. There has been no massive change in fan opinion.
This is spot on. Some people perception hasn't changed.
Hard to for an opinion based on a few soundbites, interviews, and limited clips of plays. especially with a pandemic and new staff.
I am not sure how anyone could be surprised about anything this season. It was more hope than anything else..
But he has inherited a poor group of players, let's not kid ourselves.
And the strategy of taking a running back with the #2 over all pick just blew up in Gettleman's face. The front office got it wrong big time in thinking that this team were close to competing, that Eli had one more great season left in him.
to get it right. They also don't know how to win games.
They are trying with a new coaching staff, but they have
so far to go. Their margin for error on the field is
razor thin to win games. That's why people like Jones,
have to minimize mistakes, instead of making them every week.
The reality is the majority of this site knows we aren't a playoff team and having a new coach with an unusual off season meant we weren't likely to "gel" until later in the season.
I for one thought we were a 6-7 win team, but also thought we'd win yesterday so maybe I didn't take my own advice but I'm still staying with my 6-7 win prediction. This team will be better on week 10 than we are now. You can see the signs of better coaching.
I see a young team piecing it together, that really looks better drive to drive. I also see a team you could predict would have major issues at center, right tackle, inside linebacker, corner, and WR depth.
In my view no number of practices, preseasons games, and years of coaching is going to make a winner when relying on guys like Gates, Downs, Fleming, Ballentine, Ebner, Yiadom, Board, Ratley. Have to kick the floor level talent up a notch.
Wins are wins and losses are loss, so yes I do understand the incredible difference between those 2 outcomes as success and failure. But let's look at a similar situation with other teams where logic can prevail over emotion - the Pats and Belicheck lost in a similar fashion, attempting to come back on the road vs. a good defense that's now 2-0. You can be certain there are no moral victories there because they know 1 play is the difference between a ring or no ring, but objectively I think we can all look at that for what it was and say they were in position to win, played a good game, and there's a positive for them to build on with Cam stepping up. Had they won it would have been as ballsy an achievement as you can expected in week 2, and perhaps the positive is that they will win that game next time as the coaches get more in sync with Cam's skillset.
Obviously the Pats have a vast reservoir of good will where nobody is going to freak out over anything in game 2 and this org doesn't (rightfully so). But at the same time they also have expectations whereas we were a pretty heavy road dog yesterday on a day where all 15 underdogs lost. With the lens of where each organization is currently, both teams were on the doorstep of doing something impressive yesterday pulling out last minute wins on the road, both teams came up short, and imo both teams remain in similar statures to where they were entering week 2. The Pats a playoff contender looking to prove they can be a SB contender with Cam. The Giants a rebuilding team with a 2nd year QB that's looking to prove he can lead them to wins over good teams. Both were 1 play away yesterday.