RB Freeman visiting NYG today

leave without a contract.Eagles have Miles Sanders

Don’t we have the same type of back already on the roster Lewis?

but appears to have left his best days behind him. I’ll trust Judge and Garrett on this.

This is like trying to buy toilet paper in March, you get what you can get at that point.

No. Freeman is more capable of playing in all situations.

He’s a solid back is shifty enough and runs very hard. He’s a north south runner and I love his style. I was pissed when I saw he was inactive yesterday guess I was justified.

Hope the coaches correct the mistake and dress three at all times in the future.

I think Gallman is a perfectly fine back.

In comment 14979743 cosmicj said:

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I think Gallman is a perfectly fine back.

The fact 2 straight coaching staffs seem to have soured on him is telling. He seems fine from our view, but there has to be more to the story. Maybe not knowing his assignments.

Either way, he'll get his shot again now I'm sure, but no doubt we will bring in reinforcements to compete too

In comment 14979743 cosmicj said:

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I think Gallman is a perfectly fine back.

Except when is inactive on GameDay when Saquon goes down early...

isn't Freeman. This is a monetary decision- is it worth the investment given the sad state of the rest of the team.

Before DG goes all Gettleman on us and trades a 3rd round pick for Kerryon Johnson or something.

The big knock on him is that he's a fumble machine. Sy cited some stats on him a while ago and it was unreal. Makes DJ look like a piker.

If it happens, Money doesnt matter, its this years spend, who cares, he obviously won't get a 2 year deal

isn't the lead back at this point - what's the point in keeping him?

Maybe I should have asked this question SB could not run behind our line what makes you think Freeman can?

In comment 14979792 Dragon said:

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Maybe I should have asked this question SB could not run behind our line what makes you think Freeman can?

What? So are you saying don't carry any running backs. What's your point?

I get that they might not have any real alternatives but Freeman is just a name at this point.

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What's the point in carrying a backup RB if you don't even use him when your starter goes down? Just play Gallman and Lewis.

RBs "should" be a dime a dozen. There are a few great ones, but outside of those guys they're all the same.

I wonder what Orleans Darkwa is up to. Give Gary Brown a call. Sean Bennet. Keith Elias?

In comment 14979815 Greg from LI said:

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I get that they might not have any real alternatives but Freeman is just a name at this point.

Who cares? At this point, they need a body and he'd be the best able running back we have- by far. He'll probably want more than the vet minimum, and we'll sign someone off of another team's practice squad who we will laud here as a diamond in the rough because spending anything more than the vet minimum with this sad bunch is throwing the money away.

and he will come very cheap. Why not?

cooked or just coming off injury?

Maybe both, but one doesn't necessarily mean the other.

In 2018, coming out of Week 1, he was announced as having a knee contusion and missed the next three games.

Came back for Week 5 and was announced as having a foot contusion that ruled him out for the following week.

Then it was announced that, oh yeah, he's having surgery for a groin hernia and is done for 2018 season.

Comes back in 2019 and is significantly less effective as a rusher, average dropping to 3.6. But he does catch 59 balls.

Also missed two games in 2019 with another foot contusion.

DF - ( New Window )

A better option on someone else’s practice squad. We already have two RB vets on the roster. Rather take a calculated risk on a younger back, particularly one at least decent in pass protection

In comment 14979841 Jon in NYC said:

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cooked or just coming off injury? Maybe both, but one doesn't necessarily mean the other.

Errr, I guess I got my years mixed up. I knew he missed a year but didn't realize it was two years ago.

but his running style and physical makeup is completely different than Gallman's. Freemen is a power running back

In comment 14979837 ryanmkeane said:

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and he will come very cheap. Why not?

Because I think it's pretty clear that this team is not competing for a championship right now - they are re-building. Signing Freeman keeps a player that might be a part of the long term solution from proving they can play and be a piece of the puzzle moving forward.

I hate to say it bc I love the kid - but it's time to start considering the fact that SB will done the tag of "injury prone" and the Giants will have to plan moving ahead as if that is the case.

Bringing in Freeman as a one year (pricey at that) solution doesn't fix the problem moving forward.

In comment 14979781 lugnut said:

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The big knock on him is that he's a fumble machine. Sy cited some stats on him a while ago and it was unreal. Makes DJ look like a piker.

Fumbling machine?

He has carried the ball 191 times and has 6 fumbles half of which his rookie year as a Giant so I would not put him in that category.

In comment 14979711 robbieballs2003 said:

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This is like trying to buy toilet paper in March, you get what you can get at that point.

Right on Robbie.... then after we sign him and he does not look great... cue the DG sucks comments.

I would love for the armchair GMs to let us know who we can get up off of the couch to save our season.

In comment 14979717 mittenedman said:

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No. Freeman is more capable of playing in all situations.

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He's a tougher runner and bigger.
You can't use Lewis for 25 touches per game.
Maybe Gallman finally steps up? We can hope.

He did a nice job filling in for Gurley 2 seasons ago and did not play much last year but only 28 I believe. May be a options as a backup for Gallman?

I think they will bring Rod Smith from the PS though.

In comment 14979742 cosmicj said:

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Hope the coaches correct the mistake and dress three at all times in the future.

I think Gallman does not play on special teams.

Lets give him a go and see what he can do

go with Gallman as others have said, but we do need another RB. I'd just pass on Freeman because I think he's done, and he'll want to much money. But I'd be surprised if they don't sign him or some other veteran. I don't think it will be a rookie from a PS, but that's the direction I'd be inclined to go.

he may very well want a 1 year deal where he can be the focal RB to audition for another contract.

What we do know is he's still a FA and he likely won't get a better opportunity to showcase his skills than by getting starter carries, which he'd get here.

In comment 14979899 US1 Giants said:

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In comment 14979742 cosmicj said: Quote: Hope the coaches correct the mistake and dress three at all times in the future. I think Gallman does not play on special teams.

It surprised me as well, to only have two back there
in uniform. Penny plays about two plays a game too.

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In comment 14979742 cosmicj said: Quote: Hope the coaches correct the mistake and dress three at all times in the future. I think Gallman does not play on special teams.

I saw #22 on STs week 1. Maybe THAT is the answer to the puzzle; he got his chance on ST and didn't do well - not a good thing if JJ is your coach.

Wayne is not a fumble machine. He was an important part of Clemson's championship teams, an all around back who set rushing records for the school and led ALL COLLEGE BACKS (including Saquon) in yards after contact.

Would love to see him get one more chance.

At some point you have to start being mindful of what you can rollover into an uncertain 2021 cap year. If the money is meaningful, would you rather add a meaningful player this year or next? You take a guy like Ryan on 1/6.5M for example — maybe it would have been wiser to add a guy like that next year.

In comment 14979864 gidiefor said:

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but his running style and physical makeup is completely different than Gallman's. Freemen is a power running back

That is news to me. I dont know what he is now, but before the injury he was extremely elusive with that Maurice Jones Drew type of power. Not a power back.

if he is unsigned at this point in the season the $ won't be a big deal. Maybe a little bit over the vets minimum. Last year his YPC sucked but he did have 59 receptions on an impressive 84% catch rate. He is likely better than Gallman but at minimum probably a serviceable 3rd down back who can block and catch and not wear out Lewis. No issues with bringing him in if they like what they see.

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In comment 14979711 robbieballs2003 said:

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This is like trying to buy toilet paper in March, you get what you can get at that point.

Lol no more Scott’s! Anarchy.

I think they just gave his doghouse a paint job,and that was it.

This is a must-sign

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see how this could hurt.

Don't know how to phrase this, but for those saying lets just see what Gallman has, Freeman doesn't help long term, I couldn't disagree with you more.

The importance in this season is growing chemistry in the offense and the offensive line. Even if Freeman is not part of the answer moving forward, if he extends drives with 1 or two more first downs a game than Gallman then that's worth exponentially more to the teams future than the emergence of Gallman as an acceptable backup. Backup running backs are a dime a dozen. I'm not saying to sign him just for the sake of signing him, but if he shows in a tryout that he provides something more than Gallman does, then by all means bring him in. A certain level of competency is needed in the running game in order for the team to grow as a whole, and I don't know if Freeman still has anything left in the tank, but if he does I wouldn't ignore him just to "see" what Gallman can do. He's just not that valuable in the long run.

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This is a must-sign

That’s a surprising take. He averaged 3.6 YPC, 6.9 YPR, and 4.4 YPT last year. All signs of a deteriorating player nearing the end of his career. What did you see last year that popped out to you?

In comment 14980082 christian said:

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In comment 14980063 Sy'56 said: Quote: This is a must-sign That’s a surprising take. He averaged 3.6 YPC, 6.9 YPR, and 4.4 YPT last year. All signs of a deteriorating player nearing the end of his career. What did you see last year that popped out to you?

I'm not Sy, but I do think stats need to be taken in context. Atl was pretty bad last year, this contributed to his stats. As we have seen if the OL is not blocking RB's can't run. He still did get over 1k in yards from scrimmage.

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go with Gallman as others have said, but we do need another RB. I'd just pass on Freeman because I think he's done, and he'll want to much money. But I'd be surprised if they don't sign him or some other veteran. I don't think it will be a rookie from a PS, but that's the direction I'd be inclined to go.

too much money? he is home sitting on his couch lol.. he doesnt really have any leverage to get a ton of moneey...

He missed almost all of 2018 and was rather unimpressive in 2019.

use him

Right now.
He is a violent power back that's gets you the tough yards.
I understand the decision to sit Gallman, he is not a ST player and lewis is.
Gallman will start against the Niners and get his shot and hopefully he shines I have always been a fan.

you'd think being guaranteed the bulk of the carries would be enticing. Then again, our OL is hot garbage, maybe he won't.

kicking around and filling roles even past their prime. There is no downside and most of those players exceeded expectations at their new teams and helped contribute (some even into the playoffs).

Freeman is likely not coming here and leading this team anywhere beyond where it would have gone anyway but he can probably come here and get a few first downs and pick up some blitzes we may not have otherwise. Considering the difference in the outcome yesterday was 1 play, why not try?

In comment 14980082 christian said:

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In comment 14980063 Sy'56 said: Quote: This is a must-sign That’s a surprising take. He averaged 3.6 YPC, 6.9 YPR, and 4.4 YPT last year. All signs of a deteriorating player nearing the end of his career. What did you see last year that popped out to you?

Let me preface this by saying no one will look good the way our line is playing right now. But in Freeman’s defense, the Falcons line was pretty bad last year. Look at Gurley right now, 23 rushes for 65 yards yesterday. If our line starts to improve a bit Freeman would be our best back by a wide margin. Lewis is a rotational guy and Gallman is nothing special.

Gallman all but gave the Patriots the game in 2019, I’m pretty sure Joe Judge would remember that

Heard on podcast this morning that Freeman already turned down a nice offer - didnt say who or how much. Plus, Giants dont have much available to spend since they signed Logan. I doubt Freeman wants a 1 year show me deal. If the Giants are rebuilding, and I think they are, why tie up major bucks on a back like Freeman given all the other needs. And, whatever we think is going to happen to Barkley, they will have to make a decision on paying him going forward pretty soon.

In comment 14980098 Greg from LI said:

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He missed almost all of 2018 and was rather unimpressive in 2019.

The name is attractive I guess since he's a former Pro Bowler, but 2016 seems like a long time ago.

here - the Giants should cut him.

What's the point in keeping him - if you don't think he can do this job...

I don't we'd see much difference win/loss wise with Freeman over Gallman anyway, and we'd just pay more

In comment 14979772 madeinstars said:

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Before DG goes all Gettleman on us and trades a 3rd round pick for Kerryon Johnson or something.

*** and a 2022 4th rounder just to sweeten the deal

He played behind a terrible Falcons OL last year and he was playing on a relatively new contract paying him well. I wouldn’t be totally sold on the idea that he is ‘cooked’.

but no team right now can offer him this much playing time, which plays into a potential contract for him next year. If he sits all year, the offers aren't going to get any better. He may want to bet on himself and, if that's the case, there could be a deal to be had.

In comment 14980124 Eric on Li said:

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kicking around and filling roles even past their prime. There is no downside and most of those players exceeded expectations at their new teams and helped contribute (some even into the playoffs). Freeman is likely not coming here and leading this team anywhere beyond where it would have gone anyway but he can probably come here and get a few first downs and pick up some blitzes we may not have otherwise. Considering the difference in the outcome yesterday was 1 play, why not try?

I think the Giants really need to start considering if they want to bank money on these type of guys this year or next year.

If the cap drops to 175M, every dollar rolled over becomes more important.

we need another everyday back, even if Gallman gets most of the snaps

In comment 14980252 christian said:

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In comment 14980124 Eric on Li said: Quote: kicking around and filling roles even past their prime. There is no downside and most of those players exceeded expectations at their new teams and helped contribute (some even into the playoffs). Freeman is likely not coming here and leading this team anywhere beyond where it would have gone anyway but he can probably come here and get a few first downs and pick up some blitzes we may not have otherwise. Considering the difference in the outcome yesterday was 1 play, why not try? I think the Giants really need to start considering if they want to bank money on these type of guys this year or next year. If the cap drops to 175M, every dollar rolled over becomes more important.

Most of those guys are at or near the minimum. A minimum deal has 0 impact on cap so it entirely depends on whatever guarantees come in slightly above that. Ideally any bonus money being signed at this stage would be tied directly to performance incentives.

had 59 catches last year, first season back from the groin surgery/injury that kept him out all of 2018. I'm not saying he's still really good but he's probably solid enough to make a difference for us. Bring him in.

once you all see Freeman run in his first game, particularly behind our Oline, that you will hate him.

Not sure it matters though.

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surprised they're not interested in bringing back Javon Leake.

We might be, but he's a name, which is why he's getting the attention right now. He's probably not the only guy we're working out.

And while we need somebody to fill in the open RB spot, the fact that Freeman is even available going into Week 3 has to tell you something about his perceived worth around the league.

Your #1 RB is injured and the other RBs move up the depth chart. You sign another RB. If they are signed, they compete, they might move up the depth chart or might not.

This signing would say nothing about Gallman unless Freeman passed him on the depth chart...and if that happened, we should be happy about the signing.

They lost their primary RB for the season. That leaves them with 2. They need another RB. If Freeman is deemed the best available, then sign him. After that, it is up to the coaches to determine the new depth chart.

Usually, the giants try out 2/3 players and pick the best one. And I wouldn't be surprised if they put in waiver claims today that would be awarded tomorrow that if they liked that claim better then what they saw in the try-out they went that direction.

To no one? Who you guys have lined up that’s better?

There is no reason to bring a vet. To do what. Possibly win 4 games so the fans can be happy for a few games. You never know what you can find. It happens a lot.

Or maybe he'll rush for about 700 yards and get everyone talking about having "leverage" over Barkley next year!

In comment 14980862 GManinDC said:

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There is no reason to bring a vet. To do what. Possibly win 4 games so the fans can be happy for a few games. You never know what you can find. It happens a lot. Or maybe he'll rush for about 700 yards and get everyone talking about having "leverage" over Barkley next year!

This is so asinine and completely exposes the clueless posters. You realize that this team is trying to win games, right? No, of course you don’t. You thinks it’s perfectly fine to just say “for what? We suck anyways so screw it!”.

That’s not how it works and I’m sure Judge would like to get this team winning some damn games too.

In comment 14980862 GManinDC said:

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There is no reason to bring a vet. To do what. Possibly win 4 games so the fans can be happy for a few games. You never know what you can find. It happens a lot. Or maybe he'll rush for about 700 yards and get everyone talking about having "leverage" over Barkley next year!

It also helps your young QB, you just cant bring up a practice squad rb and say here Jones go play..

Having a vet back behind Jones will help with his development, having 0 running game will make it near impoasible for him to develop

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PP - Gallman has never shown the consistent power production that Freeman has shown in the past - and comparing their bodies -- Freeman is a much stockier more powerfully stacked body type

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I really doubt they sign him at all. Mort was saying today that Freeman has had several offers but is looking for a big pay day, that’s why he’s still available. He wants starter money and is willing to wait it out.