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NFL Wave of Injuries due to Covid Offseason Program?

US1 Giants : 9/21/2020 9:38 am
The Athletic has an article today speculating that the early season wave of injuries is due to the limited offseason. I don't know enough about training to have an opinion. What does BBI think of this theory?

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The possibility of an early wave of soft-tissue injuries was among the major concerns, from players and league officials, after the coronavirus pandemic forced the NFL to move its entire offseason program online. Players were left to train on their own throughout the spring, in makeshift home gyms or on high school fields.

https://theathletic.com/2081369/2020/09/21/devastating-wave-of-injuries-dominates-week-2-taking-down-some-big-names/ - ( New Window )
2 of my good friends are in medicine  
UConn4523 : 9/21/2020 9:41 am : link
and they say it was going to be a disaster this year especially for RBs and WR's. Trying to go 0-60 from not playing to full game intensity adds even more stress to the human body.

I've never seen anything like what happened in the NFL after 1 quarter yesterday (5 quarters into the season).
I agree  
tator : 9/21/2020 9:43 am : link
My wife has been saying the same thing. Your body cant got from nothing to full contact with no real training and conditioning. The body cant take it and it is starting to show,.
can you really condition the ACL?  
Gordo : 9/21/2020 10:12 am : link
isn't it just a freak injury? If you could don't you think everyone would be doing it?

I can understand muscle pulls/ and achilles injuries. But acl injuries are just bad luck in my opinion.
Putting the non-contact..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 10:19 am : link
injuries aside, I find myself getting very disturbed with the helmet to helmet hits as they are still happening with a decent frequency. Yesterday in the Chiefs-Chargers game, Sammy Watkins was blasted in the head and left the game with a concussion with no penalty being called and it was a play that as he was going down to the turf, the defender jumped into the action headfirst.

That seemed to be a pretty dirty game by both teams. The Chiefs were teeing off on Herbert when he'd leave the pocket. The Bengals and Browns had several head shots.

Even in the Giants game and the Pats game, I saw two different examples of DB's throwing a WR to the ground with a suplex-type move.
don't have the Athletic  
giants#1 : 9/21/2020 10:26 am : link
but are the number of early season injuries more than in years past? What if you compare the 1st 2 games to preseason of previous years?
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2020 10:28 am : link
"let's get rid of the preseason" argument may have taken a hit yesterday.

RE: Putting the non-contact..  
Bill L : 9/21/2020 10:28 am : link
In comment 14980032 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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injuries aside, I find myself getting very disturbed with the helmet to helmet hits as they are still happening with a decent frequency. Yesterday in the Chiefs-Chargers game, Sammy Watkins was blasted in the head and left the game with a concussion with no penalty being called and it was a play that as he was going down to the turf, the defender jumped into the action headfirst.

That seemed to be a pretty dirty game by both teams. The Chiefs were teeing off on Herbert when he'd leave the pocket. The Bengals and Browns had several head shots.

Even in the Giants game and the Pats game, I saw two different examples of DB's throwing a WR to the ground with a suplex-type move.


I guess off-topic...with the caveat that I've only seen the Giants games, it feels like much less of anything is being called this year. Is that true?
Bill..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 10:32 am : link
there are still more than half of the teams in the league without an offensive holding penalty (the Giants being one of them). In fact, it has been called only 14 times all season. Last year teams averaged 1.7 offensive holding calls PER GAME!!

Oddly, OPI has been called at a higher rate. DPI and defensive holding are being called a little lower than last year. But overall, flags are down by more than 50% vs. games last season. I'm fine with that as long as it stays consistent.
RE: the  
BleedBlue : 9/21/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14980051 Eric from BBI said:
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"let's get rid of the preseason" argument may have taken a hit yesterday.


100%
I could see soft tissue injuries...  
GMen72 : 9/21/2020 10:55 am : link
but blown knees? That's doubtful.
I'm not sure..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 10:59 am : link
the preseason games would have prevented this.

Critical injuries have been part of the game for several seasons now. It is more about the size and speed on the players. Look at the list of players that have missed significant time in recent previous years.

- Bradley Chubb
- Dalvin Cook
- Guice
- McKinnon
- Watt
- Big Ben
- Kerryon Johnson
- AJ Green
- Kwon Alexander
- Dissly
- Lamar Miller
RE: Bill..  
jlukes : 9/21/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 14980060 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there are still more than half of the teams in the league without an offensive holding penalty (the Giants being one of them). In fact, it has been called only 14 times all season. Last year teams averaged 1.7 offensive holding calls PER GAME!!

Oddly, OPI has been called at a higher rate. DPI and defensive holding are being called a little lower than last year. But overall, flags are down by more than 50% vs. games last season. I'm fine with that as long as it stays consistent.

https://www.nfl.com/news/referees-focusing-on-clear-and-obvious-calls-as-penalties-drop - ( New Window )
lukes..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 11:04 am : link
I love that!! Call the egregious shit and leave the rest alone. Why it has taken this long - I have no idea.
supposedly  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/21/2020 11:04 am : link
this was a similar result in the strike year

the whole camp pre-season process evolved over the years because it more or less worked. Not surprising that abandoning it would have an impact.
RE: I'm not sure..  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2020 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14980117 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the preseason games would have prevented this.

Critical injuries have been part of the game for several seasons now. It is more about the size and speed on the players. Look at the list of players that have missed significant time in recent previous years.

- Bradley Chubb
- Dalvin Cook
- Guice
- McKinnon
- Watt
- Big Ben
- Kerryon Johnson
- AJ Green
- Kwon Alexander
- Dissly
- Lamar Miller


I have no science to back this up. But for decades I've heard coaches talk about the difference between "being in shape" and "football shape", which includes slowly getting used to the pounding. SOTI told me years ago that injuries were beginning to mount not just because of overtraining but because camps were getting softer and players getting less contact (seems counter intuitive but he predicted it).

Yesterday was a blood bath around the league.
Eric..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 12:47 pm : link
I understand that point. Just that it seems like every year we have that week that is an unfortunate run of injuries to key players around the league.

Whether it happens in preseason or the regular season isn't too much of a relief for those guys who get injured.

There's also a pretty strong correlation to PED use, but lets not open that can of worms.
Tell  
SoZKillA : 9/21/2020 12:51 pm : link
me again why they didn't have 1 or 2 PS games???
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