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Did the NFL Get Rid of the Removing Helmet Rule?

FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 10:30 am
There were two occasions yesterday(I saw) where players voluntarily removed their helmet without getting a flag. Did the NFL take that rule off the books?

On a 3rd down sack of Jones, Hicks not only took his helmet off, but then saluted the defensive backs. Not only was there no flag, but the announcers seemed to approve of his move.

In the MNF game, one of the Seahawks removed his helmet after scoring a TD and Collinsworth asked why there wasn't a penalty for doing so, which indicates to me that the rule is still on the books.

If it is - how do you miss those calls?
Tyreek Hill  
pjcas18 : 9/21/2020 10:32 am : link
did it too and it wasn't called and the commentators noted it in that game as well.
I was wondering that myself after Hicks did it  
Greg from LI : 9/21/2020 10:33 am : link
Haven't seen anyone do that and not draw a flag in a long, long time.
When asked Hill  
Bubba : 9/21/2020 10:33 am : link
actually said ne did not remove his helmet. He took credit for the TD however.
RE: When asked Hill  
pjcas18 : 9/21/2020 10:35 am : link
In comment 14980065 Bubba said:
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actually said ne did not remove his helmet. He took credit for the TD however.


So his helmet just came off his head somehow?
Here is a video of Tyreek Hill  
pjcas18 : 9/21/2020 10:38 am : link
and this was big b/c it would have pushed KC back and impacted their 2 point try and maybe forced them to go for 1.

You judge for yourself:
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NFL officiating is beyond understanding  
Mike from Ohio : 9/21/2020 12:07 pm : link
It makes no sense to try to make sense of it. They randomly enforce and fail to enforce rules from week to week. Because it happened so many times yesterday means it is another rule on the book the refs just choose to interpret differently.
The rule was instituted  
HomerJones45 : 9/21/2020 12:21 pm : link
so guys were not removing helmets in the middle of a fight or trying to use it as a weapon. That was not the case in any of those instances. Pettyfogging application of the rules is just as bad as no application of the rules.
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christian : 9/21/2020 12:24 pm : link
The only time a flag should be thrown is if a player is mixing it up and takes their hat off. You want to talk about idiotic rules in sports, a guy scores, is walking to the sideline, takes off his helmet. That’s a penalty? Get outa here.
That rule is BS  
Gordo : 9/21/2020 12:28 pm : link
OBJ got flagged for taking his helmet off after he scored against the Ravens in '16. I remember it because he just scored, and was running down the sidelines back to the bench and they threw the flag. Hill's was much worse honestly.
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RE: Here is a video of Tyreek Hill  
shyster : 9/21/2020 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14980073 pjcas18 said:
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and this was big b/c it would have pushed KC back and impacted their 2 point try and maybe forced them to go for 1.

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The penalty would be assessed on the kickoff.

I remember because OBJ got flagged for it after his long fourth down TD reception vs the Ravens in 2016, and Harbaugh ran down the sidelines to argue that the penalty should be assessed on the extra point.

OBJ was out of the back of the end zone when he took his helmet off and was still called for it.

For those saying the penalty "shouldn't" be called in those situations, sure, you can argue that, but the point is the lack of consistency when there has been no rule change.
RE: RE: Here is a video of Tyreek Hill  
pjcas18 : 9/21/2020 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14980282 shyster said:
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In comment 14980073 pjcas18 said:


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and this was big b/c it would have pushed KC back and impacted their 2 point try and maybe forced them to go for 1.

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The penalty would be assessed on the kickoff.

I remember because OBJ got flagged for it after his long fourth down TD reception vs the Ravens in 2016, and Harbaugh ran down the sidelines to argue that the penalty should be assessed on the extra point.

OBJ was out of the back of the end zone when he took his helmet off and was still called for it.

For those saying the penalty "shouldn't" be called in those situations, sure, you can argue that, but the point is the lack of consistency when there has been no rule change.


It's up to the Chargers if it's assessed on the kick-off or the point after attempt.

Why would they opt to have it on the KO when they were up 2? Why wouldn't they move the Chiefs back 15 yards?
RE: RE: RE: Here is a video of Tyreek Hill  
shyster : 9/21/2020 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14980288 pjcas18 said:
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It's up to the Chargers if it's assessed on the kick-off or the point after attempt.

Why would they opt to have it on the KO when they were up 2? Why wouldn't they move the Chiefs back 15 yards?


Do you have a rule cite for that?

Just asking before I go check it myself.

Harbaugh certainly made clear what his choice would be if he had one before the Giants kicked the XP. It was the difference between the Ravens being 3 or 4 points behind with a minute left.

And penalty was assessed on the kickoff.
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giants#1 : 9/21/2020 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14980270 christian said:
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The only time a flag should be thrown is if a player is mixing it up and takes their hat off. You want to talk about idiotic rules in sports, a guy scores, is walking to the sideline, takes off his helmet. That’s a penalty? Get outa here.


This.
RE: The rule was instituted  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14980262 HomerJones45 said:
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so guys were not removing helmets in the middle of a fight or trying to use it as a weapon. That was not the case in any of those instances. Pettyfogging application of the rules is just as bad as no application of the rules.

What?? The rule was instituted so players wouldn't showboat.

It has been referred to as the Emmitt Smith rule for years.
Michael  
pjcas18 : 9/21/2020 1:01 pm : link
Westbrook got the flag against the Giants in the infamously boring Sunday Night tie 7 - 7 in 1997 (?).

A lot happened in this boring game.

Also known as the Gus Frerrotte game where he broke his neck headbutting the end zone padding and Jeff Hostetler had to come in to relieve Frerrotte.

Also known as the first and only NFL game my wife (then girlfriend) will ever attend in person.

In OT with time winding down the Skins were at the edge of FG range and a ref called no catch on a diving attempt by Westbrook and he took off his helmet to yell at the ref and drew the 15 yard flag and moved the skins well out of FG range.

it's not just called for fights, etc.
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shyster : 9/21/2020 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14980292 shyster said:
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In comment 14980288 pjcas18 said:


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It's up to the Chargers if it's assessed on the kick-off or the point after attempt.

Why would they opt to have it on the KO when they were up 2? Why wouldn't they move the Chiefs back 15 yards?



Do you have a rule cite for that?

Just asking before I go check it myself.

Harbaugh certainly made clear what his choice would be if he had one before the Giants kicked the XP. It was the difference between the Ravens being 3 or 4 points behind with a minute left.

And penalty was assessed on the kickoff.


You are correct. Rule was changed before the 2019 season to allow the choice.
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Here's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 1:05 pm : link
the things you cannot remove it for:
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You cannot take your helmet off as part of a celebration, a demonstration, or as part of a confrontation with an opponent or a game official.


Not sure where the confusion over just using it as a weapon is from. I think we've seen that happen once in the past several years.
Yes, it was motivated by Emmitt Smtih ripping his helmet off after TDs  
Greg from LI : 9/21/2020 1:09 pm : link
so he could mug for the cameras. I can't recall anyone attacking another player with a helmet until Myles Garrett last year.
The Falcons  
pjcas18 : 9/21/2020 1:12 pm : link
had a player flagged for removing his helmet while injured.

I thought that was over the top, but it's never been what some people on here think.

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...Atlanta Falcons safety Keanu Neal suffered a season-ending injury for the second consecutive year after tearing his left Achilles against the Colts Sunday night. Neal was flagged on the play because he took his helmet off while on the field, and well, that penalty stinks....


Maybe you think the rule is dumb or should be changed, but it is a rule on the books that is enforced inconsistently - and that creates problems when you enforce rules inconsistently.
RE: The rule was instituted  
Matt M. : 9/21/2020 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14980262 HomerJones45 said:
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so guys were not removing helmets in the middle of a fight or trying to use it as a weapon. That was not the case in any of those instances. Pettyfogging application of the rules is just as bad as no application of the rules.
It doesn't matter. A rule is a rule. And for years, they have thrown a flag for any instance of a player removing his helmet on the field. Didn't OBJ get flagged for doing so off the field of play or end zone?
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