#Giants WR Sterling Shepard, knocked out yesterday with a toe injury, is believed to be dealing with turf toe, source said. He’ll have an MRI today, but that’s an ailment that generally causes a WR to miss some time.
I didn't think it'd be lower leg injury that put him down, but I came into the season thinking it'd be the concussions that sidelined him. With Tate as the other slot guy, I was hoping Coleman was going to be the 4th WR knowing that he'd get plenty of PT especially with the high probability Shep would get hurt. Plus he added a much different dynamic than Shep and Tate.
I will say CJ looked ok out there yesterday, so we'll see how he progresses with what should be more action now.
I'd imagine he doesn't have the intangibles they preferred in the backup WR's and has been diva-ish in his career but he has also been dangerous with the ball in his hands and made plays downfield. More than Shep probably.
honestly Shep is a solid player but he is always hurt and Tate is probably better than him anyway.
Put Coleman and Slayton on the outside and Tate in the slot, and I really don't think anything is worse.
^This. If he's going to miss more than a few weeks, I'd put him on IR and resign Coleman. As others have said, that's an injury that lingers. He was really limping yesterday.
WR depth was always an issue. You’ve got an older guy in Tate and a guy who gets banged up a lot in Shepard. I was pretty disappointed seeing the group that came out of camp.
I'd imagine he doesn't have the intangibles they preferred in the backup WR's and has been diva-ish in his career but he has also been dangerous with the ball in his hands and made plays downfield. More than Shep probably.
Coleman in his 4 year career has 61 catches with 5 TD's. With 2 catches over 40 yards. He hasn't exactly made a ton of big plays or been that dangerous.
In comparison, Shep has 17 TD's. With 6 catches of 40+ yards
Do people just make shit up?
RE: RE: Coleman has also made big plays on an NFL field
I'd imagine he doesn't have the intangibles they preferred in the backup WR's and has been diva-ish in his career but he has also been dangerous with the ball in his hands and made plays downfield. More than Shep probably.
Coleman in his 4 year career has 61 catches with 5 TD's. With 2 catches over 40 yards. He hasn't exactly made a ton of big plays or been that dangerous.
In comparison, Shep has 17 TD's. With 6 catches of 40+ yards
This is why we should NEVER get excited about any new acquisition. It's not that it may happen, it's only a question of when with the Giants. Of course our least favorites are always protected.
I'd imagine he doesn't have the intangibles they preferred in the backup WR's and has been diva-ish in his career but he has also been dangerous with the ball in his hands and made plays downfield. More than Shep probably.
Coleman in his 4 year career has 61 catches with 5 TD's. With 2 catches over 40 yards. He hasn't exactly made a ton of big plays or been that dangerous.
In comparison, Shep has 17 TD's. With 6 catches of 40+ yards
Do people just make shit up?
This. Plus Coleman lasted what, 2 weeks, in New England while Judge was a coach for the Pats. Judge may feel like he has some information here...
average when he plays and always hurt. i was against resigning him at the time and wanted them to try and trade him the NE or another team. he's not the kind of player you pay as he's not a difference maker on the field
I'd imagine he doesn't have the intangibles they preferred in the backup WR's and has been diva-ish in his career but he has also been dangerous with the ball in his hands and made plays downfield. More than Shep probably.
Coleman in his 4 year career has 61 catches with 5 TD's. With 2 catches over 40 yards. He hasn't exactly made a ton of big plays or been that dangerous.
In comparison, Shep has 17 TD's. With 6 catches of 40+ yards
Do people just make shit up?
Sigh. Coleman has barely played the past 3 years so I have no idea how good he is or isn't at this point but I do know quoting volume metrics is unlikely to work out in his favor.
YPC however tells a different story
Shepard career - 11.5
Coleman career - 12.9
Also none of the 40+ yard receptions you speak of from Shep came last year or this year and his YPC last year was the worst of his career at 10.1, which is quite poor for a WR even in the slot.
On the seemingly rare occasions he's been healthy Shepard has set a low enough bar in terms of downfield productivity that I do think Corey Coleman off ACL surgery (or possibly even Ratley/Board) could exceed it because by your chosen metric the next player on the team who catches a ball 40 yards downfield will have caught more than Shepard since 2018.
my "chosen metric". The assertion was that Coleman is dangerous with the ball and makes more downfield plays. "More than Shepard"
Shepard has more than twice the number of TD's as Coleman and three times the number of "downfield plays".
There's no reason to make a post like that. Even if one were to consider it a wash, exactly what danger has Coleman shown downfield?
At least Shep has a 77 yard reception on his resume. Coleman's longest play is 58 yards.
It isn't about metrics - it is pointing out a shitty take.
Did Coleman look relatively dangerous with the ball in his hands when he returned kicks here in his brief stint in 2018? On 23 returns he averaged 26 yards per return which would put him top 5 right now and his long was 51 yards - longer than any play Shepard made last year.
I like Shepard - my only point around him is that even healthy he had limitations. Read my initial post in this very thread. Tate in the slot will likely be an upgrade and it also shouldn't be hard to find a better downfield threat with whoever steps in on the outside (whether it's Coleman or someone else - Coleman just happened to have a good camp here and in his short run showed explosiveness as a return man).
If Shepard is out for four or so weeks too, or very limited, well this offense will likely struggle mightily in the weeks ahead. Injuries suck but we don't have the youth that can step up.
it is a dislocated toe that can involve ligament damage.
It really limits cutting and stopping quickly, especially if it is the big toe
He's going on IR as is Barkley. They will add players to the roster at least 1 WR. It could be someone recently released as well. It's possible this opens a door for Coleman if he'd consider it.
I have it in both feet and it just never gets better. I mean it doesn't bother me that much anymore, but thats because I'm not out running around everyday.
It really limits cutting and stopping quickly, especially if it is the big toe
anyone who says this is an idiot.
Barkley: High ankle and torn ACL
These are terrible, lingering, season-ending and career altering type injuries.
Nice.
Thomas got hurt too this year.
I didn't think it'd be lower leg injury that put him down, but I came into the season thinking it'd be the concussions that sidelined him. With Tate as the other slot guy, I was hoping Coleman was going to be the 4th WR knowing that he'd get plenty of PT especially with the high probability Shep would get hurt. Plus he added a much different dynamic than Shep and Tate.
I will say CJ looked ok out there yesterday, so we'll see how he progresses with what should be more action now.
Put Coleman and Slayton on the outside and Tate in the slot, and I really don't think anything is worse.
Put Coleman and Slayton on the outside and Tate in the slot, and I really don't think anything is worse.
This is my hope as well. I know they have Mack, Dillon and Victor on the PS, but Coleman's a vet and he's fast. Also would help on KRs.
Put Coleman and Slayton on the outside and Tate in the slot, and I really don't think anything is worse.
^This. If he's going to miss more than a few weeks, I'd put him on IR and resign Coleman. As others have said, that's an injury that lingers. He was really limping yesterday.
I know that you're just trying to be funny, but "turf" actually refers to grass and the soil beneath it.
That's why they call the fake stuff "artificial turf".
Isn't that a good thing? If the ligament is intact he should heal faster.
We paid Golden Tate and Sterling Shepard as impact players. 2 slot WRs as our starters.
Not good. Useful players, but you should be able to find what guys like Tate/Shepard provide in the bargain bin.
Coleman in his 4 year career has 61 catches with 5 TD's. With 2 catches over 40 yards. He hasn't exactly made a ton of big plays or been that dangerous.
In comparison, Shep has 17 TD's. With 6 catches of 40+ yards
Do people just make shit up?
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I'd imagine he doesn't have the intangibles they preferred in the backup WR's and has been diva-ish in his career but he has also been dangerous with the ball in his hands and made plays downfield. More than Shep probably.
Coleman in his 4 year career has 61 catches with 5 TD's. With 2 catches over 40 yards. He hasn't exactly made a ton of big plays or been that dangerous.
In comparison, Shep has 17 TD's. With 6 catches of 40+ yards
Do people just make shit up?
yes.
In comment 14980136 Chris684 said:
Barkley: High ankle and torn ACL
These are terrible, lingering, season-ending and career altering type injuries.
Nice.
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I'd imagine he doesn't have the intangibles they preferred in the backup WR's and has been diva-ish in his career but he has also been dangerous with the ball in his hands and made plays downfield. More than Shep probably.
Coleman in his 4 year career has 61 catches with 5 TD's. With 2 catches over 40 yards. He hasn't exactly made a ton of big plays or been that dangerous.
In comparison, Shep has 17 TD's. With 6 catches of 40+ yards
Do people just make shit up?
This. Plus Coleman lasted what, 2 weeks, in New England while Judge was a coach for the Pats. Judge may feel like he has some information here...
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I'd imagine he doesn't have the intangibles they preferred in the backup WR's and has been diva-ish in his career but he has also been dangerous with the ball in his hands and made plays downfield. More than Shep probably.
Coleman in his 4 year career has 61 catches with 5 TD's. With 2 catches over 40 yards. He hasn't exactly made a ton of big plays or been that dangerous.
In comparison, Shep has 17 TD's. With 6 catches of 40+ yards
Do people just make shit up?
Sigh. Coleman has barely played the past 3 years so I have no idea how good he is or isn't at this point but I do know quoting volume metrics is unlikely to work out in his favor.
YPC however tells a different story
Shepard career - 11.5
Coleman career - 12.9
Also none of the 40+ yard receptions you speak of from Shep came last year or this year and his YPC last year was the worst of his career at 10.1, which is quite poor for a WR even in the slot.
On the seemingly rare occasions he's been healthy Shepard has set a low enough bar in terms of downfield productivity that I do think Corey Coleman off ACL surgery (or possibly even Ratley/Board) could exceed it because by your chosen metric the next player on the team who catches a ball 40 yards downfield will have caught more than Shepard since 2018.
Shepard has more than twice the number of TD's as Coleman and three times the number of "downfield plays".
There's no reason to make a post like that. Even if one were to consider it a wash, exactly what danger has Coleman shown downfield?
At least Shep has a 77 yard reception on his resume. Coleman's longest play is 58 yards.
It isn't about metrics - it is pointing out a shitty take.
Shepard has more than twice the number of TD's as Coleman and three times the number of "downfield plays".
There's no reason to make a post like that. Even if one were to consider it a wash, exactly what danger has Coleman shown downfield?
At least Shep has a 77 yard reception on his resume. Coleman's longest play is 58 yards.
It isn't about metrics - it is pointing out a shitty take.
Did Coleman look relatively dangerous with the ball in his hands when he returned kicks here in his brief stint in 2018? On 23 returns he averaged 26 yards per return which would put him top 5 right now and his long was 51 yards - longer than any play Shepard made last year.
I like Shepard - my only point around him is that even healthy he had limitations. Read my initial post in this very thread. Tate in the slot will likely be an upgrade and it also shouldn't be hard to find a better downfield threat with whoever steps in on the outside (whether it's Coleman or someone else - Coleman just happened to have a good camp here and in his short run showed explosiveness as a return man).
Just ugly.
It really limits cutting and stopping quickly, especially if it is the big toe
I have it in both feet and it just never gets better. I mean it doesn't bother me that much anymore, but thats because I'm not out running around everyday.