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M.S. : 9/21/2020 11:15 am
Which is not a sample one would want to hang their hat on, but it is at least mildly surprising that we are 5th in the league right now on average yards allowed per game (326.5)

Sure hasn't felt that way!

Only the Colts, Ravens, Steelers and Saints are better so far.

At the other end of the spectrum -- and certainly no help to our defense -- is our rushing attack which is way dead last in the NFL at 52.0 yards a game. No one is close to that dismal stat.

At least we can say the Giants have been competitive, and didn't quit on their coach nor themselves after two weeks.

Perhaps by season's end, we'll all be singing the lyrics from the Grateful Dead song, "Truckin'":

Sometimes the light's all shinin' on me,
Other times I can barely see
Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip it's been
Defense has been better than expected  
nygiants16 : 9/21/2020 11:17 am : link
Need another corner, i think the slot is taken care of between ryan and holmes..

If rewatch those 2 10 yard gains by montgonery on the last drive, Lawrence and Williams were not in, as soon aa they came back they stuffed the run
our front 7 is better than its been in years  
islander1 : 9/21/2020 11:21 am : link
this isn't saying much because we've had trash linebackers forever.

With even just McKinney back there to help our secondary might have half a prayer.
Most of our rushing yards have come from Jones scrambling too  
mfsd : 9/21/2020 11:23 am : link
ugly

As for the defense, there's some positives. No blatant blown secondary coverages to allow easy 60 yard TDs (sad that stands out as a positive, but it's a huge improvement over last few years)

Running defense has been OK, but has gotten gashed at bad times, like the Bears last drive yesterday.

We've gotten pretty good pressure despite rarely rushing more than 3-4 a play
The run defense  
Capt. Don : 9/21/2020 11:25 am : link
has been disappointing as it was the only thing I thought we would be able to hang our hat on, defensively.

Benny Snell gashed us and when we needed stops against the run, David Montgomery was able to get chunk yardage on that last drive.

On the flip side, I never thought Bradberry was a star but even without his spectacular interception yesterday, he has earned his money so far.
Its felt this way to me  
PatersonPlank : 9/21/2020 11:26 am : link
On the game threads and other threads I find myself constantly defending the defense. I think they are playing well. Yesterday they gave up 14 pts on the road, and only 7 after the first drive, none in the 2nd half. Plus they stopped them late in the game and gave our offense a chance to win (when was the last time we did that)!

Some will say the Bears stink, but I don't believe that. They score like 26 on the Lions the week before. Plus we were stout against the Steelers until we ran out of gas
They did a nice job in the 2nd half yesterday  
Chris684 : 9/21/2020 11:28 am : link
They would have gotten the ball back with more time if not for that flukey tip to Massie on 4th down.
RE: The run defense  
mfsd : 9/21/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 14980175 Capt. Don said:
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has been disappointing as it was the only thing I thought we would be able to hang our hat on, defensively.

Benny Snell gashed us and when we needed stops against the run, David Montgomery was able to get chunk yardage on that last drive.

On the flip side, I never thought Bradberry was a star but even without his spectacular interception yesterday, he has earned his money so far.


Yup Bradberry's been great so far, Martinez has been good, Carter looks like he's taken a step up.

I think the other OLB spot has been really weak. Fackrell was active early yesterday, but overall he, Ximenes and Golden have done nothing (and at times, clearly blown off the ball during those drives you refer to when we needed to stop the run)
Boneheaded rotation in the last defensive drive  
aGiantGuy : 9/21/2020 11:31 am : link
I really don’t get why in God’s green earth they decided to give BJ Hill and Austin Johnson playing time in the most important drive against the Bears. Our offense had just sustained a long drive, there’s no way our starting dl was tired, it made absolutely no sense and Montgomery was averaging at least 8 yards a carry with them in
Accrue 4 sacks and 2 INT  
Dnew15 : 9/21/2020 11:33 am : link
in one game is something I haven't seen a Giants defense do in a long while.
some of that is field position  
jvm52106 : 9/21/2020 11:33 am : link
in the first game and that our offense held the ball on one series for 19 plays, thus reducing the amount of time and plays our defense was on the field for.

Yesterday I was disappointed in our run defense late in the game. They ate the clock and that was the only reason they won. We need to be more tide turning on both sides of the ball. We are fighters, scrappy and stingy but we do not turn the tide and enforce our will.

We currently are Steve Rogers before the Super Soldier Serum.
The Bears won TOP battle 35 mins - 25 mins  
NBGblue : 9/21/2020 11:36 am : link
and the NYG D got tired and was pushed around somewhat in the 2nd half. So they looked worse vs the run than they really were in that game because of those 2nd half run plays. They were OK vs the run overall in that game, and they were OK vs the run in the Pitt game too.

But the Bears are not a good football team, and it looked like when they needed a big 3rd down pick up they usually got it (9 for 16 on 3rd down). That's not a good sign for this D.
RE: The Bears won TOP battle 35 mins - 25 mins  
Dnew15 : 9/21/2020 11:43 am : link
In comment 14980194 NBGblue said:
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and the NYG D got tired and was pushed around somewhat in the 2nd half. So they looked worse vs the run than they really were in that game because of those 2nd half run plays. They were OK vs the run overall in that game, and they were OK vs the run in the Pitt game too.

But the Bears are not a good football team, and it looked like when they needed a big 3rd down pick up they usually got it (9 for 16 on 3rd down). That's not a good sign for this D.


That TOP stat looks a lot more even if the Bears don't convert that ridiculous 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter with 4+ min to play.
RE: Accrue 4 sacks and 2 INT  
rocco8112 : 9/21/2020 11:49 am : link
In comment 14980190 Dnew15 said:
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in one game is something I haven't seen a Giants defense do in a long while.


yes
the defense hasn't been great but it is light years beyond what we've  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2020 11:54 am : link
seen the past several years - LIGHT YEARS.

Bradberry looks to be the best FA signing in a long time. Different style but as impactful in his way as Jack rabbit and none of the noise (and a better contract too). He and Williams are the 2 best players on D by far and could be our first defensive pro bowlers in years. They look like 2 building blocks for the next few years.

Tomlinson Ryan and Martinez look like stable veterans. Don't see any making any pro bowls but they are reliable glue guys.

Carter, Hill, Holmes, and Love are all looking like positive contributors who can make positive plays - sacks, ints, etc. Before dismissing the value in that contrast them with Balentine who is clearly still way out of his depth.

Lawrence is perhaps a level above the other young guys mentioned but so far I've actually been a little disappointed with him given the higher level of expectation. I was hoping he'd be an immovable object in the run game like Haloti Ngata and he just hasn't been (yet). He should be in the grouping with Williams/Bradberry and I just don't see enough disruption from him yet.

the jury is still out on Graham but so far there are things to like. He has made changes quickly, like shadowing Robinson with Bradberry everywhere in yesterday's game. There haven't been any communication break downs. He has generated a pass rush by committee. They have been opportunistic creating turnover opportunities even going back to last week with the near fumble from Snell, to the FF by Ryan, and to the INT's/near INT's yesterday. big Ben and trubisky aren't the biggest tests he will face but they aren't the worst either. Next week vs. the 49ers 2nd team offense they need to have a big effort.
They have been better than expected  
ron mexico : 9/21/2020 11:55 am : link
Guys are not running free in the secondary which is good.

Still can’t get off the field on third down.
once in a while...  
D HOS : 9/21/2020 11:58 am : link
you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
RE: They did a nice job in the 2nd half yesterday  
SGMen : 9/21/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14980182 Chris684 said:
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They would have gotten the ball back with more time if not for that flukey tip to Massie on 4th down.
That flukey tip for a 1st down was the back-breaker play of the game cause we had them there....

If Jones got a TD pass off with 2 seconds left and we won the game we'd all be singing praises. Two plays were the difference in this game along with the turnovers, of course.

I honestly believe we can beat a beat up SF team this week.
RE: RE: The Bears won TOP battle 35 mins - 25 mins  
M.S. : 9/21/2020 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14980200 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 14980194 NBGblue said:


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and the NYG D got tired and was pushed around somewhat in the 2nd half. So they looked worse vs the run than they really were in that game because of those 2nd half run plays. They were OK vs the run overall in that game, and they were OK vs the run in the Pitt game too.

But the Bears are not a good football team, and it looked like when they needed a big 3rd down pick up they usually got it (9 for 16 on 3rd down). That's not a good sign for this D.



That TOP stat looks a lot more even if the Bears don't convert that ridiculous 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter with 4+ min to play.

Speaking of TOP, given that we are the league's worst running team so far, not surprising we're averaging a paltry 26:54 TOP through two games. Gotta think if that keeps up, our defense will not hold up very well.
My scratch my head moment was the no D lineman plays  
bigblue1124 : 9/21/2020 12:20 pm : link
Granted one worked for an incomplete pass but the other was a TD and he had all day to throw it. I really hope they they scrap that from the playbook. If we had any sort of pass rush on that play it’s not a TD.

With that said If we don’t miss that field goal all we have to do is kick another to win end of game.
RE: My scratch my head moment was the no D lineman plays  
PatersonPlank : 9/21/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14980261 bigblue1124 said:
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Granted one worked for an incomplete pass but the other was a TD and he had all day to throw it. I really hope they they scrap that from the playbook. If we had any sort of pass rush on that play it’s not a TD.

With that said If we don’t miss that field goal all we have to do is kick another to win end of game.


My guess is they consider the OLB's the best pass rushers on the team, not the DT/DE. So they are just trying to put their best on the field in obvious passing downs, not Tomlinson/Williams/Dex
I liked what I saw except  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/21/2020 12:24 pm : link
for that one drive in the 2nd half where the Bears were getting 10+ a run.. that drive killed us. also Bears got several good plays when we rushed only 3, I hated that
People slept on this defense  
BillT : 9/21/2020 12:43 pm : link
The quality of the DL was pretty obvious but few gave it much credence. The secondary had much better parts with Bradbury, Love, Peppers and Ryan though still incomplete. Martinez was a huge upgrade at an important position.
I'd rather our D be stellar now and our O middling than the other way  
BestFeature : 9/21/2020 1:30 pm : link
around, even without Barkley I expect our O to improve more than I would have expected our D to improve if the stats were reversed.
Maybe  
M.S. : 9/21/2020 2:04 pm : link

And it's a big MAYBE, but maybe if the Giants put together some semblance of a ground game, our defense will be that much better (not to mention the offense) and maybe we'll start winning close games!

I know that it seems strange to say that with the loss of Saquon Barkley, but stranger things have happened. The O-line has to get its shit together and start run-blocking better. If they do, I "think" good things could start to happen!
Defense is better this year, but  
Simms11 : 9/21/2020 6:36 pm : link
still lacking that guy other teams need to account for on D. Still looking for another CB. Yiadom looks lost out there and Ballentine is not ready for primetime. I also think another side LBer would help this team. We've got a decent one in Martinez, but the others look like JAGs. Maybe one of the late drafted LBers surprises?!
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