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Saquon Barkley underwent an MRI of his right knee that confirmed a torn ACL. Barkley will undergo surgery to repair the injury in the near future.
Expected but the key will be if also MCL tear and cartilage damage...
Hopefully just ACL...
What is worrying me is the brevity of the team's statement:
Statement from the New York Giants:
Giants running back Saquon Barkley underwent an MRI of his right knee this morning at Hospital for Special Surgery. The results of the testing confirmed that Barkley suffered a torn ACL in yesterday's game in Chicago.
Barkley will undergo surgery to repair the injury in the near future.
Expected but the key will be if also MCL tear and cartilage damage...
Hopefully just ACL...
What is worrying me is the brevity of the team's statement:
Statement from the New York Giants:
Giants running back Saquon Barkley underwent an MRI of his right knee this morning at Hospital for Special Surgery. The results of the testing confirmed that Barkley suffered a torn ACL in yesterday's game in Chicago.
Barkley will undergo surgery to repair the injury in the near future.
That may have been all the patient authorized them to say.
Expected but the key will be if also MCL tear and cartilage damage...
Hopefully just ACL...
What is worrying me is the brevity of the team's statement:
Statement from the New York Giants:
Giants running back Saquon Barkley underwent an MRI of his right knee this morning at Hospital for Special Surgery. The results of the testing confirmed that Barkley suffered a torn ACL in yesterday's game in Chicago.
Barkley will undergo surgery to repair the injury in the near future.
I'm not concerned about the brevity of the statement - if it's just the ACL I don't think they would iterate that other ligaments/cartilage is in-tact. I think we'll learn more by end of day the details of the MRI but based on the hit in my amateur orthopedic eye I'd be surprised if it's it's much more than the ACL.
You typically wait for swelling to go down before having ACL reconstruction so the time between injury and surgery is to be expected.
This is correct. Plus if he had a meniscal tear they would have to address that first before ACL surgery. I’d imagine we’d have heard of anything else the MRI picked up if more than ACL.
I noticed on a tackle, or two, prior to the one on which he left the field, the tackler appeared to target his knee with his helmet, and made contact. After this Saquon looked uncomfortable, but stayed in the game. But I can't remember which knee got hit.
I saw that too, i was surprised they kept him on the field
Peterson is not the norm; he is the outlier. It is impossible to say anything more than what the Giants have provided. Without the surgery, they can't be fully sure what they are dealing with (i.e. minor tear, also MCL/cartilage, etc.). Based on hearing torn ACL we have read here everything from he is done to he will be back and the best back in the league next year.
The reality is he will fall somewhere in between. How close to which end of that spectrum is the key. But, for now, everybody chill out and focus on the guys on the field.
RE: Can we please stop with all the arm chair doctors?
Peterson is not the norm; he is the outlier. It is impossible to say anything more than what the Giants have provided. Without the surgery, they can't be fully sure what they are dealing with (i.e. minor tear, also MCL/cartilage, etc.). Based on hearing torn ACL we have read here everything from he is done to he will be back and the best back in the league next year.
The reality is he will fall somewhere in between. How close to which end of that spectrum is the key. But, for now, everybody chill out and focus on the guys on the field.
On top of it, he is not AP in running style or size. SB's biggest problem is not running with power behind his pads and that is what he may need to do a lot more of, at least when first coming back to build up the knee and confidence. These full speed hard plant and cut (see the screen pass week 1 at the tail end), may not be there early on if ever as they put a ton of pressure on the joint.
the game now. And I wasn't following twitter/bbi much at all yesterday. Has there been any talk of Saquon tearing his ACL on the first run, the 18 yarder before the end of the first quarter? He was slow to get up then and even had an awkward end to that run. And then next run he hadwas the play that he fully tore it? Sorry if that has been discussed but it was definitely an awkward finish to the 18 yarder.
the game now. And I wasn't following twitter/bbi much at all yesterday. Has there been any talk of Saquon tearing his ACL on the first run, the 18 yarder before the end of the first quarter? He was slow to get up then and even had an awkward end to that run. And then next run he hadwas the play that he fully tore it? Sorry if that has been discussed but it was definitely an awkward finish to the 18 yarder.
I think that might have been the play in which the tackler speared him in the knee with his helmet. I too wondered if his final injury was a worsening of whatever he sustained by the earlier hit.
RE: Can we please stop with all the arm chair doctors?
Peterson is not the norm; he is the outlier. It is impossible to say anything more than what the Giants have provided. Without the surgery, they can't be fully sure what they are dealing with (i.e. minor tear, also MCL/cartilage, etc.). Based on hearing torn ACL we have read here everything from he is done to he will be back and the best back in the league next year.
The reality is he will fall somewhere in between. How close to which end of that spectrum is the key. But, for now, everybody chill out and focus on the guys on the field.
Everyone seems really confident and I'm not sure if it's based on research, etc. It seems a huge unknown. I hope he comes back as good as ever, of course. Feel terrible for him.
the game now. And I wasn't following twitter/bbi much at all yesterday. Has there been any talk of Saquon tearing his ACL on the first run, the 18 yarder before the end of the first quarter? He was slow to get up then and even had an awkward end to that run. And then next run he hadwas the play that he fully tore it? Sorry if that has been discussed but it was definitely an awkward finish to the 18 yarder.
I thought the same thing and rewatched last night. He did plant his foot funny when he went down, but it was his other leg.
that should have gone top 3 and their teams would have spent two firsts on them using the value of hindsight.
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
Bark is the best most impactful player in that draft. The Giants picked the low hanging fruit. They took the clear cut #1 player. And now they are taking up the tail pipe. This is called back luck.
Meanwhile, dallas has 20000 fans in the seats while jsut about every other team won't risk it, and Zeke is a vile POS and he will run to canton and never miss more than a month of time. I guess they dodged the RB curse.
and a once in a generation athlete. I hope he heals quickly and fully and goes on to have an amazing career.
But this is why an NFL franchise should never spend a number two draft pick in an RB.
God do I hate this take. It's so ridiculous.
Zeke Elliot, LDT, Peterson (should have gone #1 or 2 but went 5 I think) Walter Payton, MArshall Faulk say hi how are you?
How is it ridiculous? The injury risk to RBs as a consequence of the position itself is a very real factor and is definitely a consideration for teams who draft RBs with very high picks.
And it's great that you can rattle off some all-time greats, but DG didn't draft those guys, he drafted Barkley, who is now down with a torn ACL. Is it reasonable to forecast that injury? I don't know how you can make that projection about any player that has never had a significant injury history, but there definitely is plenty of data that shows the injury rate by position, and RB is either the most injured or second most injured position.
A player who plays a position that is one of the most likely to get injured, did get injured. How is that ridiculous?
but when I had my ACL reconstruction, they used a "semitendonosis" procedure, where they use your own tendon for the new ligament. It entailed drilling through the femur and IIRC I had four weeks with no weight on the leg at all and another four of gradually building up to full weight. Then rehab started.
But nowadays they use grafts from cadavers. People who get cadaver grafts can often walk on it (gingerly) within days of the surgery. Much less trauma for the leg in general.
that should have gone top 3 and their teams would have spent two firsts on them using the value of hindsight.
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
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[quote] In comment 14980500 djm said:
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that should have gone top 3 and their teams would have spent two firsts on them using the value of hindsight.
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
Bosa already had ACL reconstruction on his other knee....so by your logic he was toast as a rookie last year?
Each injury is different, and ACL's have ruined careers in football for decades, but medicine has come a long way and you see more people coming back at full speed than ever before. It will be a long year for Saquon, he's got a lot of hard work ahead and hopefully his body responds more like AP than Ki-Jana Carter. However for anybody to assume he's done without knowing anything else at this point is just being over-dramatic.
and a once in a generation athlete. I hope he heals quickly and fully and goes on to have an amazing career.
But this is why an NFL franchise should never spend a number two draft pick in an RB.
God do I hate this take. It's so ridiculous.
Zeke Elliot, LDT, Peterson (should have gone #1 or 2 but went 5 I think) Walter Payton, MArshall Faulk say hi how are you?
How is it ridiculous? The injury risk to RBs as a consequence of the position itself is a very real factor and is definitely a consideration for teams who draft RBs with very high picks.
And it's great that you can rattle off some all-time greats, but DG didn't draft those guys, he drafted Barkley, who is now down with a torn ACL. Is it reasonable to forecast that injury? I don't know how you can make that projection about any player that has never had a significant injury history, but there definitely is plenty of data that shows the injury rate by position, and RB is either the most injured or second most injured position.
A player who plays a position that is one of the most likely to get injured, did get injured. How is that ridiculous?
they all get hurt. Do RBs truly get hurt from rookie year to say year 7 more than any other position? Where are you getting this data from? And even if it's true, HOW true? How much is a ridiculously talented RB more likely to get hurt than say a DE? How much more likely? Are we talking 5%.
Yes, it's ridiculous. You're NOT going to draft a position in the NFL because you're afraid that position is more likely to get hurt? Good luck with that. When is it OK to draft a RB then? Pick 10? Does that work? How about pick 6? Or 18?
if you have Lawrence Taylor or Jonathon Ogden or Peyton Manning or Bruce Smith or Reggie White, Deion Sanders, and you have Barkley there too? I'd have no issues bypassing Barkley there.
Bradley Chubb isn't Reggie White. If the Giants thought he was, they likely take the DE. Chubb MIGHT be a pro bowler, maybe he is, but he's not a can't miss drop dead gorgeous prospect like Barkley was.
That's why the Giants took the RB. They had him as the most flawless player in this draft.
Jesus this seems like almost as bad as it could get:
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Full details on #Giants RB Saquon Barkley’s knee: He tore his ACL, partial tore his meniscus and has a strained MCL (which won’t have to be fixed in surgery). That means in 2-4 weeks he’ll have surgery to allow swelling and inflammation to go down.
that should have gone top 3 and their teams would have spent two firsts on them using the value of hindsight.
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
Yes, they do.
Scroll halfway down to "Injury Rate by Position" - ( New Window )
One could argue that doesn't show a significantly higher rate. Also, with added weight, the injury rate decreases. Barkley is not a small back, so he should be at the lower end of that scale. It just didn't work out that way.
and/or Barkley in particular through an injury is just not fair. If you didn't want to draft him, you are now using this as "evidence". If you wanted to, you are severely discounting the injury.
Realistically, the alternative really isn't better. we can say with a lot of certainty that if not Barkley, we take Darnold. Would anyone really be happier in year 3 of the Darnold era...especially with the OL and coaches we had? I know I wouldn't.
I wanted Barkley 100% and I have no regrets. I can only hope he can recover to near 100% and the OL improves in the span. My alternative would have been to trade down in an attempt to draft Jackson, knowing at the time he was a risk. But, I ad no faith in the big 4 QBs in that draft. Jackson started to intrigue me as we got closer to the draft. But, I still wanted Barkley.
But give me a north south runner like Zeke over these flashy guys who make drastic, eye popping cuts. The latter seem vulnerable to more injuries than the former.
RE: Jesus this seems like almost as bad as it could get:
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Full details on #Giants RB Saquon Barkley’s knee: He tore his ACL, partial tore his meniscus and has a strained MCL (which won’t have to be fixed in surgery). That means in 2-4 weeks he’ll have surgery to allow swelling and inflammation to go down.
The MCL is easy - no surgery to fix that. A lot will hinge on the meniscus, if a simple buckethandle tear it would be minor but if it's worse we might be looking at a Todd Gurley.
that should have gone top 3 and their teams would have spent two firsts on them using the value of hindsight.
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
Yes, they do.
Scroll halfway down to "Injury Rate by Position" - ( New Window )
One could argue that doesn't show a significantly higher rate. Also, with added weight, the injury rate decreases. Barkley is not a small back, so he should be at the lower end of that scale. It just didn't work out that way.
The injury rate, very oddly, increases for RBs, up to around SB's size, then decreases. The article does note that there is noise in the RB data because it includes fullbacks, too. So it's unclear what is driving the increase in injury risk as RB size increases, but I could very easily see that being a function of undersized FBs being injury-prone.
But it could also be a function of larger RBs being more physical in general, which would lead to more violent collisions (vs. scatbacks that don't take as much punishment).
In any case, the data doesn't clearly show that SB should be less of an injury risk because of his size.
There are numerous reasons I could list as why a team like the Giants
are BIG reasons why RBs have less positional value. They are inextricably linked. It doesn't require a specific prognostication about when and if he will have a severe injury but ignoring that as part of the risk of drafting him isn't a honest look at how players are valued.
the NFL and the Giants has access to better data than you do. I’m sure they are well aware of injury rates and that it factors into drafting. They just had a high enough grade to offset the risks. Don’t know why you can’t accept that.
You call that “ignoring” for some odd reason and you keep reminding us over and over and over. Maybe one day you’ll realize that shit just happens, like Bosas ACL tear or anyone else’s.
analysis we can dive in and say the reason RBs are valued less and you don't want to take them at #2 is absolutely because more "shit happens" to them.
Now this is after he's had a few years to think about the pick and talk to people. He very clearly doesn't understand what this term means.
From wikipedia "In statistics, an outlier is a data point that differs significantly from other observations."
1) There is nothing about his college stats or combine or anything that "differ significantly" from his competition. Was he in the high end of distributions especially athletically? Absolutely check out his combine stats from this page but this site rates him a 91 overall even so. Regardless he's in the distribution around other players not out of it as outlier would suggest.
2) If the suggestion is that he WILL be an outlier in the NFL, well that doesn't really show he understands the word either. It's not even remotely scientifically sound to claim you can predict an outlier, the idea is that it isn't like the data is patterned.
This is the issue with DG and it's amazing that you pretend like he's incapable of just being overconfident about understanding something he doesn't. But he admitted as much in the article I shared and he is tossing around real statistical terms that he doesn't seem to understand. Whose point looks better supported mine or yours?
To your point about better data. Check out this article on the 2020 Big Data Bowl A pair of data scientists who work for an insurance company in Vienna smoked everyone in this with no real knowledge of football. Point being, better data doesn't matter if you don't understand the math and science and how to apply it. Why on earth should we just automatically assume the Giants have these things figured out?
Hopefully just ACL...
Hopefully just ACL...
What is worrying me is the brevity of the team's statement:
Statement from the New York Giants:
Giants running back Saquon Barkley underwent an MRI of his right knee this morning at Hospital for Special Surgery. The results of the testing confirmed that Barkley suffered a torn ACL in yesterday's game in Chicago.
Barkley will undergo surgery to repair the injury in the near future.
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Expected but the key will be if also MCL tear and cartilage damage...
Hopefully just ACL...
What is worrying me is the brevity of the team's statement:
Statement from the New York Giants:
Giants running back Saquon Barkley underwent an MRI of his right knee this morning at Hospital for Special Surgery. The results of the testing confirmed that Barkley suffered a torn ACL in yesterday's game in Chicago.
Barkley will undergo surgery to repair the injury in the near future.
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Expected but the key will be if also MCL tear and cartilage damage...
Hopefully just ACL...
What is worrying me is the brevity of the team's statement:
Statement from the New York Giants:
Giants running back Saquon Barkley underwent an MRI of his right knee this morning at Hospital for Special Surgery. The results of the testing confirmed that Barkley suffered a torn ACL in yesterday's game in Chicago.
Barkley will undergo surgery to repair the injury in the near future.
I'm not concerned about the brevity of the statement - if it's just the ACL I don't think they would iterate that other ligaments/cartilage is in-tact. I think we'll learn more by end of day the details of the MRI but based on the hit in my amateur orthopedic eye I'd be surprised if it's it's much more than the ACL.
This is correct. Plus if he had a meniscal tear they would have to address that first before ACL surgery. I’d imagine we’d have heard of anything else the MRI picked up if more than ACL.
+1
I noticed on a tackle, or two, prior to the one on which he left the field, the tackler appeared to target his knee with his helmet, and made contact. After this Saquon looked uncomfortable, but stayed in the game. But I can't remember which knee got hit.
The reality is he will fall somewhere in between. How close to which end of that spectrum is the key. But, for now, everybody chill out and focus on the guys on the field.
The reality is he will fall somewhere in between. How close to which end of that spectrum is the key. But, for now, everybody chill out and focus on the guys on the field.
On top of it, he is not AP in running style or size. SB's biggest problem is not running with power behind his pads and that is what he may need to do a lot more of, at least when first coming back to build up the knee and confidence. These full speed hard plant and cut (see the screen pass week 1 at the tail end), may not be there early on if ever as they put a ton of pressure on the joint.
But this is why an NFL franchise should never spend a number two draft pick in an RB.
I think that might have been the play in which the tackler speared him in the knee with his helmet. I too wondered if his final injury was a worsening of whatever he sustained by the earlier hit.
The reality is he will fall somewhere in between. How close to which end of that spectrum is the key. But, for now, everybody chill out and focus on the guys on the field.
Everyone seems really confident and I'm not sure if it's based on research, etc. It seems a huge unknown. I hope he comes back as good as ever, of course. Feel terrible for him.
Then I look at the Yankees....60% of the team is usually on IL and they broke that record last season.
Of course, "all teams lose all their best players every season and still win". Yeah...ok.
I thought the same thing and rewatched last night. He did plant his foot funny when he went down, but it was his other leg.
But this is why an NFL franchise should never spend a number two draft pick in an RB.
God do I hate this take. It's so ridiculous.
Zeke Elliot, LDT, Peterson (should have gone #1 or 2 but went 5 I think) Walter Payton, MArshall Faulk say hi how are you?
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
Bark is the best most impactful player in that draft. The Giants picked the low hanging fruit. They took the clear cut #1 player. And now they are taking up the tail pipe. This is called back luck.
Meanwhile, dallas has 20000 fans in the seats while jsut about every other team won't risk it, and Zeke is a vile POS and he will run to canton and never miss more than a month of time. I guess they dodged the RB curse.
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and a once in a generation athlete. I hope he heals quickly and fully and goes on to have an amazing career.
But this is why an NFL franchise should never spend a number two draft pick in an RB.
God do I hate this take. It's so ridiculous.
Zeke Elliot, LDT, Peterson (should have gone #1 or 2 but went 5 I think) Walter Payton, MArshall Faulk say hi how are you?
How is it ridiculous? The injury risk to RBs as a consequence of the position itself is a very real factor and is definitely a consideration for teams who draft RBs with very high picks.
And it's great that you can rattle off some all-time greats, but DG didn't draft those guys, he drafted Barkley, who is now down with a torn ACL. Is it reasonable to forecast that injury? I don't know how you can make that projection about any player that has never had a significant injury history, but there definitely is plenty of data that shows the injury rate by position, and RB is either the most injured or second most injured position.
A player who plays a position that is one of the most likely to get injured, did get injured. How is that ridiculous?
But nowadays they use grafts from cadavers. People who get cadaver grafts can often walk on it (gingerly) within days of the surgery. Much less trauma for the leg in general.
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
Yes, they do.
Scroll halfway down to "Injury Rate by Position" - ( New Window )
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that should have gone top 3 and their teams would have spent two firsts on them using the value of hindsight.
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
Bosa already had ACL reconstruction on his other knee....so by your logic he was toast as a rookie last year?
Each injury is different, and ACL's have ruined careers in football for decades, but medicine has come a long way and you see more people coming back at full speed than ever before. It will be a long year for Saquon, he's got a lot of hard work ahead and hopefully his body responds more like AP than Ki-Jana Carter. However for anybody to assume he's done without knowing anything else at this point is just being over-dramatic.
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and a once in a generation athlete. I hope he heals quickly and fully and goes on to have an amazing career.
But this is why an NFL franchise should never spend a number two draft pick in an RB.
God do I hate this take. It's so ridiculous.
Zeke Elliot, LDT, Peterson (should have gone #1 or 2 but went 5 I think) Walter Payton, MArshall Faulk say hi how are you?
How is it ridiculous? The injury risk to RBs as a consequence of the position itself is a very real factor and is definitely a consideration for teams who draft RBs with very high picks.
And it's great that you can rattle off some all-time greats, but DG didn't draft those guys, he drafted Barkley, who is now down with a torn ACL. Is it reasonable to forecast that injury? I don't know how you can make that projection about any player that has never had a significant injury history, but there definitely is plenty of data that shows the injury rate by position, and RB is either the most injured or second most injured position.
A player who plays a position that is one of the most likely to get injured, did get injured. How is that ridiculous?
they all get hurt. Do RBs truly get hurt from rookie year to say year 7 more than any other position? Where are you getting this data from? And even if it's true, HOW true? How much is a ridiculously talented RB more likely to get hurt than say a DE? How much more likely? Are we talking 5%.
Yes, it's ridiculous. You're NOT going to draft a position in the NFL because you're afraid that position is more likely to get hurt? Good luck with that. When is it OK to draft a RB then? Pick 10? Does that work? How about pick 6? Or 18?
Bradley Chubb isn't Reggie White. If the Giants thought he was, they likely take the DE. Chubb MIGHT be a pro bowler, maybe he is, but he's not a can't miss drop dead gorgeous prospect like Barkley was.
That's why the Giants took the RB. They had him as the most flawless player in this draft.
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Full details on #Giants RB Saquon Barkley’s knee: He tore his ACL, partial tore his meniscus and has a strained MCL (which won’t have to be fixed in surgery). That means in 2-4 weeks he’ll have surgery to allow swelling and inflammation to go down.
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that should have gone top 3 and their teams would have spent two firsts on them using the value of hindsight.
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
Yes, they do.
Scroll halfway down to "Injury Rate by Position" - ( New Window )
Realistically, the alternative really isn't better. we can say with a lot of certainty that if not Barkley, we take Darnold. Would anyone really be happier in year 3 of the Darnold era...especially with the OL and coaches we had? I know I wouldn't.
I wanted Barkley 100% and I have no regrets. I can only hope he can recover to near 100% and the OL improves in the span. My alternative would have been to trade down in an attempt to draft Jackson, knowing at the time he was a risk. But, I ad no faith in the big 4 QBs in that draft. Jackson started to intrigue me as we got closer to the draft. But, I still wanted Barkley.
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Full details on #Giants RB Saquon Barkley’s knee: He tore his ACL, partial tore his meniscus and has a strained MCL (which won’t have to be fixed in surgery). That means in 2-4 weeks he’ll have surgery to allow swelling and inflammation to go down.
The MCL is easy - no surgery to fix that. A lot will hinge on the meniscus, if a simple buckethandle tear it would be minor but if it's worse we might be looking at a Todd Gurley.
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that should have gone top 3 and their teams would have spent two firsts on them using the value of hindsight.
GREAT RBS are valuable. They don't really get hurt at a more dramatic rate than any other player going. Bosa is toast. Chubb was toast last year. Both first overall talents. Both torn ACL.
Yes, they do.
Scroll halfway down to "Injury Rate by Position" - ( New Window )
One could argue that doesn't show a significantly higher rate. Also, with added weight, the injury rate decreases. Barkley is not a small back, so he should be at the lower end of that scale. It just didn't work out that way.
The injury rate, very oddly, increases for RBs, up to around SB's size, then decreases. The article does note that there is noise in the RB data because it includes fullbacks, too. So it's unclear what is driving the increase in injury risk as RB size increases, but I could very easily see that being a function of undersized FBs being injury-prone.
But it could also be a function of larger RBs being more physical in general, which would lead to more violent collisions (vs. scatbacks that don't take as much punishment).
In any case, the data doesn't clearly show that SB should be less of an injury risk because of his size.
But risk of an ACL tear isn't one of them unless you tell me he had a prior history of leg injuries.
You call that “ignoring” for some odd reason and you keep reminding us over and over and over. Maybe one day you’ll realize that shit just happens, like Bosas ACL tear or anyone else’s.
In this article Gettleman calls Barkley an outlier
Now this is after he's had a few years to think about the pick and talk to people. He very clearly doesn't understand what this term means.
From wikipedia "In statistics, an outlier is a data point that differs significantly from other observations."
1) There is nothing about his college stats or combine or anything that "differ significantly" from his competition. Was he in the high end of distributions especially athletically? Absolutely check out his combine stats from this page but this site rates him a 91 overall even so. Regardless he's in the distribution around other players not out of it as outlier would suggest.
2) If the suggestion is that he WILL be an outlier in the NFL, well that doesn't really show he understands the word either. It's not even remotely scientifically sound to claim you can predict an outlier, the idea is that it isn't like the data is patterned.
This is the issue with DG and it's amazing that you pretend like he's incapable of just being overconfident about understanding something he doesn't. But he admitted as much in the article I shared and he is tossing around real statistical terms that he doesn't seem to understand. Whose point looks better supported mine or yours?
To your point about better data. Check out this article on the 2020 Big Data Bowl A pair of data scientists who work for an insurance company in Vienna smoked everyone in this with no real knowledge of football. Point being, better data doesn't matter if you don't understand the math and science and how to apply it. Why on earth should we just automatically assume the Giants have these things figured out?