How bad is Corey Ballentine?

he was a late round pick. it isnt a DG blunder. ballentine is supposed to be a depth piece, someone who you can work on and fills in when needed. he was never meant to be a day 1 starter as that was his ceiling. he is clearly being stretch to his limit because beal and baker scenarios. I expect a corner drafted in round 1 or 2 and start immediately next season. again, not a DG blunder, just a simple digging deep and stretching the depth chart

that pick cost us plently

"just" a KR the pick would be good.

as a 6th round pick if he's even in the rotation at CB it's a win, starting is HR for his draft round.

Of course he needs to play better, but his success or lack of is not a knock on the GM

the Giants were counting on Baker and Beal. Ballentine was a late pick.

The fault isn't really with how bad he is, but why he is starting on this team. The fact that a 6th round pick out of a small school is starting because we don't have anyone better is the issue.

As bad as he is, he’s better than Isaac yiadom, who was a 3rd pick three years ago. I lose brain cells watching that kid play

at him yesterday? Didn't catch the game

Just comically bad picks by Gettleman.

At least Ballantine shows up.

In comment 14980393 pjcas18 said:

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"just" a KR the pick would be good. as a 6th round pick if he's even in the rotation at CB it's a win, starting is HR for his draft round. Of course he needs to play better, but his success or lack of is not a knock on the GM

It's not really a home run if he's starting purely out of necessity due to attrition, and struggling in a larger role.

I don't think it should be a knock on DG that Ballentine is struggling, given his draft round and level of competition in college, but it's not a HR that he wound up being the best remaining option after that position group wound up getting significantly weakened.

In comment 14980408 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14980393 pjcas18 said: Quote: "just" a KR the pick would be good. as a 6th round pick if he's even in the rotation at CB it's a win, starting is HR for his draft round. Of course he needs to play better, but his success or lack of is not a knock on the GM It's not really a home run if he's starting purely out of necessity due to attrition, and struggling in a larger role. I don't think it should be a knock on DG that Ballentine is struggling, given his draft round and level of competition in college, but it's not a HR that he wound up being the best remaining option after that position group wound up getting significantly weakened.

my comments were more in general about a 6th round pick. If you have a 6th round pick starting at CB it's considered a HR for a draft pick.

If the player is terrible, you have to believe they won't be starting very long, so that issue should work itself out.

Of course context is important, but I think that was implied with my last sentence that he has to play better.

Main point, if he never played a defensive down in the NFL it would not change a thing with regards to the GM IMO.

Ballentine was a sixth round pick who had some physical tools that made him intriguing at that point in the draft. He is a back-of-the-roster player who has been thrown into a situation he never meant to be in.

Your analysis is way off base.

playing time is "working itself out"

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Nick Falato @nickfalato · 1m Peppers, Martinez, and Bradberry played all 65 defensive snaps Julian Love and Zo played 64 Logan Ryan was up from 38 to 55 snaps in week 2. Yiadom 5 to 36, Ballentine 59 to 29 and Leonard Williams leads the DL with 42 snaps DLaw 39 Tomlinson 38 Hill 20 Johnson 19 Golden 15...

that we have a 6TH ROUNDER starting on defense? No shit he's not good, but he is the best we have at the moment. It's not his fault that he's being thrown in with the wolves after coming from a D2 school in the 6th round. You can't blame the guy. Maybe I'm being too passive but he's getting a lot of undeserved shit.

As far as that touchdown, I said this in the game thread but I will say it again: You can't expect a corner to cover guys for 10-15 seconds. All-Pro corners can't do that and there is no way a 2nd year 6th rounder can. We have no pass rush whatsoever. Edge rush is non-existent and the only time we have something that slightly resembles a pass rush is coming from the interior d-line.

Yet another DG blunder

But he's a replacement player. I'm not sure he could make another roster let alone start for another team. I know Baker crapped out. I know Beal opted out. But Ballintine is not an NFL caliber player.

In comment 14980384 BleedBlue said:

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he was a late round pick. it isnt a DG blunder. ballentine is supposed to be a depth piece, someone who you can work on and fills in when needed. he was never meant to be a day 1 starter as that was his ceiling. he is clearly being stretch to his limit because beal and baker scenarios. I expect a corner drafted in round 1 or 2 and start immediately next season. again, not a DG blunder, just a simple digging deep and stretching the depth chart

Seriously, I'd argue a 6th round pick that makes the team, period, is a good pick.

In comment 14980438 arniefez said:

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But he's a replacement player. I'm not sure he could make another roster let alone start for another team. I know Baker crapped out. I know Beal opted out. But Ballintine is not an NFL caliber player.

Ugh. It somehow feels like we drafted Beal in 2014 and he's yet to play a single down. I know that's not true at all but it just feels that way lol.

The disappointing picks are Baker and Beal. Baker looked completely outclassed in his brief time and Beal was and is an injury liability. Ballentine has been catapulted into the starting lineup because two much higher picks didn’t work out.

... the issue is that the two CBs that DG drafted higher (1) aren't on the team; and (2) freakin suck anyway.

I am hoping the Giants try Love at CB. He has played well at safety and was a top CB in college.

In comment 14980478 OntheRoad said:

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I am hoping the Giants try Love at CB. He has played well at safety and was a top CB in college.

I would think Ryan would be first to play on the outside instead if Ballentine. He has a lot of experience at CB. Then you have Holmes coming in as the 5th DB.

as people want to believe. He gave up a touchdown but even the best do. He's young and learning. And as a number here have said, he wasn't drafted to be a starter this soon.

In comment 14980518 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:

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as people want to believe. He gave up a touchdown but even the best do. He's young and learning. And as a number here have said, he wasn't drafted to be a starter this soon.

He has looked bad to me going back to last year, but you're right. Stephon Gilmore gave up a TD last night also.

It's with people who always trying to justify DG picks by saying they are starters. Ballantine, Connelly, Xman, Carter. These were 3rd round picks and lower round picks that flashed a little but more expectations were put on them because of who drafted them.

It's nice to hit on s low round draft pick, But the expectations that every late round pick is gonna hit is absurd.

These guys started because there were no one else to start. Why is this still being debated or brought up?

seems like he's always a step behind the play. Seems like he knows what to do and maybe even has the physical tools, but so far it hasn't clicked in real time.

Maybe it will, but again, for a 6th round pick he was basically a lottery ticket and if it never clicks for him and this is the best he'll be then again, it's not a knock on the GM.

ever look promising?

A better question might be why did we give up three picks for Baker?

In comment 14980457 christian said:

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The disappointing picks are Baker and Beal. Baker looked completely outclassed in his brief time and Beal was and is an injury liability. Ballentine has been catapulted into the starting lineup because two much higher picks didn’t work out.

I think that Baker was coming along fine and would have been an asset this season. Who could have predicted (besides the rear-view mirror yokels on this site)?

In comment 14980401 Mike from Ohio said:

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The fault isn't really with how bad he is, but why he is starting on this team. The fact that a 6th round pick out of a small school is starting because we don't have anyone better is the issue.

Even saying the fact that he is starting is a blunder is a little much. After the draft, Baker pulled his crap and after that Beal opted not to play this year. At best, Ballentine was going to be a #4 or 5 CB. He was forced way up the depth chart. It is still unclear if Ryan will ultimately play more CB or S, and the other CBs really aren't better. They did try to address CB over the summer, but it isn't like starter quality CBs are just sitting out there. To expect that is unrealistic.

Even if it's a roster as bad as ours, it means we have to give DG credit, we got value for the pick.

The season's lost, let him stay out there and take his lumps and see if he improves. He's no worse than Baker was last year.

the de facto starter or some experienced veteran for the job. It was an open spot, and for the limited practices the coaches had to assess, he was the least worst. And they new they would by mixing guys in and out there because they expected that spot to have performance issues.

Knocking Gettleman because Ballentine has to start and isn’t very good is silly.

Knocking Gettleman because of the poor evals completed and all of the draft collateral used on Baker and Beal is fair.

In comment 14980400 Eric from BBI said:

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the Giants were counting on Baker and Beal. Ballentine was a late pick.

Ballentine was benched. They like his talent, but he isn't ready to be on an NFL CB yet other then emergency fill in. Don't be surprised to see him inactive or even released to the practice squad.

In comment 14980671 Bill L said:

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In comment 14980457 christian said: Quote: The disappointing picks are Baker and Beal. Baker looked completely outclassed in his brief time and Beal was and is an injury liability. Ballentine has been catapulted into the starting lineup because two much higher picks didn’t work out. I think that Baker was coming along fine and would have been an asset this season. Who could have predicted (besides the rear-view mirror yokels on this site)?

Baker had a rough season 850 YDS/61 completion %/15.7YPC/6 TDs/116 passer rating against.

His playing time got cut dramatically, and not surprisingly his numbers against improved. When his snaps ramped up, he got smoked by Parker in week 14, he got smoked by McLaurin week 15.

I’m not saying he was destined not to develop, but he had hard season.

You start who is the best at the time and keep trying to find your eventual long time starter..

Is similar to somebody like Jayron Hosley who was drafted 3 rounds higher and played in a power conference . He’s a better player than Yiadom, who appears to be catatonic out there . Seems like a good guy, the type you want to see succeed -while knowing that it will never happen .

He seems to have the quickness to react. Yiadom seems lost out there right now too.