Full details on #Giants RB Saquon Barkley’s knee: He tore his ACL, partial tore his meniscus and has a strained MCL (which won’t have to be fixed in surgery). That means in 2-4 weeks he’ll have surgery to allow swelling and inflammation to go down.
Gronk, Bridgewater, and AP all had knee injuries as serious of not more so. All returned and all thrived. Knee injuries like this just aren't what theyn used to be. Is it great? No, but to stick a fork is his career is just silly
Does the partial tear versus a full tear make much of a difference long term?
I believe it depends on how they fix it. If they let it heal on its own then not so bad as long as it heals. if they suture it longer to heal but better long term and if they cut a piece away he will feel the effects later...
Either way, what seemed liked a situation and a player who could threaten Tiki's numbers now seems like a question to make it 5 years with the team. :(
My prayer is that he heals fast and plays well in 2021
I'm a fan!
But lets be real: no way you sign him to big money now even if he has a solid 2021 IF (big if...) you believe the knee can be arthritic or troublesome in the very near term.
Does the partial tear versus a full tear make much of a difference long term?
I believe it depends on how they fix it. If they let it heal on its own then not so bad as long as it heals. if they suture it longer to heal but better long term and if they cut a piece away he will feel the effects later...
Either way, what seemed liked a situation and a player who could threaten Tiki's numbers now seems like a question to make it 5 years with the team. :(
I'd say 75% of the time the ACL is torn there's some partial tear of the meniscus (my uncle works at HSS). Doesn't mean anything in terms of long term recovery without knowing the severity. Often it's minor enough that they don't even touch it and it essentially heals itself. "He's done" hahaha idiots.
If you're not fed up and disgusted that every season we are crushed with injuries, in addition to being marginal to begin with then maybe you're just void of passion.
I can't even approach a new season without expecting our best players will go out injured. Whether Plaxico or Smith or Nicks or Cruz or OBJ and now Saquon it's like "ok, when does Slayton go down? Upon Barkley's return next season? Or will it be DJ that gets carried off?
It's incredible. Punishment for Eli's being the iron man I suppose.
A complete tear of the ACL being preferable to recovery and sustainability than a partial tear. Can someone who is knowledgeable on the subject chime in?
Gronk, Bridgewater, and AP all had knee injuries as serious of not more so. All returned and all thrived. Knee injuries like this just aren't what theyn used to be. Is it great? No, but to stick a fork is his career is just silly
Bridgewater missed almost three seasons. You should check that. And when he did get back in the NFL he barely played for another two seasons.
An ACL injury and surgery on its own has significant risk of PTOA, and ditto for the meniscus.
In general instability injuries (major sprains, dislocations) in the foot and ankle also seem to be a contributors as well.
Barkley has now torn the right ACL, partly torn his right meniscus, suffered a pretty serious and lingering right ankle injury last year, and hurt that same ankle in college.
No idea if that’s more wear than your normal running back’s leg, but he’s checking a lot of the boxes for future arthritis.
Gronk, Bridgewater, and AP all had knee injuries as serious of not more so. All returned and all thrived. Knee injuries like this just aren't what theyn used to be. Is it great? No, but to stick a fork is his career is just silly
Bridgewater missed almost three seasons. You should check that. And when he did get back in the NFL he barely played for another two seasons.
Bridgewater's injury was much more serious. Obviously. He never lost hig leg
Gronk, Bridgewater, and AP all had knee injuries as serious of not more so. All returned and all thrived. Knee injuries like this just aren't what theyn used to be. Is it great? No, but to stick a fork is his career is just silly
Bridgewater missed almost three seasons. You should check that. And when he did get back in the NFL he barely played for another two seasons.
Bridgewater's injury was much more serious. Obviously. He never lost hig leg
in my right knee last year. I was told we could manage it with meds and PT, but if no repair, could lead to arthritis. Went for the surgery. Was on crutches and total non-weight bearing for two weeks. Pretty much back to normal now. Also, I'm twice Saquon's age. ;-)
that a partial tear is much easier to recover from. A friend had surgery for a partial meniscus tear a couple months after me and he was on crutches for a day. Obviously the ACL is a whole other story.
Stop with the arm chair diagnosis. This information changes things a little. But, it rides on the surgery and his rehab. Yes, there are examples of athletes coming back from this type of injury at a high level. There are also more examples of not getting back to 100%, suffering setbacks, etc. He was just diagnosed today and is 2 weeks from surgery. Nobody here knows if he will be back for the start of the season, during the season, etc. or at what rate of recovery. Can we give it a rest and hope for the best?
A complete tear of the ACL being preferable to recovery and sustainability than a partial tear. Can someone who is knowledgeable on the subject chime in?
With a partial tear, you can actually get away with not having surgery, depending on the severity. However, the big issue is the tear will never heal on it's own so there is always risk of further injury.
But regarding a partial vs full tear, to my knowledge there is no difference in the procedure, they remove the old one and put the tendon graft in it's place with bone anchors. The tendon graft 'dies' and then transforms into a ligament as the tendon graft is used as scaffolding for the new ligament tissues to grow and connect to each other. This is why they say the most susceptible timeframe for re-injury is about 6-8 weeks post surgery.
had an issue with the blood supply to the leg being compromised. He was close to losing his leg. He should be more compared to Robert Edwards than Barkley.
With the information we know - we cannot say when Barkley will be back or what the severity is. Adding a meniscus tear and a strained MCL increases the risk of a longer recovery and complications, but it doesn't ensure that there will be complications.
It's part of the deal. It's more a war of attrition than anything else.
Let's get him rehabbing as soon as possible so he can be ready by 2021.
But you know what I am going to hate...he's going to be held out of preseason (if there is one) and his first real carry is going to be in Game 1 of 2021.
He will give it his all. Giants will support him in whatever way they can to get back on the field and do the right thing.
They also need to treat it as he will never be the same back again and plan accordingly. If he makes it back at a high level than it is a huge plus and a nice surprise.
Giants have really been hit hard at some of the impact positions since 2012. Hicks, Cruz, OBJ, Barkley. All four Pro Bowl talents and three of them looked like HOF talents to me.
I really want to see them become dominant on the lines again. At least you can stay competitive and then if the QB gets a little hot you can make a run.
it will repair. Any tear of that and it’s a whole other ballgame. This isn’t too bad though all things considered. Full tear of meniscus I would say it doesn’t make sense to give him a second contract today.
I'd say 75% of the time the ACL is torn there's some partial tear of the meniscus (my uncle works at HSS). Doesn't mean anything in terms of long term recovery without knowing the severity. Often it's minor enough that they don't even touch it and it essentially heals itself. "He's done" hahaha idiots.
Not an expert, but tore my meniscus and slight tear of ACL. Following year blew out ACL completely and tore more of the meniscus. They can do surgery on the meniscus, but in my case (old guy barely athletic) they didn't. They just trim the meniscus...eventually 10 years later you get arthritis.
in my right knee last year. I was told we could manage it with meds and PT, but if no repair, could lead to arthritis. Went for the surgery. Was on crutches and total non-weight bearing for two weeks. Pretty much back to normal now. Also, I'm twice Saquon's age. ;-)
How was your speed and agility afterward?
No offense, but it's not whether SB can live a normal life, it's whether he retains his all-world athleticism, at a level where the difference between excellent and average is already fairly narrow.
Any injury that comes with a 9-month recovery and rehab is significant.
It can also change a player. Where he had all-world change of direction and explosiveness, he might not. And that small margin is the difference between excellent and very good in the world of pro athletes. This is closer to what Todd Gurley had before he was drafted. And it shortened his career.
Also, for those of you making comparisons, Nick Chubb did not tear his ACL. That was not one of his injuries.
but have to put emotions aside when talking about Saquon and long term contract.
He seems like a great guy, works hard, no off-field issues, extremely talented.
But he's also a running back. And while it may not be his fault, his season last year wasn't terrific and now he's hurt. His prime is being wasted on a bad team and now on IR. We don't know how he'll come back from this injury.
Even without this injury, I don't think it would be a smart decision to pay him big money over many years.
Pick up his 5th year option, then franchise him for his 6th year if he's showing he's healthy. Then move on. He may not like being franchised, but as a fan i don't care. I'm not letting a running back hold my team hostage, no matter who it is.
but have to put emotions aside when talking about Saquon and long term contract.
He seems like a great guy, works hard, no off-field issues, extremely talented.
But he's also a running back. And while it may not be his fault, his season last year wasn't terrific and now he's hurt. His prime is being wasted on a bad team and now on IR. We don't know how he'll come back from this injury.
Even without this injury, I don't think it would be a smart decision to pay him big money over many years.
Pick up his 5th year option, then franchise him for his 6th year if he's showing he's healthy. Then move on. He may not like being franchised, but as a fan i don't care. I'm not letting a running back hold my team hostage, no matter who it is.
I was thinking of trading him, Hershel Walker style, until he gpt imjured.
but have to put emotions aside when talking about Saquon and long term contract.
He seems like a great guy, works hard, no off-field issues, extremely talented.
But he's also a running back. And while it may not be his fault, his season last year wasn't terrific and now he's hurt. His prime is being wasted on a bad team and now on IR. We don't know how he'll come back from this injury.
Even without this injury, I don't think it would be a smart decision to pay him big money over many years.
Pick up his 5th year option, then franchise him for his 6th year if he's showing he's healthy. Then move on. He may not like being franchised, but as a fan i don't care. I'm not letting a running back hold my team hostage, no matter who it is.
I was thinking of trading him, Hershel Walker style, until he gpt imjured.
I would have signed up for trading him for the best available offer regardless of what it was in the off-season.
People here would have gone nuts, but it would have been a smart thing to do. The Giants are a long ways away from contending, Saquon wont be here when the Giants are Super Bowl contenders again.
But with Mara and Gettleman running the show, they were never going to consider it. And likely were headed for giving him a big extension.
I dont want to see anyone get hurt, but if his ACL injury prevents them from giving him a massive contract, then at least there's a silver lining to it. I want nothing to do with even considering a long term deal for. arunning back on a bad team.
Gettleman has to go. I like Jones but he's not a sure fire franchise quarterback, and the list of good things he's done for this franchise is very short. Sold everyone a fake bill of goods with Jabrill Peppers too. Anyone who thinks that guy is good at anything besides returning punts has no clue what they're watching. He can't play safety in the NFL. It was clear before he got here, it's even more clear since he got here.
Not an expert, but tore my meniscus and slight tear of ACL. Following year blew out ACL completely and tore more of the meniscus. They can do surgery on the meniscus, but in my case (old guy barely athletic) they didn't. They just trim the meniscus...eventually 10 years later you get arthritis.
I don't think your situation was even the least bit similar to Barkley's.
To start with, he's going to get the best most well researched and expensive orthopedic team possible, with high performance sports expertise, to diagnose, treat, and surgically repair his knee.
Followed by the most detailed and professional level of PT follow up to make sure the surgery "sticks" with extreme levels of nutrition etc to facilitate recover.
You situation - no offense intended but it sounds like a partial basic diagnosis with minimal surgical correction followed by a corn dog diet unsupervised rehab - just doesn't seem remotely akin to SB's.
Please don't take this as jumping on your situation, but MONEY in America equals better care in all aspects of life, if one wants it. Does anyone doubt Saquon's WANT, or the money already invested in him?
if the medical info on this thread is accurate, the good news is that
the PCL is intact and undamaged. if it were damaged the possibility of return with skills is less likely. With a tear of ACL and partial MCL chances of excellent repair and return to athletic function excellent.
Of course good fortune/luck/fate/God”s blessings all enter the equation as does surgical skill and post op care. Rest assured HSS is excellent in these regards and SB will work his ass off. If nothing is found at surgery and all goes as most do we should see #26 on the field next summer. With a few good breaks he will be awfully close to his form by fourth season game.
These days I can see players like SB checking on surgical and hospital options though, so who knows about that. He won’t find a better hospital, i plead ignorance as to surgical skill which when all is said and done, plays a major role.
Good point...
That;s such an overreaction.
Is it possible we don't see him until 2022?
What dupe is this?
He'd surely appreciate your counsel.
I believe it depends on how they fix it. If they let it heal on its own then not so bad as long as it heals. if they suture it longer to heal but better long term and if they cut a piece away he will feel the effects later...
Either way, what seemed liked a situation and a player who could threaten Tiki's numbers now seems like a question to make it 5 years with the team. :(
But lets be real: no way you sign him to big money now even if he has a solid 2021 IF (big if...) you believe the knee can be arthritic or troublesome in the very near term.
I feel for this young man. I just do.
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What a shame
What dupe is this?
That is Socrates Johnson, how dare you call him a dupe.
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Does the partial tear versus a full tear make much of a difference long term?
I believe it depends on how they fix it. If they let it heal on its own then not so bad as long as it heals. if they suture it longer to heal but better long term and if they cut a piece away he will feel the effects later...
Either way, what seemed liked a situation and a player who could threaten Tiki's numbers now seems like a question to make it 5 years with the team. :(
Thanks!
Partial tear of what?
He fully tore his ACL, partially tore his meniscus.
I can't even approach a new season without expecting our best players will go out injured. Whether Plaxico or Smith or Nicks or Cruz or OBJ and now Saquon it's like "ok, when does Slayton go down? Upon Barkley's return next season? Or will it be DJ that gets carried off?
It's incredible. Punishment for Eli's being the iron man I suppose.
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Does the partial tear versus a full tear make much of a difference long term?
Partial tear of what?
He fully tore his ACL, partially tore his meniscus.
You answered your own question.
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What a shame
What dupe is this?
He was the guy in that Bill and Ted's Adventure movie. Except Bill and Ted were smarter than this guy
Bridgewater missed almost three seasons. You should check that. And when he did get back in the NFL he barely played for another two seasons.
In general instability injuries (major sprains, dislocations) in the foot and ankle also seem to be a contributors as well.
Barkley has now torn the right ACL, partly torn his right meniscus, suffered a pretty serious and lingering right ankle injury last year, and hurt that same ankle in college.
No idea if that’s more wear than your normal running back’s leg, but he’s checking a lot of the boxes for future arthritis.
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Gronk, Bridgewater, and AP all had knee injuries as serious of not more so. All returned and all thrived. Knee injuries like this just aren't what theyn used to be. Is it great? No, but to stick a fork is his career is just silly
Bridgewater missed almost three seasons. You should check that. And when he did get back in the NFL he barely played for another two seasons.
Bridgewater's injury was much more serious. Obviously. He never lost hig leg
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Gronk, Bridgewater, and AP all had knee injuries as serious of not more so. All returned and all thrived. Knee injuries like this just aren't what theyn used to be. Is it great? No, but to stick a fork is his career is just silly
Bridgewater missed almost three seasons. You should check that. And when he did get back in the NFL he barely played for another two seasons.
Bridgewater's injury was much more serious. Obviously. He never lost hig leg
Sorry, alm ost lost his leg
That is all.
With a partial tear, you can actually get away with not having surgery, depending on the severity. However, the big issue is the tear will never heal on it's own so there is always risk of further injury.
But regarding a partial vs full tear, to my knowledge there is no difference in the procedure, they remove the old one and put the tendon graft in it's place with bone anchors. The tendon graft 'dies' and then transforms into a ligament as the tendon graft is used as scaffolding for the new ligament tissues to grow and connect to each other. This is why they say the most susceptible timeframe for re-injury is about 6-8 weeks post surgery.
With the information we know - we cannot say when Barkley will be back or what the severity is. Adding a meniscus tear and a strained MCL increases the risk of a longer recovery and complications, but it doesn't ensure that there will be complications.
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I would ask him to seriously consider retirement. Why put your body through more wear and tear just to wash out of the league in a couple of years?
He'd surely appreciate your counsel.
Well, he did say if they were close.......
It's part of the deal. It's more a war of attrition than anything else.
Let's get him rehabbing as soon as possible so he can be ready by 2021.
But you know what I am going to hate...he's going to be held out of preseason (if there is one) and his first real carry is going to be in Game 1 of 2021.
SB will be back.
Yep, what a shame. Well, let's take him out back and shoot him.
Or maybe we can stop being so melodramatic.
They also need to treat it as he will never be the same back again and plan accordingly. If he makes it back at a high level than it is a huge plus and a nice surprise.
Giants have really been hit hard at some of the impact positions since 2012. Hicks, Cruz, OBJ, Barkley. All four Pro Bowl talents and three of them looked like HOF talents to me.
I really want to see them become dominant on the lines again. At least you can stay competitive and then if the QB gets a little hot you can make a run.
Not an expert, but tore my meniscus and slight tear of ACL. Following year blew out ACL completely and tore more of the meniscus. They can do surgery on the meniscus, but in my case (old guy barely athletic) they didn't. They just trim the meniscus...eventually 10 years later you get arthritis.
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How was your speed and agility afterward?
No offense, but it's not whether SB can live a normal life, it's whether he retains his all-world athleticism, at a level where the difference between excellent and average is already fairly narrow.
If he doesn't get the quick fix he will have a better outcome than others who have the cut and back to running in a month
Any injury that comes with a 9-month recovery and rehab is significant.
It can also change a player. Where he had all-world change of direction and explosiveness, he might not. And that small margin is the difference between excellent and very good in the world of pro athletes. This is closer to what Todd Gurley had before he was drafted. And it shortened his career.
Also, for those of you making comparisons, Nick Chubb did not tear his ACL. That was not one of his injuries.
He seems like a great guy, works hard, no off-field issues, extremely talented.
But he's also a running back. And while it may not be his fault, his season last year wasn't terrific and now he's hurt. His prime is being wasted on a bad team and now on IR. We don't know how he'll come back from this injury.
Even without this injury, I don't think it would be a smart decision to pay him big money over many years.
Pick up his 5th year option, then franchise him for his 6th year if he's showing he's healthy. Then move on. He may not like being franchised, but as a fan i don't care. I'm not letting a running back hold my team hostage, no matter who it is.
He seems like a great guy, works hard, no off-field issues, extremely talented.
But he's also a running back. And while it may not be his fault, his season last year wasn't terrific and now he's hurt. His prime is being wasted on a bad team and now on IR. We don't know how he'll come back from this injury.
Even without this injury, I don't think it would be a smart decision to pay him big money over many years.
Pick up his 5th year option, then franchise him for his 6th year if he's showing he's healthy. Then move on. He may not like being franchised, but as a fan i don't care. I'm not letting a running back hold my team hostage, no matter who it is.
I was thinking of trading him, Hershel Walker style, until he gpt imjured.
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but have to put emotions aside when talking about Saquon and long term contract.
He seems like a great guy, works hard, no off-field issues, extremely talented.
But he's also a running back. And while it may not be his fault, his season last year wasn't terrific and now he's hurt. His prime is being wasted on a bad team and now on IR. We don't know how he'll come back from this injury.
Even without this injury, I don't think it would be a smart decision to pay him big money over many years.
Pick up his 5th year option, then franchise him for his 6th year if he's showing he's healthy. Then move on. He may not like being franchised, but as a fan i don't care. I'm not letting a running back hold my team hostage, no matter who it is.
I was thinking of trading him, Hershel Walker style, until he gpt imjured.
I would have signed up for trading him for the best available offer regardless of what it was in the off-season.
People here would have gone nuts, but it would have been a smart thing to do. The Giants are a long ways away from contending, Saquon wont be here when the Giants are Super Bowl contenders again.
But with Mara and Gettleman running the show, they were never going to consider it. And likely were headed for giving him a big extension.
I dont want to see anyone get hurt, but if his ACL injury prevents them from giving him a massive contract, then at least there's a silver lining to it. I want nothing to do with even considering a long term deal for. arunning back on a bad team.
Gettleman has to go. I like Jones but he's not a sure fire franchise quarterback, and the list of good things he's done for this franchise is very short. Sold everyone a fake bill of goods with Jabrill Peppers too. Anyone who thinks that guy is good at anything besides returning punts has no clue what they're watching. He can't play safety in the NFL. It was clear before he got here, it's even more clear since he got here.
Jamal Charles- torn acl in 2011, over 1500 yards in 2012
Jamal Lewis- torn acl 2001, 1300 yards in 02 and over 2k in 03
Adrian Peterson- 2k yards less than 10 months after torn acl
Nick Chubb- multiple torn acls in college, one of best RB's in league now
Dalvin Cook- tore acl his rookie season
Gurley- tore acl at UGA, had 4 strong years in NFL although he did suffer from arthritis- gotta pray SB avoids that fate
Frank Gore- blew out his knee 3x in college, has played 15 years in the NFL and is 3rd all time in rushing yards
I'm sure there are countless more- even Willis McGahee comes to mind and his injury was as gruesome as I've seen.
Not an expert, but tore my meniscus and slight tear of ACL. Following year blew out ACL completely and tore more of the meniscus. They can do surgery on the meniscus, but in my case (old guy barely athletic) they didn't. They just trim the meniscus...eventually 10 years later you get arthritis.
I don't think your situation was even the least bit similar to Barkley's.
To start with, he's going to get the best most well researched and expensive orthopedic team possible, with high performance sports expertise, to diagnose, treat, and surgically repair his knee.
Followed by the most detailed and professional level of PT follow up to make sure the surgery "sticks" with extreme levels of nutrition etc to facilitate recover.
You situation - no offense intended but it sounds like a partial basic diagnosis with minimal surgical correction followed by a corn dog diet unsupervised rehab - just doesn't seem remotely akin to SB's.
Please don't take this as jumping on your situation, but MONEY in America equals better care in all aspects of life, if one wants it. Does anyone doubt Saquon's WANT, or the money already invested in him?
Of course good fortune/luck/fate/God”s blessings all enter the equation as does surgical skill and post op care. Rest assured HSS is excellent in these regards and SB will work his ass off. If nothing is found at surgery and all goes as most do we should see #26 on the field next summer. With a few good breaks he will be awfully close to his form by fourth season game.
These days I can see players like SB checking on surgical and hospital options though, so who knows about that. He won’t find a better hospital, i plead ignorance as to surgical skill which when all is said and done, plays a major role.