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“Dexter Lawrence is a Monster”

Jon C. in MD : 9/21/2020 7:48 pm
PFF just tweeted this great 5 sec clip of Dexter Lawrence from the Bears game.
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Jones and Lawrence.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/21/2020 7:56 pm : link
Looks like quite a haul
It’s pretty crazy how quick he is  
UConn4523 : 9/21/2020 7:56 pm : link
loving what he’s become so far
So athletic  
Br00klyn : 9/21/2020 7:57 pm : link
For a guy that size. pretty impressive
williams nice job of taking on double team as well  
larryinnewhaven : 9/21/2020 8:02 pm : link
this d needs a stud pass rusher and a solid CB and it would really turn a corner.
He's a beast.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/21/2020 8:04 pm : link
& thank you Cleveland!
I was thinking he had a quiet game but I guess I just missed him  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2020 8:07 pm : link
if he can really step up to the cornerstone level like a Haloti Ngata type that would be huge for this D.
Some monster  
HomerJones45 : 9/21/2020 8:07 pm : link
4 yard gain by the qb. Merlin Olsen and Alan Page better move over in the HOF. Is that the best example this guy could find?
RE: Some monster  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14980915 HomerJones45 said:
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4 yard gain by the qb. Merlin Olsen and Alan Page better move over in the HOF. Is that the best example this guy could find?


Let me guess, you'd rip up a winning lottery ticket to avoid paying taxes.
RE: Some monster  
BigBlueShock : 9/21/2020 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14980915 HomerJones45 said:
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4 yard gain by the qb. Merlin Olsen and Alan Page better move over in the HOF. Is that the best example this guy could find?

I know you know this but it deserves being said again and again....you are an absolute piece of shit. Nothing but an old, miserable, useless waste of breath. I couldn’t imagine trying to muddle through life as miserable as you are. Must be glorious.
He’s a pro bowl level talent  
BillT : 9/21/2020 8:17 pm : link
And we got criticized for taking him.
Lawrence Williams Tomlinson give us three solid starters on the DL  
SGMen : 9/21/2020 8:21 pm : link
Lawrence is already our best defensive player. Lets hope they get it together this week and beyond to really shut down run games.
RE: RE: Some monster  
section125 : 9/21/2020 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14980928 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14980915 HomerJones45 said:


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4 yard gain by the qb. Merlin Olsen and Alan Page better move over in the HOF. Is that the best example this guy could find?


I know you know this but it deserves being said again and again....you are an absolute piece of shit. Nothing but an old, miserable, useless waste of breath. I couldn’t imagine trying to muddle through life as miserable as you are. Must be glorious.


ha ha ha...so true..together with FMiC's ripping up lottery tickets to avoid taxes, I could not have said it better.
Jim Nagy says it could be the best pick from the 19 draft  
Sean : 9/21/2020 8:29 pm : link
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RE: Jim Nagy says it could be the best pick from the 19 draft  
BestFeature : 9/21/2020 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14980950 Sean said:
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I thought it was the Bears coach praising him and then I realized that was Matt Nagy.
Leonard Williams looked pretty good on that play too  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/21/2020 8:38 pm : link
Standing stout taking on two blockers.
Leonard Williams..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2020 8:42 pm : link
has looked really good.

Unfortunately, there are a few posters who really hated the trade so giving any credit to him is met with opposition.

There really are a lot of fucking idiots here.
Williams has looked good.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/21/2020 8:43 pm : link
What this D really needs is an Osi, Tuck, or Strahan...an edge rusher who can get to the QB.
RE: Williams has looked good.  
BillKo : 9/21/2020 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14980977 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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What this D really needs is an Osi, Tuck, or Strahan...an edge rusher who can get to the QB.


Yes, exactly. They need that guy with a quick get off.

Who was the guy with the Manning Colts for years that was a speed guy that would come around the corner......someone like that would be perfect.
RE: Lawrence Williams Tomlinson give us three solid starters on the DL  
Bill L : 9/21/2020 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14980936 SGMen said:
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Lawrence is already our best defensive player. Lets hope they get it together this week and beyond to really shut down run games.

Thank goodness Reese brought those players in before he left. Where would we be without him?
RE: RE: Some monster  
BigBlueBuff : 9/21/2020 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14980928 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14980915 HomerJones45 said:


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4 yard gain by the qb. Merlin Olsen and Alan Page better move over in the HOF. Is that the best example this guy could find?


I know you know this but it deserves being said again and again....you are an absolute piece of shit. Nothing but an old, miserable, useless waste of breath. I couldn’t imagine trying to muddle through life as miserable as you are. Must be glorious.
He and I went round and round back in 2009 because he thought I unfairly criticized Bill Sheridan. He has no football acumen.
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christian : 9/21/2020 9:19 pm : link
Lawrence is really developing into a fantastic player. He’s so rangy with his arms, it’s really unique for a guy his size. He’s a cornerstone player.

The Giants practically need to choose between Tomlinson and Williams. I suspect Williams will command 50% or more, more guaranteed money. For the right money Tomlinson might be the better choice, with a year more tread left on him.

I think a future of Lawrence, Hill, Tomlinson, and going hard after a guy like Dupree is an achievable outcome.
RE: RE: Williams has looked good.  
islander1 : 9/21/2020 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14980995 BillKo said:
[quote] In comment 14980977 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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What this D really needs is an Osi, Tuck, or Strahan...an edge rusher who can get to the QB.



Yes, exactly. They need that guy with a quick get off.

Who was the guy with the Manning Colts for years that was a speed guy that would come around the

Robert Mathis, I think.
RE: RE: RE: Williams has looked good.  
BestFeature : 9/21/2020 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14981045 islander1 said:
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In comment 14980995 BillKo said:
[quote] In comment 14980977 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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What this D really needs is an Osi, Tuck, or Strahan...an edge rusher who can get to the QB.



Yes, exactly. They need that guy with a quick get off.

Who was the guy with the Manning Colts for years that was a speed guy that would come around the

Robert Mathis, I think.


Dwight Freeney?
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Walnut : 9/21/2020 10:08 pm : link
Man imagine if we had drafted Josh Allan at 6?
Him and DL on the defense would've been cornerstones of the next great Giants defense.

Or if we had Chubb-Lawerence-Allan

Missed opportunity...
RE: ...  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2020 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14981021 christian said:
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The Giants practically need to choose between Tomlinson and Williams. I suspect Williams will command 50% or more, more guaranteed money. For the right money Tomlinson might be the better choice, with a year more tread left on him.


There is no reason they can't spend on 2 DL. Look up how much the Steelers pay their DL. Heyward is on his 3rd contract there, now at 17.5m AAV. Tuitt extended 3 years ago on a 5/60m in his 3rd season (he was a 2nd round pick so they only got 4 years of control with his first deal, so I think they extended him 1 year prior to FA). And with all that they were still able to also tag Dupree this past offseason. Though they will probably not be able to pay both him and Watt long term so I expect they either let him walk or tag + trade him next offseason.

The NYG still have 3 years of control for Lawrence on his rookie deal so there's no rush there, and as we've all discussed ad nauseam they could in theory tag LW again even if it's just for leverage. If they wanted to push things they could probably even hang on to Tomlinson, but in a couple years when Lawrence needs a new contract it would probably be really tight to keep all 3. If they can get Tomlinson on a 3x10m they might be able to keep all 3 for a few years.
Run defense gave up about another 140 yards yesterday  
LBH15 : 9/21/2020 10:15 pm : link
and couldn’t stop the Bears when they had to in 4qtr allowing them to chew up over 5 min and all of our timeouts until they finally did. All this when everybody knew they were going to pound the rock on the ground.

Not monsters yet.

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christian : 9/21/2020 10:44 pm : link
I can see the Giants investing heavily in the d-line and making competitive offers to both Williams and Tomlinson, if that’s the centerpiece of their defensive strategy. I’m assuming the Giants will want to add a premium edge rusher at linebacker, at the expense of one of the lineman.

If the choice is Dupree or Williams, that’s not even a nanosecond of debate in my view, for example. I think the feasibility of tagging Williams at 120% of his ‘20 salary, at what 19.4M, at an adjusted 175M cap is dramatically less likely now.

The Steelers are dead middle in the league in d line spending this and next year. Without Williams the Giants are near the bottom overall in ‘21, so I agree there’s plenty of precedent to spend more on a d-line.

It’s going to be interesting. I suspect Solder, Tate, and possibly Zeitler and Shepard are cap casualties. The Giants also won’t be extending Barkley now, and I’m very low on Peppers and Engram. So I can see an outcome with lots of cap space in 21 and 22.
RE: ...  
Eric on Li : 9/21/2020 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14981088 christian said:
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I can see the Giants investing heavily in the d-line and making competitive offers to both Williams and Tomlinson, if that’s the centerpiece of their defensive strategy. I’m assuming the Giants will want to add a premium edge rusher at linebacker, at the expense of one of the lineman.

If the choice is Dupree or Williams, that’s not even a nanosecond of debate in my view, for example. I think the feasibility of tagging Williams at 120% of his ‘20 salary, at what 19.4M, at an adjusted 175M cap is dramatically less likely now.

The Steelers are dead middle in the league in d line spending this and next year. Without Williams the Giants are near the bottom overall in ‘21, so I agree there’s plenty of precedent to spend more on a d-line.

It’s going to be interesting. I suspect Solder, Tate, and possibly Zeitler and Shepard are cap casualties. The Giants also won’t be extending Barkley now, and I’m very low on Peppers and Engram. So I can see an outcome with lots of cap space in 21 and 22.


I'd bet a lot Dupree doesn't get to UFA. They will tag him and trade him and someone will give up a 2nd round pick at least and maybe a 1st. So I don't think Williams or an edge rusher via FA will be an option. More likely if he continues playing well I'd guess Williams signs an extension somewhat similar to the one Heyward just signed (4x65m), which is also similar to the one Grady Jarrett (4x68m) signed last year.

they will almost definitely be shopping for an edge rusher but more likely it'll be early in the draft because the good ones just don't get to FA.
RE: Run defense gave up about another 140 yards yesterday  
The_Boss : 9/21/2020 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14981068 LBH15 said:
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and couldn’t stop the Bears when they had to in 4qtr allowing them to chew up over 5 min and all of our timeouts until they finally did. All this when everybody knew they were going to pound the rock on the ground.

Not monsters yet.


DL gets overrated here constantly. I wouldn’t put it in the “pro” column yet when determining whether DG continues as GM here. Considering all the premium resources he’s invested into that unit, this unit should be dominant and it isn’t, especially as you said, when the team needed them most.
RE: Run defense gave up about another 140 yards yesterday  
Toth029 : 9/22/2020 2:59 am : link
In comment 14981068 LBH15 said:
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and couldn’t stop the Bears when they had to in 4qtr allowing them to chew up over 5 min and all of our timeouts until they finally did. All this when everybody knew they were going to pound the rock on the ground.

Not monsters yet.

They had Hill and Johnson in on that drive.

Pay attention.
So the coaches were playing Where's Waldo?  
LBH15 : 9/22/2020 7:52 am : link
with Williams, Lawrence and Tomlinson with the game hanging in the balance.

How fun.
RE: ...  
UConn4523 : 9/22/2020 8:44 am : link
In comment 14981088 christian said:
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I can see the Giants investing heavily in the d-line and making competitive offers to both Williams and Tomlinson, if that’s the centerpiece of their defensive strategy. I’m assuming the Giants will want to add a premium edge rusher at linebacker, at the expense of one of the lineman.

If the choice is Dupree or Williams, that’s not even a nanosecond of debate in my view, for example. I think the feasibility of tagging Williams at 120% of his ‘20 salary, at what 19.4M, at an adjusted 175M cap is dramatically less likely now.

The Steelers are dead middle in the league in d line spending this and next year. Without Williams the Giants are near the bottom overall in ‘21, so I agree there’s plenty of precedent to spend more on a d-line.

It’s going to be interesting. I suspect Solder, Tate, and possibly Zeitler and Shepard are cap casualties. The Giants also won’t be extending Barkley now, and I’m very low on Peppers and Engram. So I can see an outcome with lots of cap space in 21 and 22.


Personally I don't trust Dupree with a huge contract. He had 1 big year last year and everything prior was pedestrian despite playing in a top notch program and scheme. I wouldn't bet on him hitting double digit sacks this year in all honesty.

So if it takes $20m + a ton guaranteed to get another Vernon, no thanks.
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christian : 9/22/2020 9:03 am : link
I agree, I don’t think Dupree is a 20M+ AAV player. With the shortfall many teams are facing to get under the 21 cap (and potentially 22) — I don’t think he’ll command that, and I don’t think the marker will dictate it either.

I think he’s a good not great player. All things equal I think he’s just better than Williams.

I’m also less convinced the Steelers have that much leverage if they franchise him at 19M, even if their intention is to trade him. They are going to struggle to get under the cap as it is. Getting under the cap likely means parting ways with Roethlisberger, and then parting ways/redoing a several contracts to come up with another 19M (and really much more to even sign their draft picks).

In short, I don’t think anyone is buying the Steelers at the end of the day can afford a 19M tender.
RE: ...  
Eric on Li : 9/22/2020 9:39 am : link
In comment 14981254 christian said:
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I agree, I don’t think Dupree is a 20M+ AAV player. With the shortfall many teams are facing to get under the 21 cap (and potentially 22) — I don’t think he’ll command that, and I don’t think the marker will dictate it either.

I think he’s a good not great player. All things equal I think he’s just better than Williams.

I’m also less convinced the Steelers have that much leverage if they franchise him at 19M, even if their intention is to trade him. They are going to struggle to get under the cap as it is. Getting under the cap likely means parting ways with Roethlisberger, and then parting ways/redoing a several contracts to come up with another 19M (and really much more to even sign their draft picks).

In short, I don’t think anyone is buying the Steelers at the end of the day can afford a 19M tender.


Did you miss what happened with Ngakwe this offseason? Or Buckner? Or Frank Clark last year? Or Dee Ford?

Honest question - who is the last double digit sack guy to actually make it to FA for their 2nd contract? Off the top of my head it might be Vernon, who actually got transition tagged which the Dolphins then removed to free up cap space only after they decided not to match our offer.

Even in a potentially depressed market pass rushers will always be at a premium and as there are every offseason now there are going to be teams who are 50-100m under the cap even with it remaining flat. Including the aforementioned Jags who have a extra picks, the Colts, the Jets, etc.

Best case is finding a pre-breakout player like the Smiths but that's easier said than done and even that is going to cost what it would cost to sign Williams.
RE: williams nice job of taking on double team as well  
djm : 9/22/2020 10:02 am : link
In comment 14980908 larryinnewhaven said:
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this d needs a stud pass rusher and a solid CB and it would really turn a corner.


Yup, notably it needs a two way DE that can push thomlinson and turn this 3 headed attack into a deeper and better 4 headed attack. We probably need to get to a five headed attack actually.
I mean really what this D needs  
djm : 9/22/2020 10:04 am : link
Is 2 more impact players. Or at least one more impact DE, then add in a solid CB. This is assuming McKinney has us feeling warm and fuzzy by late December of course.
RE: RE: Some monster  
ArlingtonMike : 9/22/2020 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14980928 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14980915 HomerJones45 said:


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4 yard gain by the qb. Merlin Olsen and Alan Page better move over in the HOF. Is that the best example this guy could find?


I know you know this but it deserves being said again and again....you are an absolute piece of shit. Nothing but an old, miserable, useless waste of breath. I couldn’t imagine trying to muddle through life as miserable as you are. Must be glorious.

Flattery gets you nowhere
His lateral quickness  
montanagiant : 9/22/2020 12:03 pm : link
Is amazing for someone his size
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 9/22/2020 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14981293 Eric on Li said:
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Did you miss what happened with Ngakwe this offseason? Or Buckner? Or Frank Clark last year? Or Dee Ford?

Honest question - who is the last double digit sack guy to actually make it to FA for their 2nd contract? Off the top of my head it might be Vernon, who actually got transition tagged which the Dolphins then removed to free up cap space only after they decided not to match our offer.

Even in a potentially depressed market pass rushers will always be at a premium and as there are every offseason now there are going to be teams who are 50-100m under the cap even with it remaining flat. Including the aforementioned Jags who have a extra picks, the Colts, the Jets, etc.

Best case is finding a pre-breakout player like the Smiths but that's easier said than done and even that is going to cost what it would cost to sign Williams.


I’m not sure what point you’re making now. Take a look at the cap situation Pittsburgh is in. This is an extreme outlying scenario. Do you believe they will make the necessary moves to keep or tender him? I don’t think they can. Especially with uncertainty around the 22 cap.

I think there will be a strong market, but not a 20M AAV market for Dupree. If there is awesome. I still think he hits the market. And I still would rather the Giants invest that money in an edge pass rusher. My point is I think the Giants are more balanced defense with an edge rusher, to add to Lawrence, Tomlinson, and Hill.
He's gonna be a stud  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/22/2020 1:48 pm : link
I see the Giants keeping that trio together on the DL. I think Graham is going to want another top corner next year. They most likely take bpa out of CB and Edge. Hoping Carter, Xman can show more but they really need someone who commands a double team.
RE: Run defense gave up about another 140 yards yesterday  
BlueHurricane : 9/22/2020 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14981068 LBH15 said:
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and couldn’t stop the Bears when they had to in 4qtr allowing them to chew up over 5 min and all of our timeouts until they finally did. All this when everybody knew they were going to pound the rock on the ground.

Not monsters yet.


This is all I can think of too when thinking about the game Sunday. Down 4. 5 minutes on the clock and they run right thru the Giants D. 1 and 25 and they run for 23.
In respect..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/22/2020 4:26 pm : link
to this thread, one could realize that Lawrence and Williams are off the field at that point.

Or they can continue to ignore the number of times it has been pointed out.

I wish the only motivation for ignoring that was cluelessness, but alas that doesn't seem to be the case.
christian idk Pitt's plan but I doubt they let Dupree walk free  
Eric on Li : 9/22/2020 4:44 pm : link
obviously the elephant in the room for them is Big Ben and his $40m cap number - cutting him looks like it would save half of that. Haden is turning 32 and entering his last year so he and Ebron look particularly cuttable which depending on Ben could be the only moves they'd need to make to accommodate a tag on Dupree - as prelude before trading him for draft picks.

Given that I believe they'd at minimum get a pick 1 round higher than a comp pick and not have to wait the year, I suspect that's what they do. That would probably be my plan A if I were them. Then once the trade is complete they'd have 20m to spend in the offseason be it on resigning their own players, draft picks, whatever, but they don't tend to spend big in UFA so I'd imagine they will resign their own guys and probably let JuJu go for a high comp pick in 2022.
You guys are worrying about paying 2 DL?  
djm : 9/22/2020 9:16 pm : link
The giants paid their entire defense back in the mid to late 2000s. They were all highly paid.

The giants are gonna pay 90-95% of the players worth paying if not 100% of them. Let’s develop them first.
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arcarsenal : 9/22/2020 9:18 pm : link
Lawrence is going to be an all-pro sooner than later.

I think he's the best player on the defensive side of the ball. Probably the best player on the team with Barkley out, honestly.

Bradberry would be a close 2nd.
RE: In respect..  
LBH15 : 9/22/2020 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14981724 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to this thread, one could realize that Lawrence and Williams are off the field at that point.

Or they can continue to ignore the number of times it has been pointed out.

I wish the only motivation for ignoring that was cluelessness, but alas that doesn't seem to be the case.


Or ignore that they should have been on the field. Or during one of the Three time outs they should have been added. Or even if they weren’t, that the rest of the Defense should have sold out and played the run.

Or based on your type of complacency, just lose.
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