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interesting twitter conversation about Barkleys injury

OdellBeckhamJr : 9/21/2020 9:28 pm
never heard of them, these guys are GOATA trainers, which from my 2 min of research is more about flexibility than brute strength. full link below.




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How many years ago was that?  
j_rud : 9/21/2020 9:34 pm : link
We have no idea what his current training is.
Not surprising  
dank41 : 9/22/2020 5:48 am : link
to me. It may be coincidence (or not) but it feels like anytime a player boasts about bulking up, they get hurt. "Oh man look at Saquons quads. SAQUADS! SAQUADS!"

Lets just say I'm glad DeGrom didn't try to bulk up like Syndergaard did.
Under pressure the weakest link  
section125 : 9/22/2020 6:10 am : link
fails. Weakest are on the legs - knees and ankles.
The real issue is that these guys are taking gear and pushing  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/22/2020 8:57 am : link
their musculature past what their ligaments and frame can handle. Really need more mobility work to counteract this. Jonathan Taylor does bikram hot yoga weekly. Think all these guys need more of that.
The crux of the issue is in this guy's video in the link below  
BH28 : 9/22/2020 9:42 am : link
Valgus knee movements. Anytime your feet get outside the framework of your body and you try and cut on the inside portion of your foot, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Oly lifting, with proper technique, is a knee out very protective position. Not sure what his beef is there. The challenge is that as weight gets heavy, people have a tendency to collapse the knee inward. This is terrible technique and any good coach should stop this and correct it. If you let it go on, you are basically training the body to collapse the knee.

An interesting test to determine if you are in a protective knee position is to jump off a two foot box. When you land, your knees should be pushing outward. If they collapse inward, that's a bad sign as the athlete is ligament dominant as opposed to muscle dominant. Meaning they are using the knee ligaments to stabilize the knee rather than the muscles (nothing to do with muscle size). The athlete would need to re-trained to put himself in a more muscle dominant position which is protective of the knee.
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Nice write up BH  
ron mexico : 9/22/2020 9:49 am : link
I remember trainers sporting this movement pattern in RG3 early on, predicting his injuries.

These guys are over training  
djm : 9/22/2020 10:00 am : link
Built like Tarzan and play like Tarzan but hold up like Jane. Barkley is just another in a long line.
RE: The real issue is that these guys are taking gear and pushing  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/22/2020 10:05 am : link
In comment 14981247 Zeke's Alibi said:
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their musculature past what their ligaments and frame can handle. Really need more mobility work to counteract this. Jonathan Taylor does bikram hot yoga weekly. Think all these guys need more of that.


This is spot on. The musculature point is one that we've seen since the enormous frames of David Boston and LaRon Landry broke down consistently. They made their frames significantly larger with PED's, and they aren't the only ones. The human skeleton isn't meant to be overstressed and that's part of the issues we are seeing now. Too much bulk, not enough flexibility
The irony is that the quad and hamstring muscles are designed  
BH28 : 9/22/2020 10:11 am : link
To protect the knee. So a guy like Saquon shouldn't have any issue with muscle fatigue playing a factor in a bad knee position.

But all the muscle in the world can't protect against a valgus knee movement. It's torquing the ligament in a way your leg muscles can't protect it.

RE: RE: The real issue is that these guys are taking gear and pushing  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/22/2020 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14981336 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14981247 Zeke's Alibi said:


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their musculature past what their ligaments and frame can handle. Really need more mobility work to counteract this. Jonathan Taylor does bikram hot yoga weekly. Think all these guys need more of that.



This is spot on. The musculature point is one that we've seen since the enormous frames of David Boston and LaRon Landry broke down consistently. They made their frames significantly larger with PED's, and they aren't the only ones. The human skeleton isn't meant to be overstressed and that's part of the issues we are seeing now. Too much bulk, not enough flexibility


It's actually a mixture of what I said and what BH28 said. These guys are so big that their margin of error in movements is much smaller. I'm surprised they don't work on this more in all honesty. Jimmy G and Teddy Bridgewater were obviously gonna blow out a knee at some point. Looking at Haskins, its only a matter of time with him as well with how much he likes to run.
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