Obviously, the loss of Barkley was huge can’t be easily replaced. With past OCs, nothing would have changed. The PC would have been the same and predictable. I think the last OC we had who was not averse to change was Gilbride.
I always viewed JG as a solid PC. Sure, he had his wtf moments, i.e. overusing Barber against us in the first half of our playoff game in 2008, to where he had nothing left in the second half. But it appeared that his wtf moments were few and far between, imv.
When he became HC, his OCs seemed to be in lock-step with his PC tendencies, which was simply to change whenever necessary, given his personnel on game day and the looks the D gave him.
This is the reason I was thrilled when they hired him as the OC. He’ll work to DJ’s strengths as he did with Romo.
I’m looking forward to what he has planned sans SB and how he will utilize our RBs, whoever they might be. He’s not a miracle worker and there might very well be the expected “glitches,” but one thing’s for certainly, he will not be stagnant, imho.
He was our best playmaker, and he did very little to get Barkley the ball in space.
He was our best playmaker, and he did very little to get Barkley the ball in space.
At face value I would agree but mainly due to the Steelers game. That said they threw everything they had at him and just won that battle.
Bears game was different. He was starting to feel it right before the injury, I have to believe that wasn't just coincidence.
He was our best playmaker, and he did very little to get Barkley the ball in space.
+1
Just something to think about.
That will be your running game
The skill players are a big problem without the running game and Barkley. Jones does not have the OL and weapons without a ground game and unfortunately it will lead to more turnovers.
Oh boy! A really slow TE is just the tonic for what's ailing the offense.
Doesn't this sound familiar?
The Giants are lucky to have him . Jones is particularly lucky to have him .
I think it's a solid mix between older and younger fans. Age doesn't necessarily mean wisdom. Fans that choose to limit their understanding of the game mixed with an arrogant attitude struggle to understand how and why certain teams may win or lose on a somewhat consistent basis. Anytime we decide that we know all there is to know without understanding we are on the outside looking in our minds seem to close to contrary information. In my opinion.
What exactly bothers you about that, aside from Plax and a depleted/overworked/injured D down the stretch?
But we're not re-hashing that one!.
How ya been?
But we're not re-hashing that one!.
How ya been?
Doing great..Ah, I kinda recall the Hixon talk..
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Oh boy! A really slow TE is just the tonic for what's ailing the offense.
NOT IN ANY WAY COMPARING THEM, but Witten was slow as shit. Kaden can block and hopefully JG, should he utilize him, can get him into open spaces
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Oh boy! A really slow TE is just the tonic for what's ailing the offense.
Garrett and his offense so far have been unimpressive and the offense lousy. Lots of 3-4 passes, no running game to speak of and total shit in the red zone.
The Giants are lucky to have him . Jones is particularly lucky to have him .
Prove it Jason. After a couple of games with an offense where there are 5 #1 picks (3 of those top 10) and 3 #2 picks, the results have been underwhelming.
Sounds too easy. I know fans want to just ditch what isn't working but that rarely works out in the NFL. If it did you'd see it happen all the time.
WE stop trying to establish the run we are left trying to put the team on Jones' shoulders throwing to now maybe 2 legit options in the passing game. That's a recipe for disaster, IMO.
No training camp
barely any practice
New staff
New players
And people are expecting to see results in 2 freaking games!!!!??
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By a developing O-line, losing Saquon, and Jones's inconsistencies -- I just hope to see him adapting more quickly to circumstances moving forward. The first 2 games, he's been hell-bent on establishing the run, to the offense's detriment (overwhelmed OL in game 1, Barkley's injury in game 2). Balance is a nice thing, but I've seen two many 2-yard gains (and negative yardage plays) on the ground, with Garrett stubbornly continuing to go to that well, when the only mild success we've had is through the air. This is where Judge as team CEO needs to come into play, and get Garrett to stop going with what's not working a lot sooner.
Sounds too easy. I know fans want to just ditch what isn't working but that rarely works out in the NFL. If it did you'd see it happen all the time.
WE stop trying to establish the run we are left trying to put the team on Jones' shoulders throwing to now maybe 2 legit options in the passing game. That's a recipe for disaster, IMO.
I know we shouldn't oversimplify, but I do think most coaches in this league are pretty rigid to a fault, and stick to what they believe rather than what they see, way too much. It's why a coach like Belichick looks like such a genius -- he's not afraid to mix things up and adjust on the fly.
Like I said, Garrett hasn't been dealt a great hand. But if Judge wants this to be a "multiple" team that adapts to the opponent and the situation, it starts with playcalling. If the alternative is between letting Jones air it out and hoping he develops under fire, or continuing to slam established mediocrities like Gallman/Lewis into the line for 2-yard gains or losses, I know which way I'd pick.
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By a developing O-line, losing Saquon, and Jones's inconsistencies -- I just hope to see him adapting more quickly to circumstances moving forward. The first 2 games, he's been hell-bent on establishing the run, to the offense's detriment (overwhelmed OL in game 1, Barkley's injury in game 2). Balance is a nice thing, but I've seen two many 2-yard gains (and negative yardage plays) on the ground, with Garrett stubbornly continuing to go to that well, when the only mild success we've had is through the air. This is where Judge as team CEO needs to come into play, and get Garrett to stop going with what's not working a lot sooner.
Sounds too easy. I know fans want to just ditch what isn't working but that rarely works out in the NFL. If it did you'd see it happen all the time.
WE stop trying to establish the run we are left trying to put the team on Jones' shoulders throwing to now maybe 2 legit options in the passing game. That's a recipe for disaster, IMO.
I know we shouldn't oversimplify, but I do think most coaches in this league are pretty rigid to a fault, and stick to what they believe rather than what they see, way too much. It's why a coach like Belichick looks like such a genius -- he's not afraid to mix things up and adjust on the fly.
Like I said, Garrett hasn't been dealt a great hand. But if Judge wants this to be a "multiple" team that adapts to the opponent and the situation, it starts with playcalling. If the alternative is between letting Jones air it out and hoping he develops under fire, or continuing to slam established mediocrities like Gallman/Lewis into the line for 2-yard gains or losses, I know which way I'd pick.
But if Judge wants this to be a "multiple" team that adapts to the opponent and the situation, it starts with playcalling.
Well, if he’s learned anything from Belichick during his 8 (?) years there, he will adjust and quickly..
Did one of them put the gun in Plax's sweatpants?
ESPECIALLY when you have an entirely new coaching staff, or almost so.
They ran Jacobs plays for Ward they ran Burress plays for Hixon. One of their biggest weaknesses was insisting on jamming square pegs into round holes.
As far as Barkley goes we're about 3 week away from a completely different tune around here. You'll see.
They ran Jacobs plays for Ward they ran Burress plays for Hixon. One of their biggest weaknesses was insisting on jamming square pegs into round holes.
As far as Barkley goes we're about 3 week away from a completely different tune around here. You'll see.
This. This is what I felt about that tandem. The inability to change strategy. I remember the RB coach being asked the same question and he said they wasn't changing the plays.
Nice strawman -- show me where I said we should pass on every down. I'm talking about making in-game adjustments, like good teams do. When straight-ahead 1st-and-10 runs are consistently resulting in 2nd and 10+, I'd like to see them mix things up, even if it's just a misdirection run. So far I've seen more playcalling variety from Shurmur's offense.
Anyway, Jones should be the focus moving forward, especially with Barkley out. I realize Judge is a fundamentals guy, and he's trying to establish fundamentals in all aspects of offense, but if this is about building something sustainable, as he keeps saying, he has to determine if Jones is part of the solution or the problem. Gear the attack around him and see how he responds. He might not be the future, but having the likes of Lewis and Gallman handling the ball on half your offensive plays definitely isn't the future.
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Oh boy! A really slow TE is just the tonic for what's ailing the offense.
Wondering if JG will do just that given how SS is out with a turf toe
No big deal. Just one thing that bothered me through that time. That tandem won 2 SB's. What the hell do I know?
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He was raised in the Coryell -Zampese-Turner Cowboy version of the Vertical . He proved his adaptability to changing circumstances by refining his offense to match Dak’s skill set .
The Giants are lucky to have him . Jones is particularly lucky to have him .
Let me fix the title for you- "Garrett [thinks he] is a superior offensive mind".
Prove it Jason. After a couple of games with an offense where there are 5 #1 picks (3 of those top 10) and 3 #2 picks, the results have been underwhelming.
I just don't understand some of the ridiculous shit you post. Do you have any supporting evidence that Garrett thinks he is a superior offensive mind?? Of course you don't, it is just the continued assault on the board as a doddering, negative blowhard.
Part of the reason Garrett lasted so long in Dallas is his humility. It is known throughout the league. A brash, arrogant guy would've butted head with Jones and been shown the door quickly. His lack of arrogance has actually been used against him in the past.
I get people being disappointed with the team, but insulting a guy without having any fucking clue about what you're saying is pretty despicable, yet we see it time and again.
Most important thing this season DJ's development.
To be honest, the first half he did not look like an NFL QB. The second half he did.
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He was raised in the Coryell -Zampese-Turner Cowboy version of the Vertical . He proved his adaptability to changing circumstances by refining his offense to match Dak’s skill set .
The Giants are lucky to have him . Jones is particularly lucky to have him .
Let me fix the title for you- "Garrett [thinks he] is a superior offensive mind".
Prove it Jason. After a couple of games with an offense where there are 5 #1 picks (3 of those top 10) and 3 #2 picks, the results have been underwhelming.
I just don't understand some of the ridiculous shit you post. Do you have any supporting evidence that Garrett thinks he is a superior offensive mind?? Of course you don't, it is just the continued assault on the board as a doddering, negative blowhard.
Part of the reason Garrett lasted so long in Dallas is his humility. It is known throughout the league. A brash, arrogant guy would've butted head with Jones and been shown the door quickly. His lack of arrogance has actually been used against him in the past.
I get people being disappointed with the team, but insulting a guy without having any fucking clue about what you're saying is pretty despicable, yet we see it time and again.
And if you want to see a blowhard, go look in the mirror, jackass.
If you are following this team and personally attack the OC by being completely full of shit, I hope you are called on it every fucking time. It's downright embarrassing.
You supposedly follow this team, yet have no clue on how Garrett is looked at. No idea what he's noted for by his peers and yet you derided him on the exact opposite thing he's known for. He's one of the good guys in the NFL. He's a down to Earth guy. Yet you decided to take a potshot at him with no evidence.
The better question is why the fuck that post ever sees the light of day
Do you realize the difference in the two jobs? Have you watched what the last 2 HC hires did here and what they did previously?
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He was raised in the Coryell -Zampese-Turner Cowboy version of the Vertical . He proved his adaptability to changing circumstances by refining his offense to match Dak’s skill set .
The Giants are lucky to have him . Jones is particularly lucky to have him .
Let me fix the title for you- "Garrett [thinks he] is a superior offensive mind".
Prove it Jason. After a couple of games with an offense where there are 5 #1 picks (3 of those top 10) and 3 #2 picks, the results have been underwhelming.
I just don't understand some of the ridiculous shit you post. Do you have any supporting evidence that Garrett thinks he is a superior offensive mind?? Of course you don't, it is just the continued assault on the board as a doddering, negative blowhard.
Part of the reason Garrett lasted so long in Dallas is his humility. It is known throughout the league. A brash, arrogant guy would've butted head with Jones and been shown the door quickly. His lack of arrogance has actually been used against him in the past.
I get people being disappointed with the team, but insulting a guy without having any fucking clue about what you're saying is pretty despicable, yet we see it time and again.
I'll post what I want, and I don't give a flying fuck if you don't like it. 7/8 of this Board thought Garrett was a failure in Dallas with the talent he had to work with and had a good time yukking it up at his expense. Now that he's the OC here, the same 7/8 want to suck him off. Let's see this team break the magical 20 point barrier.
And if you want to see a blowhard, go look in the mirror, jackass.
Gene, as UConn posted, most of us wanted to steer clear of him as a HC. Most of us had no problem with him as our OC.