whether or not Jones is a franchise QB or not, who should or shouldn't get paid in two years, and who should, who should get fired at the end of the season and who shouldn't, whether it was Eli, Coughlin, or Reese's fault, none of that. I've personally been arguing about that stuff for years with people and I JUST DON'T CARE anymore. Who's right, who's wrong, who gives a shit? It's not fun anymore. Football is supposed to be fun and entertaining yet it feels like an intellectual war where battle lines are drawn and perpetuated week to week by the results.
Saquon's injury was devastating, but admittedly one of the first things I thought was "oh great, now it's going to be harder to defend taking him with the #2 overall pick on BBI". And you know what? I feel stupid for thinking that. Who cares? It doesn't matter. I've admittedly gotten too caught up in that stuff and am forgetting to enjoy the actual games.
I'm week to week now. It's a young team and a young HC and that's all I care about now. I just want to watch the team focusing on one game at a time as a football game. That's it. It's just a football game. Gonna just sit back and watch and see what happens. I'm not saying everybody should buy into that, if it weren't for the arguments, there'd be nothing to talk about. I'm just mentally exhausted from it all. I don't know if anybody else feels that way.
Go Giants. Hopefully we have a chance to be entertained this Sunday and come away with a win, no matter how we get it. It's time for me to remember what it's like to be a fan. At the end of the day, I've been entertained by the last two games, despite the injuries, despite the losses. I hope that continues. Because that's what it's all about.
I'm self aware enough to understand that this is a fairly self-indulgent post and expect to take my share of shots and heat for it. But it's genuine and I just wondered if anybody else felt the same way...
Nothing fucking matter if Joe Judge is another coaching bust. Doesn't matter who they draft next, or what current players should come or go.
This season is a win if the team overall is trending upwards, and Joe Judge continues to build for future success.
I think that’s just it. I can’t control what the Giants do, but I can control how fun I allow it all to be or not be. I miss the days when Sunday’s felt like an event. I want to get back to that, where the lead up is just as important as the game itself. That is something I can control. A really entertaining game or win is just the cherry on top.
Yes there needs to be progress on the W/L record as well, but there's still time for that. They were heavy underdogs in both of the opening games against 2 of the better defenses in the NFL, at full health, and with returning coaching staffs/schemes.
There are things to like even in these first 2 losses - Thomas has held his own, the FA's are all stepping in as noticeable upgrades, the coaching staff has seemed to have the team better prepared and competing hard, especially on the D, and most of all Jones is still delivering the football with exceptional accuracy.
Losing Saquon is a tangible kick in the nuts but so much of this season is about Jones and Judge. In 2 difficult tests they have had some ups and downs, but certainly also some reasons for optimism. Progress as the season moves along is the key.
That said, I remain encouraged by the Joe Judge hire. I could easily be wrong as I have other things, but JJ feels like a different breed of coach who has a firm grasp on the big picture and how to get there. And I say that in a resounding positive sense. So I am hopeful, for what ever that is worth.
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this boy just wanna have fun -- time for a tailgate in the yard Baby!!!
I think that’s just it. I can’t control what the Giants do, but I can control how fun I allow it all to be or not be. I miss the days when Sunday’s felt like an event. I want to get back to that, where the lead up is just as important as the game itself. That is something I can control. A really entertaining game or win is just the cherry on top.
Ha -- I set this up so quick -- and even got my sweetie on the hook -- gonna surprise her with a spa package during the tail gate -- this is gonna rock -- an all out door feast -- scrambled egg and grilled sausage sammiches for breakfast - BBQ cornish hens with pit baked taters and fresh tomato slices with mozzarella basil leaves drizzled with evo and aged balsamic salad and good san geovesi vino; lobsta rolls for dinner w bubbly -- I'm psyched
Good idea Britt!!!!
Jerry Reese 2007, 2008, and 2009(first two games):
Won 26 Loss 10 - (Won superbowl in that span)
Dave Gettlemen 2018, 2019, and 2020 (first two games):
Won 9 Loss 25
Not looking good for Dave Gettlemen
Now people have a hard time recognizing this is a totally new team with a new HC and direction but people are tying it in to the last few years. I really believe better times will be here soon.
"NY Giants: its not whether you win or lose, its how you play the game!"
Not exactly "Just win baby!"
It’s all about development. Why would anyone advocate tearing things down when the young players don’t even have a full season under their belts. At some point, stability is needed.
Getting rid of Dave Gettleman and Chris Mara is hardly advocating "tearing things down". In fact I can reasonably argue that getting a GM/player personnel department more in line with what Joe Judge wants will expedite the rebuild.
I highly doubt Chris Mara is the reason this team has been bad.
I highly doubt Chris Mara is the reason this team has been bad.
He is literally the head of player personnel, "reporting" directly to Gettleman
P.S. - his head assistant, Tim O'Connell, is Chris's nephew aka also a Mara.
So while you "dont think" he "does much" thats either false or completely unacceptable. This is a multi-billion dollar franchise, not a neighborhood deli. And it has stunk, in large part, because of player personnel's shortcomings.
Bottom line, if you don't think rampant nepotism is destroying this franchise, I have bad news for you. And if you think fans should ignore that, you're flat out wrong.
you may not like it but accept it - ( New Window )
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this is a family business. I’m not so sure he even does much. Whenever draft time roles around he is prepping for the Kentucky Derby.
I highly doubt Chris Mara is the reason this team has been bad.
He is literally the head of player personnel, "reporting" directly to Gettleman
P.S. - his head assistant, Tim O'Connell, is Chris's nephew aka also a Mara.
So while you "dont think" he "does much" thats either false or completely unacceptable. This is a multi-billion dollar franchise, not a neighborhood deli. And it has stunk, in large part, because of player personnel's shortcomings.
Bottom line, if you don't think rampant nepotism is destroying this franchise, I have bad news for you. And if you think fans should ignore that, you're flat out wrong. you may not like it but accept it - ( New Window )
So you have a hard time believing a guy with a big fancy title does next to nothing in a multi-million dollar organization? You know we're in America, right?
I guess I missed the article where Chris Mara was mentioned as the prime reason a particular player was drafted, or the major role he's played in running our scouts. In fact, I've yet to see or hear actual proof that Chris Mara is anything more than a figurehead. If you want to make the case that he's a useless family hire who's been shunted to the side, I can go with that. But unless you've something more than suppositions and speculation, claiming that he's actively sabotaging the organization seems a stretch.
The Giants have gotten feedback in recent weeks that some coaches would be hesitant to go there without structural changes. Lots of people have been in their jobs for decades there. Some think the franchise needs a reset.
We'll see what happens.
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I keep hearing about Chris Mara wanting the NY Giants GM job, be it two years ago when he was passed over, now or whenever. Is there anyone who has confidence in his abilities? There was open dysfunction between him and Jerry Reese. How do you fire your own brother?
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The Giants have gotten feedback in recent weeks that some coaches would be hesitant to go there without structural changes. Lots of people have been in their jobs for decades there. Some think the franchise needs a reset.
We'll see what happens. Link - ( New Window )
Recent weeks? That article is from December of last year right after they fired Shurmur. And before they started their coaching search
Contrast with basketball for me, where I don’t participate in a community, and the game is over my head. I watch the same way I did as a kid.
There are a number of guys on the site who I think have great insights, guys who are great at framing arguments, guys with information that’s awesome to learn about.
But there’s no prize for winning BBI. It’s just chatting and information. Good for you Britt, sounds like maybe arguing on here was becoming more important than you want it to be. I hope you enjoy the season.
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What you will
The Giants have gotten feedback in recent weeks that some coaches would be hesitant to go there without structural changes. Lots of people have been in their jobs for decades there. Some think the franchise needs a reset.
We'll see what happens. Link - ( New Window )
Recent weeks? That article is from December of last year right after they fired Shurmur. And before they started their coaching search
The text was a quote from the article, yes it’s an article from this past winter
Let's agree for the sake of posterity that DG and the Giants fucked up in 2018 by going all in. No use arguing anymore, let's just agree even if some of don't want to kill DG for that year, fine, let's move on. I have seen people say that DG is damaging this franchise and I am sorry, I don't see if from 19 to 2020. Not at all. All I see is young kids being drafted and developed.
So with that said, forget the fucking past. Why? Because it MEANS NOTHING. Bad teams turn good again. Good elite teams turn bad. Just because the Giants sucked for 7-8 years doesn't mean they suck next year. You know it. I know it. Do the last 7-8 years suck and make things worse? Sure if you want to dwell on that, and no one wants to see this team win big games again more than me, but if you treat this team with a sort of clean slate, it doesn't suck as much to just hope for player development and progress.
Maybe I am asking too much but I am done with the misery. I want to see players develop this season and lets see them win games that mean something before too long. Maybe win a division game or 3. One game at a time. One month at a time. If they shit the bed all year and shit the bed come next September too-- I will panic then.
I wish I could say the same. Even some here saying they don't watch unless the Giants win, man I wish I could do this. I even preach it "enjoy the highs more than you despair the lows" but I can't do it. IF I didn't watch and they lost i'd still be miserable.
this fucking team owns my ass. I don't know why. Every other sport I consider myself a pretty grounded fan--I love the Yanks, Knicks and Rangers but if they lose, I shake it off. The Giants are in my blood. They lose, I lose. Fucking garbage. I didn't ask for this.
But if it ever gets to the point where a player is writhing on the turf in pain and before he even gets up I'm slamming away on a keyboard to call the guy a china doll, a dancer who deserves what he gets or penning a diatribe against the GM, fucking take me out to a pasture and put a bullet in my head.
Instead, the very same people who wrote disgusting posts came on later that day and the next and stood by them.
That's when you step back and realize we have some fucked up fans. We share space with a few demented asswipes and when people say we have an intelligent fanbase, that lowest common denominator takes a gigantic shit on the rest of us.
I heard the ahh-ahhh
That said, I do believe that 10-6 is a tall order now.
9-7, but have you seen the Division?!
We're still in the playoff hunt!
Go Giants!
I keep hearing about Chris Mara wanting the NY Giants GM job, be it two years ago when he was passed over, now or whenever. Is there anyone who has confidence in his abilities? There was open dysfunction between him and Jerry Reese. How do you fire your own brother? Link - ( New Window )
The fact that people are defending this is mind boggling.
Let's agree for the sake of posterity that DG and the Giants fucked up in 2018 by going all in. No use arguing anymore, let's just agree even if some of don't want to kill DG for that year, fine, let's move on. I have seen people say that DG is damaging this franchise and I am sorry, I don't see if from 19 to 2020. Not at all. All I see is young kids being drafted and developed.
So with that said, forget the fucking past. Why? Because it MEANS NOTHING. Bad teams turn good again. Good elite teams turn bad. Just because the Giants sucked for 7-8 years doesn't mean they suck next year. You know it. I know it. Do the last 7-8 years suck and make things worse? Sure if you want to dwell on that, and no one wants to see this team win big games again more than me, but if you treat this team with a sort of clean slate, it doesn't suck as much to just hope for player development and progress.
Maybe I am asking too much but I am done with the misery. I want to see players develop this season and lets see them win games that mean something before too long. Maybe win a division game or 3. One game at a time. One month at a time. If they shit the bed all year and shit the bed come next September too-- I will panic then.
I'm with you 100% djm, but let's face it, the reason a lot of people are upset right now is that 2013-2019 HAS happened, and many can't ignore it. And I can't necessarily blame them.
Some complain for the sake of complaining, but a good portion of BBIers are griping because they want the team to do better, and are frustrated because they believe the same mistakes are being made, over and over again, with the same people at the top responsible. I could disagree with them and debate fine points, but until the actual results change, it feels a bit like arguing over deck chairs on the Titanic.
But when we get back on the winning track -- whenever that happens -- all this too shall pass. We endured an 18-year run that makes this era look like a picnic in comparison, but no one (apart from miserable curmudgeons) gets agita over 1963-1980 anymore.
But if it ever gets to the point where a player is writhing on the turf in pain and before he even gets up I'm slamming away on a keyboard to call the guy a china doll, a dancer who deserves what he gets or penning a diatribe against the GM, fucking take me out to a pasture and put a bullet in my head.
Instead, the very same people who wrote disgusting posts came on later that day and the next and stood by them.
That's when you step back and realize we have some fucked up fans. We share space with a few demented asswipes and when people say we have an intelligent fanbase, that lowest common denominator takes a gigantic shit on the rest of us.
Oh, the drama on BBI.
Just so you know, those few fucked up fans really don’t make the entire rest of the fan base look bad. That’s kind of an exaggeration you made up.
That didn’t take long, huh?
That never stopped!
Anyway, careful with those exaggerations for effect...I’ll be watching.
Anyway, careful with those exaggerations for effect...I’ll be watching.
The main question is - under what handle??
Are you still really trying to deny that you changed handles? And you are the exaggeration police?? Fucking troll.
Jumping into every thread only looking for a chance to berate some of the...what did you call them, demented asswipes that make all the rest of the real fans look bad.
Or am I exaggerating?
It's exaggerating to say we have a few fucked up fans and demented asswipes? How about some reading comprehension before you continue your cuntery
Keep up or move on to somebody that you might want to berate.
You’ve made a 25 year gig out of it. I worry at the thought you might ever get the BBI you fight for, for fear you might not have reason to post. It would be bittersweet for you I imagine.
Use it again, and I will post the same above. Assume others will as well.
You’ve made a 25 year gig out of it. I worry at the thought you might ever get the BBI you fight for, for fear you might not have reason to post. It would be bittersweet for you I imagine.
I post about basically anything. Food, football, and fucking idiots.
Probably giving the attention to Googs feeds into his schtick, but I've already admitted I chase windmills. One day, maybe I'll find the motivation one has to pollute a football board with inanity under different handles.
Until then, I'll just keep highlighting the cuntery. The cuntery.
Show your kids this thread. And tell them this is appropriate.
That was the desired result.
When you come back, talk football.
You watched because it was fun. Growing up pre-internet all we had were a couple of news articles a day. After a loss, I might not read them. After a win, I'd relish in them. But, it was just a few a day. And we'd talk about it in the family, but it wasn't to argue viciously. It was to share opinions, bond over it. Heck, we had "in depth" info from Inside Football, which then was like an 8 page ditto that came weekly for more in-depth analysis about each position.
I think this year I'm trying to go back to that mentality a bit. My expectations are down. It's a young team and a young coach. The main thing I want to see, at long last, is improvement. Saquon going down hurt that some. But while I can read more and enjoy analyses of the OL, all I'm really hoping for this year is a sense that we're pointed in the right direction and at long last laying a foundation.
I loved Eli, it's clear to me in retrospect the owners loved him so much they put too much into trying to get him one more run. Starting with DJ, they've switched to future mode. And the change to JJ this off season makes it full steam to the future.
So I'm not sweating the small stuff this year. All I want to see are:
- DJ continue to grow and prove he's our QB.
- JJ prove he's a HC, so far so good
- Our new LT prove he belongs in the NFL
- Our OL begin to gel
- Our D find out who can play, and who needs to go
- Our D finds cohesiveness so we're not getting beat by errors, but making teams earn their Ws
Early returns are good on these ?.
As you say, what's the point of arguing about SB or whether Fackerell is the future at OLB. Are we building a foundation? The rest is details.
When you come back, talk football.
I need to stand down? I use the word cuntery and I'm called a bad person.
Your hypocrisy extends past dupe handle creation and trolling into etymology now. Fantastic.
There is good stuff happening on the field, along with the bad and still hard to watch stuff. I'd wager there's still systemic stuff upstairs that needs to get fixed, including nepotism, that's slowing down the return to success. This is the stuff where you can really kill your fanhood dwelling on it, because it's hard to quantify and almost no shot the Maras start pushing their own out the door.
Until they move the Chris Maras out or down the ladder, and stop relying on succession plans for non-football guys as GM, it will be difficult for them to be agile and able to modernize to the cutting edge, imv.
There is good stuff happening on the field, along with the bad and still hard to watch stuff. I'd wager there's still systemic stuff upstairs that needs to get fixed, including nepotism, that's slowing down the return to success. This is the stuff where you can really kill your fanhood dwelling on it, because it's hard to quantify and almost no shot the Maras start pushing their own out the door.
Until they move the Chris Maras out or down the ladder, and stop relying on succession plans for non-football guys as GM, it will be difficult for them to be agile and able to modernize to the cutting edge, imv.
Yes, and yes.
The positives happening on the field are now where I want to shift my attention. The rest I can't control anyway so why dwell on it. That is the mindset I'd like to begin to get myself back into.
You watched because it was fun. Growing up pre-internet all we had were a couple of news articles a day. After a loss, I might not read them. After a win, I'd relish in them. But, it was just a few a day. And we'd talk about it in the family, but it wasn't to argue viciously. It was to share opinions, bond over it. Heck, we had "in depth" info from Inside Football, which then was like an 8 page ditto that came weekly for more in-depth analysis about each position.
I think this year I'm trying to go back to that mentality a bit. My expectations are down. It's a young team and a young coach. The main thing I want to see, at long last, is improvement. Saquon going down hurt that some. But while I can read more and enjoy analyses of the OL, all I'm really hoping for this year is a sense that we're pointed in the right direction and at long last laying a foundation.
I loved Eli, it's clear to me in retrospect the owners loved him so much they put too much into trying to get him one more run. Starting with DJ, they've switched to future mode. And the change to JJ this off season makes it full steam to the future.
So I'm not sweating the small stuff this year. All I want to see are:
- DJ continue to grow and prove he's our QB.
- JJ prove he's a HC, so far so good
- Our new LT prove he belongs in the NFL
- Our OL begin to gel
- Our D find out who can play, and who needs to go
- Our D finds cohesiveness so we're not getting beat by errors, but making teams earn their Ws
Early returns are good on these ?.
As you say, what's the point of arguing about SB or whether Fackerell is the future at OLB. Are we building a foundation? The rest is details.
Perfectly stated.
Too many fans believe that they know more than they do.
Many of them believe that they need to make sure that as many people as possible see that they don't know what they don't know.
Until they move the Chris Maras out or down the ladder, and stop relying on succession plans for non-football guys as GM, it will be difficult for them to be agile and able to modernize to the cutting edge, imv.
This post is why I've 100% put the failures of the Giants on Mara for the last 7-8 years and counting. I'm hoping there's a light at the end of the tunnel (Judge) but I'd have to see the next GM hire and upper mgmt. decisions first.