whether or not Jones is a franchise QB or not, who should or shouldn't get paid in two years, and who should, who should get fired at the end of the season and who shouldn't, whether it was Eli, Coughlin, or Reese's fault, none of that. I've personally been arguing about that stuff for years with people and I JUST DON'T CARE anymore. Who's right, who's wrong, who gives a shit? It's not fun anymore. Football is supposed to be fun and entertaining yet it feels like an intellectual war where battle lines are drawn and perpetuated week to week by the results.
Saquon's injury was devastating, but admittedly one of the first things I thought was "oh great, now it's going to be harder to defend taking him with the #2 overall pick on BBI". And you know what? I feel stupid for thinking that. Who cares? It doesn't matter. I've admittedly gotten too caught up in that stuff and am forgetting to enjoy the actual games.
I'm week to week now. It's a young team and a young HC and that's all I care about now. I just want to watch the team focusing on one game at a time as a football game. That's it. It's just a football game. Gonna just sit back and watch and see what happens. I'm not saying everybody should buy into that, if it weren't for the arguments, there'd be nothing to talk about. I'm just mentally exhausted from it all. I don't know if anybody else feels that way.
Go Giants. Hopefully we have a chance to be entertained this Sunday and come away with a win, no matter how we get it. It's time for me to remember what it's like to be a fan. At the end of the day, I've been entertained by the last two games, despite the injuries, despite the losses. I hope that continues. Because that's what it's all about.
I'm self aware enough to understand that this is a fairly self-indulgent post and expect to take my share of shots and heat for it. But it's genuine and I just wondered if anybody else felt the same way...
Obsessing over things you can't control isn't healthy.
I am not wired to always assign blame to the GM or owner every time the team loses a game. Doesn't mean the GM is doing a great job, but it's just so fucking tiring.
As usual, broken fucking record that I am, I need to see more. It's WEEK 2. Watch the games. Try and enjoy the season and look for player development and maybe a few wins before november.
Agreed. I went to go play Bethpage Black last sunday. Tired of watching a bad/mediocre football team play when its still nice out on Sunday's.
So, he should stay away from your intellect?!
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They seem to be at LEAST a year (and another draft/FA class) away from being competitive. I'm usually interested in seeing how the young guys perform, but once again, I'm on the verse of taping the games and only watching if they won.
It’s beautiful weather outside. Time to get back to making the most of the time around the football game... Making good food, getting excited for kickoff, enjoying the fall weather.
I just want a win. One at a time. That’s it. If we lose, well, on to next week.
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I'm tired of wasting my time watching boring football played by bad (some, not all) football players.
Agreed. I went to go play Bethpage Black last sunday. Tired of watching a bad/mediocre football team play when its still nice out on Sunday's.
How did you play? Love that track.
Also true with things like re-litigating the Leonard Williams trade. We get it, most think the trade was stupid. But at this point, let's root for him to be a good Giant.
It’s beautiful weather outside. Time to get back to making the most of the time around the football game... Making good food, getting excited for kickoff, enjoying the fall weather.
I just want a win. One at a time. That’s it. If we lose, well, on to next week.
Yep. I don't stress too much on Sundays anymore. Give me some good beers (or wine, or whiskey, or tequila, or a couple of each?), let me teach my 6 year old son a little bit about the game, and hopefully it's close enough to stay engaged for the full 4 quarters.
I think this organization has fucked up major decisions at nearly every turn for the better part of the last 10 years, and the results would bear that out to a good extent, but at a certain point it isn't worth investing energy or incurring unhappiness to argue the point.
This is a good plan going forward.
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I'm tired of wasting my time watching boring football played by bad (some, not all) football players.
Agreed. I went to go play Bethpage Black last sunday. Tired of watching a bad/mediocre football team play when its still nice out on Sunday's.
How did you play? Love that track.
So I've played it about a dozen times this year. Finally broke 80 from the whites and the blues (lowest from the whites is 76 and lowest from the blues is 78)
I shot 82, it was really windy out there. Still fun though.
Maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment - but I like this Giants team and feel like the arrow is pointing up.
I actually like their chances of beating the 49ers this week and still think they can compete in a very mediocre NFL east this season.
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like you should keep away from sharp objects right now.
So, he should stay away from your intellect?!
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Major Fail for me
I'll show myself out...
i can say from personal experience that the older i get, the less it is about the players and the games than it is about the moves the front office makes. seeing how a team gets built is as fun as watching a built team play. it also makes following the organization a year-round event, which has its benefits.
just glad i have first-class organization to follow, even if the wins have been hard to come by for the better part of the last decade...
It is a team in transition. There is no one on this team yet that really makes me passionate. All my favorite players are now retired and no new favorites have yet to emerge.
I didn't watch the game this weekend. It was a beautiful crisp sunny fall day. Instead I went out to the mountains of Western Maryland and went to Antietam battlefield. It was much more enjoyable.
Times are tough now. No sense wasting your time on crappy football. By the end of the season maybe the arrow will start pointing up but for noe life is too difficult to waste on crappy football.
I'm just thankful it's not 20 or 30 years ago when I'd be swinging from a rafter somewhere.
I don't think that's really true. I still love the Giants, they are my favorite team far and wide. I still support them but now that I'm getting older (will be 32) I want to do things I enjoy more. I still listened to the game on the radio.
i can say from personal experience that the older i get, the less it is about the players and the games than it is about the moves the front office makes. seeing how a team gets built is as fun as watching a built team play. it also makes following the organization a year-round event, which has its benefits.
just glad i have first-class organization to follow, even if the wins have been hard to come by for the better part of the last decade...
I totally understand that... I think part of it for me was the rise and fall of the last era, the Coughlin, Eli era. That went from frustrating, to elating, to frustrating again before ending... The highest of the highs and lowest of the lows... 15 plus years, that cycle was.... Might be fatigue from that. Knowing that we’re back to 2003 in terms of a franchise right now, just seems daunting.
As Reb said, there are just no players I’m invested in like that yet. Back to square one in every facet.
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I'm tired of wasting my time watching boring football played by bad (some, not all) football players.
Agreed. I went to go play Bethpage Black last sunday. Tired of watching a bad/mediocre football team play when its still nice out on Sunday's.
How did you play? Love that track.
So I've played it about a dozen times this year. Finally broke 80 from the whites and the blues (lowest from the whites is 76 and lowest from the blues is 78)
I shot 82, it was really windy out there. Still fun though.
Good for you. Played it last year from blues and shot 86 which is solid but not my best. Finished one under on last 6 holes which tells how poor the first 12 were!
If you need to step away from time to time, no need to feel guilty or conflicted about it. I always say it's better to focus your energy on something else, rather than continuing to argue and rant over something that makes you unhappy all the time.
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I'm tired of wasting my time watching boring football played by bad (some, not all) football players.
Agreed. I went to go play Bethpage Black last sunday. Tired of watching a bad/mediocre football team play when its still nice out on Sunday's.
How did you play? Love that track.
So I've played it about a dozen times this year. Finally broke 80 from the whites and the blues (lowest from the whites is 76 and lowest from the blues is 78)
I shot 82, it was really windy out there. Still fun though.
Good for you. Played it last year from blues and shot 86 which is solid but not my best. Finished one under on last 6 holes which tells how poor the first 12 were!
Ha! That's still a solid score there. When I shot my 76 I birdied the last two holes. Kick in birdies too.
The losing has been awful. I used to talk to my brother in CT before and after each game, and text all thru it when they were decent. Then we moved to basically just catching up after the game. Then many times one of us would just DVR it and make other plans, and tell the other to not communicate the score.
Now it’s basically...Hey did you hear the news on Saquon?
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I'm tired of wasting my time watching boring football played by bad (some, not all) football players.
Agreed. I went to go play Bethpage Black last sunday. Tired of watching a bad/mediocre football team play when its still nice out on Sunday's.
How did you play? Love that track.
So I've played it about a dozen times this year. Finally broke 80 from the whites and the blues (lowest from the whites is 76 and lowest from the blues is 78)
I shot 82, it was really windy out there. Still fun though.
Good for you. Played it last year from blues and shot 86 which is solid but not my best. Finished one under on last 6 holes which tells how poor the first 12 were!
Ha! That's still a solid score there. When I shot my 76 I birdied the last two holes. Kick in birdies too.
Nice
Still one of the most memorable golfing experiences of my life and so worth it.
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and for the latter, being critical (both positive and negative) of the moves the organization makes is what they enjoy as much as, if not more than, the games themselves (especially these days).
i can say from personal experience that the older i get, the less it is about the players and the games than it is about the moves the front office makes. seeing how a team gets built is as fun as watching a built team play. it also makes following the organization a year-round event, which has its benefits.
just glad i have first-class organization to follow, even if the wins have been hard to come by for the better part of the last decade...
I totally understand that... I think part of it for me was the rise and fall of the last era, the Coughlin, Eli era. That went from frustrating, to elating, to frustrating again before ending... The highest of the highs and lowest of the lows... 15 plus years, that cycle was.... Might be fatigue from that. Knowing that we’re back to 2003 in terms of a franchise right now, just seems daunting.
As Reb said, there are just no players I’m invested in like that yet. Back to square one in every facet.
The frustration that many fans have is not that we're back in 2003, but back in the early 70s. In 2003, this team had won multiple division titles, an NFC championship, and made the playoffs within a couple of years. This current iteration hasn't had any success since essentially (2016 notwithstanding) the first half of 2012. The football and team building has been downright brutal at points.
If it plays out that Jones isn't the answer, there is no telling how long it will take to field a championship team, this could only just be the mid point of being a bad organization.
It’s all about development. Why would anyone advocate tearing things down when the young players don’t even have a full season under their belts. At some point, stability is needed.
Still one of the most memorable golfing experiences of my life and so worth it.
Ha! I used to do the sleep in car thing when my buddies and I were younger. It was awful but always good catching up stories now that we are older.
Hello! You play to win the game.
It’s all about development. Why would anyone advocate tearing things down when the young players don’t even have a full season under their belts. At some point, stability is needed.
I still think they need a bunch of new guys to stabilize this thing, and one crazed dog on Defense to light up everybody’s fire.
You don't pay big money to a LT whose forte is supposed to be pass blocking, you don't spend the #6 pick on a qb because the RB is supposed to be the center of your offense, and you don't run a bunch of smurfs out there at wide receiver and a te who doesn't block. The way in which it was done here did no justice to either the RB or the QB and we have an ad hoc offense with no identity.
It's like we forgot what happened in 2000 and 2005. The qb was the last piece of teams that could run the ball and play defense. See the Titans today. When Tiki retired, we didn't run out and spend the #1 pick on a running back because at that point, the qb was the center of the offense. We went and got fast receivers instead and got bargain rb in the 4th and 6th rounds and the waiver wire.
I think the Giants screwed up in not starting the rebuild the year that the GM got here. Instead, it felt like a reload with the hope that Eil had one more run in him. I really think that was more about the owner than the GM, but at this point it is history.
I now know we have a way to go, but I am sort of enjoying the process of watching a young team develop. Obviously, it would have been much better to see them win versus lose on Sunday. But I feel like they will come on. My bigger disappointment is in seeing a couple of young players (McKinney primarily) get hurt, setting back their development.
I don't think you can judge this team on Ws. It is on progress. If they can take care of the latter, then the former will come. IMHO
I was slightly concerned about Patrick Graham but he has been doing a good job so far. I now understand why Judge brought him here. IMO I think Graham will be a hot HC candidate in a couple of years if he keeps this up.
I was expecting a bit more from Jason Garrett but I think the struggles from the OL has prevented him from utilizing the entire playbook. As the line improves I think the play calling will as well.
Jones needs more help from his supporting staff. Engram needs to pick it up and Tate is crucial to his success now that Shepard is out for a few weeks.