is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
Freeman's best season was 4 years and 600+ carries ago.
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
He would not be the first nor would he be the last player to bounce back after one subpar year.
One subpar year. The year before that, he missed 14 games and barely played.
RB's fall off quickly and he's one head-shot away from career over. He's had three separate Grade 1 concussions .
He sprained his MCL/PCL in 2017. He had a knee contusion in 2018, he hurt his foot last year in November and missed a couple of games.
Guys like this don't just magically find the fountain of youth and there's a reason why he had no team until now.
He'll be better than Peyton Hillis and Michael Cox in 2013, but if Saquon Barkley couldn't find running room behind this line, I'm not seeing it from Freeman.
is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
He doesn't have "top 5 potential" in 2020. Not sure what your measure of "top 5" is or where you're pulling this out of, but his two best seasons again, were 4 and 5 years ago. That is an eternity for an NFL RB. Especially one who has sustained as many injuries and concussions as I have since.
I've seen him play plenty. You're in for a rude awakening - you seem to think we're getting a much better player than we are.
Le'Veon Bell wasn't on a roster for an entire year because he sat out the season and chose not to play.
Look at him now. He sucks and he's hurt. Terrible signing for the Jets. They'd undo it if they could.
not he can find the fountain of youth - it is whether or not his veteran experience can help shore up a position that is undermanned.
CJ Anderson recently showed us this can be done. Frank Gore is still chugging along. Nothing spectacular, but serviceable.
If Freeman allows us to have a moderate running threat with Lewis being a 3rd down back, we can spread the ball around to other targets without completely abandoning the run or not have any type of threat back there to contend with
I don't want to see him go to Philly, even though he was already there for a try-out, Philly is desperate right now....the Giants are just trying to become established under the rule of Judge. I want to see the Giants have good veteran players to work in Judge's program. I like Lewis and Gallman, but they need more.
CJ Anderson got picked up by a Super Bowl team - there was enough talent around him to make it work. They had a line that was actually able to open up holes in the run game.
Frank Gore carried the ball 21 times for 63 yards on Sunday. You can get 63 yards out of a much younger player on 21 totes. Gore sucks and is ancient.
I get it, this is the best we're going to get at this point. I just can't sit here with a straight face and look at posts where people are calling this guy a "top 5 RB" talent in 2020. He's not even in the same stratosphere as the best RB's in football right now.
I suspect we will still struggle mightily to run the football, will continue to lose and it'll be a moot point.
is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
He doesn't have "top 5 potential" in 2020. Not sure what your measure of "top 5" is or where you're pulling this out of, but his two best seasons again, were 4 and 5 years ago. That is an eternity for an NFL RB. Especially one who has sustained as many injuries and concussions as I have since.
I've seen him play plenty. You're in for a rude awakening - you seem to think we're getting a much better player than we are.
Le'Veon Bell wasn't on a roster for an entire year because he sat out the season and chose not to play.
Look at him now. He sucks and he's hurt. Terrible signing for the Jets. They'd undo it if they could.
His tape seems to show that when he played he had same speed/power combo that made him great. That's all I'm saying. He is a gifted back who may still possess those gifts, if he can stay healthy
signing. Have to laugh at our resident experts,he is cooked,hasnt played well in years.The year before he was injured he averaged 4.4 a carry. I guess people think that stinks.
signing. Have to laugh at our resident experts,he is cooked,hasnt played well in years.The year before he was injured he averaged 4.4 a carry. I guess people think that stinks.
A lot of RB's averaged 4.4 yards per carry before an injury and never did it again.
2017 was 3 years ago. LeSean McCoy was a top 5 RB in 2017. Where is he now?
Freeman is 28, 5 full seasons of NFL football to his name. Not sure why we are automatically assuming that he can't help us. We suck. Give the guy a shot. This isn't some veteran RB who has 9 seasons of mileage on him.
1) How much money? A very strange cap year is coming and rolling over money takes on much more importance. Effectively, might it have been better to keep your powder dry and make a move like this next year?
2) What’s the incremental gain from Gallman? Maybe some of the nuances are missing in Gallman’s game (pass pro, film room, attitude) and they need a more reliable presence to keep things from going off the rails
it's about talent. Freeman has shown talent in the past. The rest of these jokers who are FAs and practice squad, pretty much none of them have ever flashed real talent. In this league you take a chance on talent. Those are good chances to take.
Look at Cam Newton. He seemed pretty abysmal for most of the the last two years. Washed up, right? Well Bill took a chance because he has talent that most other QBs don't have. Many thought Bill would get Dalton or something a QB with much inferior talent to Cam Newton.
My point here is that Freeman is a real RB and not just some scrub. He's only 28 and has shown elite talent in this league. Nobody else available does.
Hopefully Freeman can bring something to the table. It sounded like Wayne Gallman was looking good during camp, so I would have Freeman watch for a week (maybe a few touches to knock the rust off), and have Gallman and Dion the primary backs on Sunday. I like Gallman's size and hands, and as I recall, he did show some results in his first year.
I don't think Freeman has as many miles on him as Stewart did when the Giants signed him,. Stewart showed nothing when he was with the Giants and was a waste of $ at that point.
Any good RB's hiding on another teams PS?. Maybe some you had graded pretty high that could be available?
I have an ongoing list of guys on practice squads I would like/go after at each position:
At RB:
JaMycal Hasty - SF
Benny LeMay - FA
Patrick Taylor - FA
I know you're not a coach, but in your opinion, building a team, wouldn't it be better to try to find a guy like that on a PS who can be a viable backup and starter at times then get a vet FA?
As great as Saquon is, DJ will benefit more from playing with vet RBs who can pick up blitzers and know how to slip out of the backfield into the flat to give their QB an easy target when the rush is in his face.
Barkley is an immense talent and his blocking and awareness have gotten better. But I like DJ with vets like Dion and Devonta. Giants are fairly lucky to have a guy like Devonta sitting there.
Any good RB's hiding on another teams PS?. Maybe some you had graded pretty high that could be available?
I have an ongoing list of guys on practice squads I would like/go after at each position:
At RB:
JaMycal Hasty - SF
Benny LeMay - FA
Patrick Taylor - FA
I know you're not a coach, but in your opinion, building a team, wouldn't it be better to try to find a guy like that on a PS who can be a viable backup and starter at times then get a vet FA?
That's the route I wish they would take..
Depends what you're looking for.
NYG needed a tough between the tackles guy that can catch the ball and block. The thing about taking a risk on a kid that hasn't played a down in the NFL starts with blocking. It isn't an easy thing to learn and most young backs really struggle with it.
I think we need to put him in the concussion protocol right away. Does he really think this is a great situation to increase his value?
Something about this cracks me up. Just imagine the twitter post of "Giants sign Freeman. Freeman is now in concussion protocol. LIkely not cleared to walk and chew gum at the same time until December at the earliest"
He thought the Giants shouldn't burn a few million of their $16 million cap space on an older RB that has shown decline and will take time to get up to speed the the Giants' playbook.
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With Gallman and Lewis capable of holding down the fort, the Giants shouldn’t make a short-sighted decision. This situation presents an opportunity to sign a young back with promise rather than a stopgap. Freeman offers no long-term upside, whereas the Giants could potentially find a hidden gem on another team’s practice squad or the street.
Going to find Saquon II on the junk pile, I like the signing he's a badly needed body and a fairly good one at one time. Maybe with some time off he can fill in when he has to to spell Gallman and Lewis a bit.
but, it can’t hurt. Belichick has made a living out of picking up players who were thought to have seen their best years.
You find the thing a guy can do to help you win. If Freeman can pass-protect, get tough yards in short-yardage situations, and carry the ball around 10x a game and average 4+ yards/carry, we're gonna love the guy.
always reminds me of a mini Zeke...not as powerful but runs north/south and looks to contact tackler....has a little jump start and puts head down and runs hard...won't see him looking to get outside unless it's there...will not fumble...not a break away back and knows it....from my favorite 1st 48hrs hometown Florida City... the pork and beans project.
Freeman's best season was 4 years and 600+ carries ago.
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
I don't really understand. I don't get the feeling that anyone thinks this is amazing. I certainly don't expect him to be awesome.
He's a name for sure but what's the other option, Gallman and his 3.7 YPC the last 2 years along with more fumbling?
I was literally responding to someone who said Freeman had "top 5 RB" ability.
That's a wild take. I don't think he's even close.
I'm not mad at signing him, I'm simply pointing out that he's not likely to be very good and that there's a reason why he had no team until now.
He's missed a good amount of games, his conditioning is probably going to be an issue to start and like I've said a few times, he has a serious concussion issue that is probably one ding away from career-over.
Personally, I would have just scoured some practice squads and tried to find a younger guy to pluck from somewhere for cheaper and look for upside. The Giants aren't going anywhere this year, so I don't really see the sense in even bothering with Freeman but it is what it is. He's obviously not going to be here at all beyond this year and it's just a piece of gum to plug another hole in the dam.
the McCoy comparison is absolute bullshit and you know it. McCoy has almost 2500 carries to his name, he's been in the league for like 12 years.
So what?
The point is that he hit a wall pretty suddenly and became a complete afterthought.
Look at Bell. It really was not long ago that Le'Veon Bell was considered the "premier" NFL RB. Now he's slow, ineffective and injured across town and the Jets would probably love to re-do that one and not sign him at all.
I don't think some of you guys realize how quickly a RB can drop off or become a non-factor. It happens fast - especially when they've dealt with several injuries - which Freeman has - he's had plenty of them.
The other obvious issue is our own OL.
If Saquon Barkley couldn't manage any running room at all, good luck to Devonta Freeman. He's not going to fare much better unless the line improves significantly.
I'm hoping Freeman can be sort of like Carlos Hyde in HOU last year
that's certainly not a top RB but after a few disappointing years regressing and missing games, he somehow popped a 4.4 ypc year on 245 carries. With money on the line I'd take the under on both for Freeman here but the upside is far beyond Gallman who is super-jagy.
He and Lewis seemingly compliment each other's skill sets well and both can be used interchangeably in running or passing situations. Both should be helpful for Jones, which is most important metric for every decision that gets made this year.
I think people are missing a bigger picture here when talking about
Freeman and potential rushing yards. Without Saquon, defenses will no longer put 8 in the box. They will likely go back to more of a base d because Lewis/Freeman doesn't scare them, and decide to protect the pass more. This means an easier time blocking for the OL (which is improving) and a harder time passing for Jones.
Its entirely possible that the running attack improves now. I don't think overall offense will be better, but we may have more success on the ground because the defense allows it.
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Giants and RB Devonta Freeman now officially have agreed to a one-year deal worth up to $3 million. “Devonta turned down more money from other teams because he likes the opportunity with the Giants best,” per @RosenhausSports.
I'd imagine there's at least $1m in incentives in there but either way imo a good investment in Jones. In 14 games last year he had 1000 total yards and 6 tds. He also had almost 50 1st downs. All things that help a QB.
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is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
He would not be the first nor would he be the last player to bounce back after one subpar year.
I'm with you! No facts, but can hardly get worse.
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is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
You know he can catch. You know he can run hard inside. You know he doesn't fumble.
Good signing to hopefully give NYG 20-25 snaps per game and maybe 10 carries.
You know he can catch. You know he can run hard inside. You know he doesn't fumble.
Good signing to hopefully give NYG 20-25 snaps per game and maybe 10 carries.
I would say, If he can stay healthy (a big if) he has stud upside.
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He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
He would not be the first nor would he be the last player to bounce back after one subpar year.
One subpar year. The year before that, he missed 14 games and barely played.
RB's fall off quickly and he's one head-shot away from career over. He's had three separate Grade 1 concussions .
He sprained his MCL/PCL in 2017. He had a knee contusion in 2018, he hurt his foot last year in November and missed a couple of games.
Guys like this don't just magically find the fountain of youth and there's a reason why he had no team until now.
He'll be better than Peyton Hillis and Michael Cox in 2013, but if Saquon Barkley couldn't find running room behind this line, I'm not seeing it from Freeman.
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is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
He doesn't have "top 5 potential" in 2020. Not sure what your measure of "top 5" is or where you're pulling this out of, but his two best seasons again, were 4 and 5 years ago. That is an eternity for an NFL RB. Especially one who has sustained as many injuries and concussions as I have since.
I've seen him play plenty. You're in for a rude awakening - you seem to think we're getting a much better player than we are.
Le'Veon Bell wasn't on a roster for an entire year because he sat out the season and chose not to play.
Look at him now. He sucks and he's hurt. Terrible signing for the Jets. They'd undo it if they could.
CJ Anderson recently showed us this can be done. Frank Gore is still chugging along. Nothing spectacular, but serviceable.
If Freeman allows us to have a moderate running threat with Lewis being a 3rd down back, we can spread the ball around to other targets without completely abandoning the run or not have any type of threat back there to contend with
Frank Gore carried the ball 21 times for 63 yards on Sunday. You can get 63 yards out of a much younger player on 21 totes. Gore sucks and is ancient.
I get it, this is the best we're going to get at this point. I just can't sit here with a straight face and look at posts where people are calling this guy a "top 5 RB" talent in 2020. He's not even in the same stratosphere as the best RB's in football right now.
I suspect we will still struggle mightily to run the football, will continue to lose and it'll be a moot point.
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is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
He doesn't have "top 5 potential" in 2020. Not sure what your measure of "top 5" is or where you're pulling this out of, but his two best seasons again, were 4 and 5 years ago. That is an eternity for an NFL RB. Especially one who has sustained as many injuries and concussions as I have since.
I've seen him play plenty. You're in for a rude awakening - you seem to think we're getting a much better player than we are.
Le'Veon Bell wasn't on a roster for an entire year because he sat out the season and chose not to play.
Look at him now. He sucks and he's hurt. Terrible signing for the Jets. They'd undo it if they could.
His tape seems to show that when he played he had same speed/power combo that made him great. That's all I'm saying. He is a gifted back who may still possess those gifts, if he can stay healthy
No RB is going to be a difference maker behind this line unless they get better in a hurry.
A lot of RB's averaged 4.4 yards per carry before an injury and never did it again.
2017 was 3 years ago. LeSean McCoy was a top 5 RB in 2017. Where is he now?
I have an ongoing list of guys on practice squads I would like/go after at each position:
At RB:
JaMycal Hasty - SF
Benny LeMay - FA
Patrick Taylor - FA
1) How much money? A very strange cap year is coming and rolling over money takes on much more importance. Effectively, might it have been better to keep your powder dry and make a move like this next year?
2) What’s the incremental gain from Gallman? Maybe some of the nuances are missing in Gallman’s game (pass pro, film room, attitude) and they need a more reliable presence to keep things from going off the rails
Look at Cam Newton. He seemed pretty abysmal for most of the the last two years. Washed up, right? Well Bill took a chance because he has talent that most other QBs don't have. Many thought Bill would get Dalton or something a QB with much inferior talent to Cam Newton.
My point here is that Freeman is a real RB and not just some scrub. He's only 28 and has shown elite talent in this league. Nobody else available does.
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Any good RB's hiding on another teams PS?. Maybe some you had graded pretty high that could be available?
I have an ongoing list of guys on practice squads I would like/go after at each position:
At RB:
JaMycal Hasty - SF
Benny LeMay - FA
Patrick Taylor - FA
Sy, JaMycal Hasty, any relation to ex-Jet James Hasty?
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
I don't really understand. I don't get the feeling that anyone thinks this is amazing. I certainly don't expect him to be awesome.
He's a name for sure but what's the other option, Gallman and his 3.7 YPC the last 2 years along with more fumbling?
I don't think Freeman has as many miles on him as Stewart did when the Giants signed him,. Stewart showed nothing when he was with the Giants and was a waste of $ at that point.
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Any good RB's hiding on another teams PS?. Maybe some you had graded pretty high that could be available?
I have an ongoing list of guys on practice squads I would like/go after at each position:
At RB:
JaMycal Hasty - SF
Benny LeMay - FA
Patrick Taylor - FA
I know you're not a coach, but in your opinion, building a team, wouldn't it be better to try to find a guy like that on a PS who can be a viable backup and starter at times then get a vet FA?
That's the route I wish they would take..
Barkley is an immense talent and his blocking and awareness have gotten better. But I like DJ with vets like Dion and Devonta. Giants are fairly lucky to have a guy like Devonta sitting there.
Freeman won't be a 1000 yard back or the guy he was in his prime, but his presence would allow us to effectively run our offense without modification.
He'll get the tough yards, he'll catch the ball, he won't hurt the team.
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In comment 14981675 GManinDC said:
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Any good RB's hiding on another teams PS?. Maybe some you had graded pretty high that could be available?
I have an ongoing list of guys on practice squads I would like/go after at each position:
At RB:
JaMycal Hasty - SF
Benny LeMay - FA
Patrick Taylor - FA
I know you're not a coach, but in your opinion, building a team, wouldn't it be better to try to find a guy like that on a PS who can be a viable backup and starter at times then get a vet FA?
That's the route I wish they would take..
Depends what you're looking for.
NYG needed a tough between the tackles guy that can catch the ball and block. The thing about taking a risk on a kid that hasn't played a down in the NFL starts with blocking. It isn't an easy thing to learn and most young backs really struggle with it.
Something about this cracks me up. Just imagine the twitter post of "Giants sign Freeman. Freeman is now in concussion protocol. LIkely not cleared to walk and chew gum at the same time until December at the earliest"
Hopefully Judge has better JUDGEment there (see what I did there?).
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In comment 14981675 GManinDC said:
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Any good RB's hiding on another teams PS?. Maybe some you had graded pretty high that could be available?
I have an ongoing list of guys on practice squads I would like/go after at each position:
At RB:
JaMycal Hasty - SF
Benny LeMay - FA
Patrick Taylor - FA
Sy, JaMycal Hasty, any relation to ex-Jet James Hasty?
Hasty was called up from the practice squad to the active roster in SF today with Mostert and Coleman out.
Wayne Gallman.
His preferred approach:
Duggan: What Saquon Barkley’s torn ACL means for the Giants in the short and long-term - ( New Window )
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Freeman's best season was 4 years and 600+ carries ago.
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
I don't really understand. I don't get the feeling that anyone thinks this is amazing. I certainly don't expect him to be awesome.
He's a name for sure but what's the other option, Gallman and his 3.7 YPC the last 2 years along with more fumbling?
I was literally responding to someone who said Freeman had "top 5 RB" ability.
That's a wild take. I don't think he's even close.
I'm not mad at signing him, I'm simply pointing out that he's not likely to be very good and that there's a reason why he had no team until now.
He's missed a good amount of games, his conditioning is probably going to be an issue to start and like I've said a few times, he has a serious concussion issue that is probably one ding away from career-over.
Personally, I would have just scoured some practice squads and tried to find a younger guy to pluck from somewhere for cheaper and look for upside. The Giants aren't going anywhere this year, so I don't really see the sense in even bothering with Freeman but it is what it is. He's obviously not going to be here at all beyond this year and it's just a piece of gum to plug another hole in the dam.
So what?
The point is that he hit a wall pretty suddenly and became a complete afterthought.
Look at Bell. It really was not long ago that Le'Veon Bell was considered the "premier" NFL RB. Now he's slow, ineffective and injured across town and the Jets would probably love to re-do that one and not sign him at all.
I don't think some of you guys realize how quickly a RB can drop off or become a non-factor. It happens fast - especially when they've dealt with several injuries - which Freeman has - he's had plenty of them.
The other obvious issue is our own OL.
If Saquon Barkley couldn't manage any running room at all, good luck to Devonta Freeman. He's not going to fare much better unless the line improves significantly.
He and Lewis seemingly compliment each other's skill sets well and both can be used interchangeably in running or passing situations. Both should be helpful for Jones, which is most important metric for every decision that gets made this year.
Its entirely possible that the running attack improves now. I don't think overall offense will be better, but we may have more success on the ground because the defense allows it.
@AdamSchefter
Giants and RB Devonta Freeman now officially have agreed to a one-year deal worth up to $3 million. “Devonta turned down more money from other teams because he likes the opportunity with the Giants best,” per @RosenhausSports.
I'd imagine there's at least $1m in incentives in there but either way imo a good investment in Jones. In 14 games last year he had 1000 total yards and 6 tds. He also had almost 50 1st downs. All things that help a QB.