he wants to sign here. I know hes going to get quite a few touches, but this Giants oline will not help his stock going forward when hes getting mauled at the line 80% of his carries
I think he'll be a good/serviceable combo to go with Gallman. I think Lewis still remains in the mix, but I could see the bulk of the touches going to Freeman and Gallman. Freeman most likely the 3rd down back once he picks up the offense and knows the protections.
He’s not Barkley. Very few are. But they could do worse considering they’re pulling guys off the street.
Not a bad complementary option. Lewis is the outside third down back, Gallman is more of the slasher and edge guy, and Freeman can go between the tackles.
is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
If Barkley had not had the great rookie season, he would have been on the bench for the Bears game.
You can say that the o-line was bad, but it was bad in 2018 too. Barkley just hasn’t been helping to make the line or the offense look good. Maybe with Freeman, the scheme changes a bit and the blocking gets better. Certainly pass blocking can’t be much worse.
is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
Freeman's best season was 4 years and 600+ carries ago.
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
He would not be the first nor would he be the last player to bounce back after one subpar year.
One subpar year. The year before that, he missed 14 games and barely played.
RB's fall off quickly and he's one head-shot away from career over. He's had three separate Grade 1 concussions .
He sprained his MCL/PCL in 2017. He had a knee contusion in 2018, he hurt his foot last year in November and missed a couple of games.
Guys like this don't just magically find the fountain of youth and there's a reason why he had no team until now.
He'll be better than Peyton Hillis and Michael Cox in 2013, but if Saquon Barkley couldn't find running room behind this line, I'm not seeing it from Freeman.
is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
He doesn't have "top 5 potential" in 2020. Not sure what your measure of "top 5" is or where you're pulling this out of, but his two best seasons again, were 4 and 5 years ago. That is an eternity for an NFL RB. Especially one who has sustained as many injuries and concussions as I have since.
I've seen him play plenty. You're in for a rude awakening - you seem to think we're getting a much better player than we are.
Le'Veon Bell wasn't on a roster for an entire year because he sat out the season and chose not to play.
Look at him now. He sucks and he's hurt. Terrible signing for the Jets. They'd undo it if they could.
not he can find the fountain of youth - it is whether or not his veteran experience can help shore up a position that is undermanned.
CJ Anderson recently showed us this can be done. Frank Gore is still chugging along. Nothing spectacular, but serviceable.
If Freeman allows us to have a moderate running threat with Lewis being a 3rd down back, we can spread the ball around to other targets without completely abandoning the run or not have any type of threat back there to contend with
I don't want to see him go to Philly, even though he was already there for a try-out, Philly is desperate right now....the Giants are just trying to become established under the rule of Judge. I want to see the Giants have good veteran players to work in Judge's program. I like Lewis and Gallman, but they need more.
CJ Anderson got picked up by a Super Bowl team - there was enough talent around him to make it work. They had a line that was actually able to open up holes in the run game.
Frank Gore carried the ball 21 times for 63 yards on Sunday. You can get 63 yards out of a much younger player on 21 totes. Gore sucks and is ancient.
I get it, this is the best we're going to get at this point. I just can't sit here with a straight face and look at posts where people are calling this guy a "top 5 RB" talent in 2020. He's not even in the same stratosphere as the best RB's in football right now.
I suspect we will still struggle mightily to run the football, will continue to lose and it'll be a moot point.
Freeman is:
*A good, tough pass blocker
*Good between the tackles
*Good from a recognition standpoint (veteran guile)
He does not have Barkley's big play ability or endurance to be a bellcow if needed (limited snaps)
But for what the Giants need right now - Freeman could be a stabilizing force. Just got to get him up to speed on the protections.
Freeman is:
*A good, tough pass blocker
*Good between the tackles
*Good from a recognition standpoint (veteran guile)
He does not have Barkley's big play ability or endurance to be a bellcow if needed (limited snaps)
But for what the Giants need right now - Freeman could be a stabilizing force. Just got to get him up to speed on the protections.
Once he gets the calls down and pass pro he and short yard situations he can make a difference.
Freeman is:
*A good, tough pass blocker
*Good between the tackles
*Good from a recognition standpoint (veteran guile)
He does not have Barkley's big play ability or endurance to be a bellcow if needed (limited snaps)
But for what the Giants need right now - Freeman could be a stabilizing force. Just got to get him up to speed on the protections.
Once he gets the calls down short yard situations and pass pro is where he can make a difference.
You're toast.
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You're toast.
Gottem.
Once he gets the calls down short yard situations and pass pro is where he can make a difference.
Pass pro? Have you seen him in Atlanta? People complain about Barkley.. go read a Falcons board about Freemans pass protection.
Not a bad complementary option. Lewis is the outside third down back, Gallman is more of the slasher and edge guy, and Freeman can go between the tackles.
But his long term pass pro record wasn't bad.
More of a concern to me that the Falcons ate $9M in dead cap to get out of his contract.
Usually not a good indicator.
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You can say that the o-line was bad, but it was bad in 2018 too. Barkley just hasn’t been helping to make the line or the offense look good. Maybe with Freeman, the scheme changes a bit and the blocking gets better. Certainly pass blocking can’t be much worse.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
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is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
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is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
He would not be the first nor would he be the last player to bounce back after one subpar year.
I'm with you! No facts, but can hardly get worse.
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is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
You know he can catch. You know he can run hard inside. You know he doesn't fumble.
Good signing to hopefully give NYG 20-25 snaps per game and maybe 10 carries.
You know he can catch. You know he can run hard inside. You know he doesn't fumble.
Good signing to hopefully give NYG 20-25 snaps per game and maybe 10 carries.
I would say, If he can stay healthy (a big if) he has stud upside.
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Freeman's best season was 4 years and 600+ carries ago.
He missed almost all of 2018 and he sucked in 2019. He was good once, though.. so, excellent signing! A name we recognize!
He would not be the first nor would he be the last player to bounce back after one subpar year.
One subpar year. The year before that, he missed 14 games and barely played.
RB's fall off quickly and he's one head-shot away from career over. He's had three separate Grade 1 concussions .
He sprained his MCL/PCL in 2017. He had a knee contusion in 2018, he hurt his foot last year in November and missed a couple of games.
Guys like this don't just magically find the fountain of youth and there's a reason why he had no team until now.
He'll be better than Peyton Hillis and Michael Cox in 2013, but if Saquon Barkley couldn't find running room behind this line, I'm not seeing it from Freeman.
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is an excellent add. When he plays tape has shown he has not lost much in terms of speed or power from his best form when he was a top-5 back. If this is true, believe it or not, the drop off from Barkley is not that big. It's a big if, I agree, but it is a helluva shot to save the season. Go get him, I say, if the medical staff thinks he is fit.
The drop off is very big. Freeman isn't that good and he's probably one more shot to the head away from the end of his career.
this is a bizarre reply. Of course the injury history is a concern but Freeman has been excellent and a 2-time pro bowler. To say he's not that good is just silly.
He's so good that he wasn't even on an NFL roster going into Week 3.
The only thing "bizarre" here is you thinking a guy making the pro bowl 4 and 5 years ago is some sort of indication of what type of player he is now.
Or you thinking there's not much drop-off between Barkley and Freeman.
Yikes. Talk about a shit take.
We're talking about a guy who was a top-5 back. There aren't any of those hanging around for a team in need. There is nobody on our roster that is even close to him. You want to try and win football games or what? He was a stud, there is nobody avail that approaches his peak. none. Now the problem with him is injuries, which i readily admit, but not an erosion of skills. At his peak the dropoff from Barkley to Freeman is not that great. Maybe you didn't watch him play and want to dig in on it, but you're wrong. Backs with top-5 potential don't grow on trees. It's a risk, i agree, but to say meh, not that good, is just wrong. He's a lottery ticket that could hit big. Why is he not on a roster? Probably like a lot of guys he wants to get paid. Why wasn't Leveon bell on a roster for a whole year?
He doesn't have "top 5 potential" in 2020. Not sure what your measure of "top 5" is or where you're pulling this out of, but his two best seasons again, were 4 and 5 years ago. That is an eternity for an NFL RB. Especially one who has sustained as many injuries and concussions as I have since.
I've seen him play plenty. You're in for a rude awakening - you seem to think we're getting a much better player than we are.
Le'Veon Bell wasn't on a roster for an entire year because he sat out the season and chose not to play.
Look at him now. He sucks and he's hurt. Terrible signing for the Jets. They'd undo it if they could.
CJ Anderson recently showed us this can be done. Frank Gore is still chugging along. Nothing spectacular, but serviceable.
If Freeman allows us to have a moderate running threat with Lewis being a 3rd down back, we can spread the ball around to other targets without completely abandoning the run or not have any type of threat back there to contend with
Frank Gore carried the ball 21 times for 63 yards on Sunday. You can get 63 yards out of a much younger player on 21 totes. Gore sucks and is ancient.
I get it, this is the best we're going to get at this point. I just can't sit here with a straight face and look at posts where people are calling this guy a "top 5 RB" talent in 2020. He's not even in the same stratosphere as the best RB's in football right now.
I suspect we will still struggle mightily to run the football, will continue to lose and it'll be a moot point.