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Mitchell Robinson won't be with the Knicks during their voluntary team workouts in the ‘bubble’ setting due to personal reasons, per league sources. Robinson, who participated in voluntary individual workouts w/NYK last week, does not have COVID-19, league sources say.
Golden State Warriors receive: No. 8, No. 27, Dallas Mavericks 2021 first-round pick, Frank Ntilikina
Losing seasons and franchise instability have turned free agents away from the New York Knicks. Even with a new front office, the team can't feel confident in its ability to just sign the next star.
Instead, the Knicks could make a play for one of the draft's potential stars, and if they can get LaMelo Ball without giving up Mitchell Robinson, RJ Barrett or the Knicks' own 2021 first-round pick, president of basketball operations Leon Rose would presumably sign off.
Aside from Ball's flash and pace that the team has been missing, he'd give the Knicks a special playmaker to build around, regardless of how his scoring skills develop. For a 6'7" point guard, his elite passing will translate.
Ball could reach an exciting level of upside if his body continues to improve, his finishing gets better and his shooting starts to go from streaky to consistent.
As to the Ball trade proposal, if you love Ball and think he's a difference making player, you'd make that trade every time. I'd have no problem with if they could keep either Frank or that extra pick. Kind of steep as is, but if you love Ball that much kind of hard to kill the deal.
On top of it there is no reason to trade Frank at this point in time, he is worth seeing for at least half the season this year. I am expecting a big jump for frank this year.
As to the Ball trade proposal, if you love Ball and think he's a difference making player, you'd make that trade every time. I'd have no problem with if they could keep either Frank or that extra pick. Kind of steep as is, but if you love Ball that much kind of hard to kill the deal.
Mitch won't be there for personal reasons, there is no trade situation.
3 1sts and Frank for Ball seems absurd to me.
Well, 3 picks and Frank might give them more ammo. They have Minnesota's 2021 pick top 3 protected. The 3 Knicks picks, that pick and Frank gives them substantial trade capital before even dipping into their roster.
I'd do that trade.
Other than a patented GMEN46 temper tantrum/rant about how this draft sucks, I think this makes a lot of sense. Knicks then take Okongwu or Weisman at 8 and I think we're really cooking.
Warriors best offer right now is #2 this year, twolves pick and wiggins contract. I’m not as down on wiggins as most, but still a big contract.
Knicks can offer #8 this year, lottery pick next year, #27 this year, dalllas unprotected next year, Frank, d Smith jr and knox. All young guys with talent just haven’t shown it yet and small contracts. Also I am more than willing to include Barrett in a trade for a star like beal. Again we can offer way more than the warriors. Don’t be fooled because they have the 2nd pick in a crappy draft. Everyone loves hyping the Twolves too 3 protected oick, but the reality is the twolves will be better then knicks next year so the Knicks unprotected would be more valuable.
Knicks can offer picks. Cap flexibility for a team and some young assets that still have upside.
Knicks should stay where they are and fish heavy in FA this year.
There are good building blocks available.
NBA need to move FA before the draft like the NFL.
There is a reason the warriors have always wanted to get Frank because they see the bigger picture. You guys are all so quick to give up on 20-22 year old players. Now you all want to max out van fleet who is a nice player. Check out van fleets trajectory, he just started to take off this year. He started slow and he is already 26. He was a lot older than frank when he came into the league. Frank just turned the age that he was when he came into the nba. Whose to say frank can’t have a similar trajectory of improvement if you stay patient. The size and shooting form are there for frank to become a very good nba player. You can’t call him a bust he should be a senior in college.
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New round of 2020 cap space projections. Used the same cap of just over $109M, bc that seems to be where things are headed. All bonuses were updated, as well as draft picks. 6 teams project to have space:
1 ATL- $44M
2 NYK- $42M
3 DET- $32M
4 MIA- $21.9M
5 CHA- $19M
6 PHX-$18.9M
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A few notes:
-CHA dropped quite a bit in cap space when they moved up in the lottery.
-MIA and PHX are swing teams. Both could choose to stay over.
-Lots of variance for NYK. Depends on what they do with guarantees for Bullock, Ellington, Gibson and Payton.
I doubt it, he was there for all the individual stuff
I don't know if that's it, but it's probably coming at some point. I think he's had at least 3-4 agents already.
Paul George has now forced his way off of two teams and is alienating a third. I think it goes under the radar how dramatic he is.
But how does Doc Rivers not catch hell for dropping his third 3-1 lead in the playoffs during his coaching stint
As a coach it seems like Rivers still gets a pass for his one championship with the Celtics 2009
He’s such an overrated coach
But how does Doc Rivers not catch hell for dropping his third 3-1 lead in the playoffs during his coaching stint
As a coach it seems like Rivers still gets a pass for his one championship with the Celtics 2009
He’s such an overrated coach
He is loved by players and other coaches, he will never catch flack in the NBA, one of the most overrated coaches in the NBA
There is a reason the warriors have always wanted to get Frank because they see the bigger picture. You guys are all so quick to give up on 20-22 year old players. Now you all want to max out van fleet who is a nice player. Check out van fleets trajectory, he just started to take off this year. He started slow and he is already 26. He was a lot older than frank when he came into the league. Frank just turned the age that he was when he came into the nba. Whose to say frank can’t have a similar trajectory of improvement if you stay patient. The size and shooting form are there for frank to become a very good nba player. You can’t call him a bust he should be a senior in college.
I've always been "IN" on Frank, but the argument that he "should be a SEnior in College" is ridiculous---He should be a Contributing NBA Player by now...and He's NOT! Whether there's an urgency to move him is another matter, entirely. I'd liek to see him play, and he's been the biggest reason that he's NOT PLaying
there is a school of thought that it's better to allocate cap space to guards and wings as opposed to bigs like Mitch. Not sure I buy into it, but it's not the craziest concept.
If you have to expect the Sixers to do a big shakeup. Can they get CP3? Will they deal Embiid? Will be fascinating to see if the Knicks get involved. My guess would be yes.
76ers aren't giving him up for Frank, RJ and some future picks.
Embiid also does not strike me as the kind of guy who wants to be on a bad team (which the Knicks would be) even if they added him.
You can also take it to the bank that he would be non-stop injured the minute after holding up a Knicks jersey at the introductory press conference.
If I am Leon Rose I don't go anywhere near Embiid.
Fair point about moving our chips for an established star rather than the rookie.
Ingram
Ball
Hart
2 late round first rounders And 4th pick one 2019 that turned into jaxson Hayes and swap rights in some picks
Ingram is certainly a nice player but will not be a superstar
Ingram rookie year stats - 28 minutes per game:
9.4 PPG
2.1 assists
4 rebounds
40.2% FG
29.4% 3 PT
62.1% FT
Barrett - player 30 minutes per game, it’s close enough where I’m not going to adjust:
14.3 PPG
2.5 assists
5.0 rebounds
40.2% FG
32.0% 3PT
61.4% FT
Barret almost identical stats as Ingram in his rookie year, just took more shots per game.
Ball is ok - last year 32 minutes per game and here are his stats:
11.8 PPG
7 assists
6.1 rebounds
1.4 steals
40% FG
37.5% 3PT
56.6% FT - not a good sign although improved from below 50 %
Pretty good defender
Frankie Smokes - plates 20.8 minutes per night, but I will adjust his stats for the 32 minutes that ball played:
10.4 pts
5 assists
3.5 rebounds
1.5 steals
39.3% FG
32.1% 3PT
86.4% FT - this alone proves he can shoot and it will come with time
Frank is a very good defender and plays with incredible effort.
Frank just turned 22 in the summer and lonzo turns 23 in October.
They both play with a very high basketball IQ and their teams play better when they are on the floor. I think frank is the superior defender. My point is Lonzo gets the hype and he is certainly a craftier playmaker but I dont think there is that wide of a gap with these 2 players and I think Frank will tighten that gap over the next few years.
Hart is a good rotation guy. The picks and first round swaps look like they will be non lottery picks assuming Lebron and davis extend.
I get it everyone hates the Knicks management and is disappointed that we did not get superstars with our picks over the past few years but the reality is if beal became available the Knicks can offer a much better deal then the lakers offered for Davis:
Frank, Barrett and Smith jr (upside worth they risk on final year deal).
2020 #8 overall, 2021 unprotected pick that will be a lottery pick in a deep lottery. To me this alone is a better offer for anyhony Davis then what the lakers sent. Barret will also only be on the second year of his contract. If it’s not enough knicks have plenty of late first rounders to throw in just like the lakers did. Clippers 27th oick this year or Dallas 2021 or 2023. Knicks have plenty of ammo to compete with any team outside of OKC to make a deal. The reality is no one in a trade is going to sign an extension with OKC without testing free agency so OKC is not going to trade all of those picks for a short term contract star and they are probably going to rebuild anyway. The pelicans have a lot of picks but they are lakers picks and their own picks which seem like they will not be lottery picks. They aren’t trading zion and ball and Ingram will be in big contracts soon.
Would love to get the 5th and keep the 8th somehow. Draft a PG and someone like Vassel
No the current Knicks and NYC are a terrible situation for him right now. I heard firsthand from a prominent coach that George was really bad in the bubble- a real problem. He’s also on an expiring. Can’t make that trade
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It would appear He’s bat shit crazy. I’m sure his contract is monstrous. If you get him for less than everything do you do it?
No the current Knicks and NYC are a terrible situation for him right now. I heard firsthand from a prominent coach that George was really bad in the bubble- a real problem. He’s also on an expiring. Can’t make that trade
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It would appear He’s bat shit crazy. I’m sure his contract is monstrous. If you get him for less than everything do you do it?
No the current Knicks and NYC are a terrible situation for him right now. I heard firsthand from a prominent coach that George was really bad in the bubble- a real problem. He’s also on an expiring. Can’t make that trade
Yea he sure seems to be a royal pain in the ass. Didn't know he was on an expiring deal..