Giants Can Take the 49ers, Right?

In comment 14983196 JonC said:

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I'd be surprised if SF didn't win both.

I think that D-Line needs to really step up more. They are seemingly the most talented unit on the team (with some depth too) and they haven't show nearly enough consistency. Despite the accolades some give them here for some flashes, they have been pushed around a fair bit too.

I also think that unit got an earful from Judge last week.

Yet they are still a 4.5 point underdog for a reason. What does that tell you about this roster? Currently constructed they don't have one player on offense teams need to specifically scheme for.

I sure hope they do but I am not expecting a win.

In comment 14983205 BlueLou'sBack said:

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in the OP? Well I've heard some of the Pod media analysts throwing this idea around. The 9ers stayed in Virginia somewhere this week rather than return to the Bay area, right? Did LT or anyone else send over some hookers and blow to keep them busy on this east coast hiatus? If not, I'm thinking defeating SF is an uphill challenge demanding a no TO game from the Giants. Whose betting on that?

No sarcasm, scouts honor. Believe me, I'm not blown away by the talent and depth on the Giants. But there's only so much an opponent can absorb injury wise.

I don't know if I've ever seen a comedy of injuries like the 9ers last week. I was half expecting Shanahan to go out with an ACL.

I have to believe the Giants can get it done this week. I don't think that says much about the future, but ya gotta beat backups.

We should know better than to ignore them. That line is talented and healthy.

In comment 14983195 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14983151 Dnew15 said: Quote: is the 2018 version - no Bosa, no Ford, no Mostert, no Sherman, no Jimmy G (out all year), no Deebo Samuel - that 2018 team was 4-12. A worse Giants team beat them 27-23 that year. Giants roll Sunday 27-10 There are still quality players on that very deep D. And Saleh is an upper level DC. We don't have Barkley, Shepherd is out, our OL is shaky, and Jones is still struggling with his decision making. So thinking we will simply "roll" is hard to conclude...

Shanahan's 49ers rushing ranks by years since he became head coach:
2017 - 22nd
2018 - 15th
2019 - 2nd

It took him three years to put the pieces of the machine together to get himself that slam dunk running game like his father had.

There becomes a point where there's too many key cogs in the machine missing and I think this 49ers team is ripe for the pickin.

Maybe I have the blue colored glasses on - and truth be told I don't think the Giants roll - but I think they win the game.

And if there's going to be a ray of hope for this team t his season - they better win this game.

I certainly understand why the game is more winnable with so many 9ers out. But their OL is still intact. Plus, if Kittle is good to go, then he's basically another OL.

And let's be honest, Shanahan, like his dad, has demonstrated that he has a very shrewd eye for spotting under-valued RBs. He really does have a true running system. It's flexible and designed to fit many RB types.

If we do win I would expect it's a result of Mullens making a lot of mistakes. Which could easily occur.

In comment 14983335 bw in dc said:

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I certainly understand why the game is more winnable with so many 9ers out. But their OL is still intact. Plus, if Kittle is good to go, then he's basically another OL. And let's be honest, Shanahan, like his dad, has demonstrated that he has a very shrewd eye for spotting under-valued RBs. He really does have a true running system. It's flexible and designed to fit many RB types. If we do win I would expect it's a result of Mullens making a lot of mistakes. Which could easily occur.

It has my hope that because you see this, the coaches do as well. We should force Mullens to beat us. Fill the box.

49ers have all the excuses in the world for losing this game: injuries, the MetLife turf, back-to-back games in NY ...

I really think this is a Danny Jones measuring stick game. He absolutely can't turn the ball over and has to make plays - this game is on him.

It won't be a blow out either way - the Giants will have to win the game late, which is a hump that they haven't figured out how to get over consistently.

If the Giants are going to right the ship with this new group of players and with this new coaching staff - this is the kind of game they have to start winning.

against a team with half their starters injured...and the Giants are 4 point dogs. Let that sink in.

In comment 14983245 arcarsenal said:

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Even with all of their injuries, I think NYG will need to play a turnover-free game and need SF to make a few mistakes of their own in order to win. It's not an impossible task - it's just unlikely. I still think they're probably the better team even with all of these guys out and even though the Jets are awful, they put a shellacking on them without the majority of these players. So, they don't need to be at full strength to beat us.

Ha. You know what team you're talking about, correct?

The Giants - who always fumble and turn the ball over and hardly ever create turnovers themselves... need to be on the other end of their usual follicle development?

Then when they do... field goal. Sure they got a few this year and maybe I'll be incorrect but they're still the lowest scoring team in the league as well.

How about some points? I'm sick of watching one touchdown and then that's it from the offense for the day in the endzone.

I'm hoping we see a lot more clogging of the run lanes, and less amoeba looks. They will break a few big runs no doubt. But this is a game where Mullens has to beat you. I think this is the first match up all year where the Giants D can really focus on one area.

In comment 14983841 christian said:

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I'm hoping we see a lot more clogging of the run lanes, and less amoeba looks. They will break a few big runs no doubt. But this is a game where Mullens has to beat you. I think this is the first match up all year where the Giants D can really focus on one area.

I thought that would have been the approach last week given Trubisky?

OK this week even moreso.

In comment 14983153 christian said:

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If a team potentially doesn't have their quarterback, leading rusher, leading receiver, and 2 out of their 3 leading pass rushers -- that's a pretty rough statement on the talent of the Giants if that doesn't sway things in their favor.

OK. But we are without our leading rusher and receiver. We also have a work in progress Qb that is on his second system in his 14 or so games played in the NFL.

I know I am just making excuses. But they are facts.

in McKinney

but yea, The niners are without 6-7 starters.

Cry me a fucking river. We are always without 6-7 starters it seems. Ok as of this second it's only 3-4, woopdy damn doo.

In comment 14983207 bw in dc said:

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has proven that the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree with his ability to generate a running game with seemingly anyone off the street. So even with Mostert out, I could Shanahan figuring out a way to stitch together a quality running scheme with McKinnon and Wilson.

He's generating running game thanks to one of the best OLs in football. Good running games never happen by accident.

In comment 14983853 BlueLou'sBack said:

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In comment 14983841 christian said: Quote: I'm hoping we see a lot more clogging of the run lanes, and less amoeba looks. They will break a few big runs no doubt. But this is a game where Mullens has to beat you. I think this is the first match up all year where the Giants D can really focus on one area. I thought that would have been the approach last week given Trubisky? OK this week even moreso.

I think the Giants didn’t sell out enough on stopping the run against the Bears. And still they only gave up 17 points.

If I’m Graham, I’m throwing my strength at their strength. Tomlinson, Williams, and Lawrence are the strength.

Woof. Did I get that wrong.

Christian.

Instead of complaining about the Giants, I’ll instead say that I was really impressed by the play of the 49ers two first rounders. I didn’t even know who Aiyuk was. His very limited college career made him a very risky pick, but I thought his potential was obvious. Lynch knows what he’s doing.

owned the game. Also, SF collective football IQ was prominent from Shanahan right on down.

Rereading the thread, I read your post and thought “of course, Jon was the one who was absolutely dead on.” Surprise, surprise :)

In comment 14987114 LBH15 said:

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Christian.

My favorite observation: make Mullens beat you. And sure enough, yup.

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