It’s clear as day the most complete tight end on this roster is smith. He even lined up at fullback on a few plays and did a nice job. In a way he gives us more flexibility then Engram. I rewatched the game and he really stood out to me. His blocking is excellent both run and pass. He’s a good enough athlete out there to make plays and we saw that last season. I’m not sure why engram continues to be there inline and just totally blowing run blocking assignments. When judge came here he said you earn your job nobody is given anything. Well, it’s clear as day, engram has 9 lives. We’ll be a better football team when Kaden smith is on the field more and engram is on the field less. As many have said he isn’t quick enough to play WR full time but they need to find a different role for this guy. For heaven’s sake please get him off the los because he cannot block an nfl defensive end or linebacker.
We’re all frustrated with Evan Engram; but given the available personnel, our offense is likely better, in most down/distance scenarios, with him on the field.
If you are really just suggesting Smith is excellent when compared to Engram's sad blocking, fine. But then I would suggest Engram adds considerably more with ability to move the chains in the passing game and this team needs more scores too.
BBB - Has he looked bad, or are you suggesting an overpay problem?
Yes. ☹️
He was bad enough in Week One to play only a handful of snaps against Chicago, strictly as the third TE. So the Giants are paying him ~$200K/week to back up Engram and Smith. That’s bad.
They also aren’t developing any young talent at the position. The Giants are among the handful (five?) of teams with no TE on the practice squad. Several teams have two. The Ravens have three, including ex-Giant Jerell Adams.
We should have drafted TJ Watt or Ramczyk like many on here were saying pre draft
He had 5 catches for a grand total of 17 yards, as the Giants scored 14 points and lost.
This past Sunday, Smith played 48% of offensive snaps; he produced two catches for a total of negative one yard.
This past Sunday, Engram had six catches in the second half for 65 yards and was, other than Jones, the biggest single reason the offense gave the Giants at least a chance to win the game.
Carry on.
Play him, don't play him, I don't care. My point was that he's a below average TE, just like Engram, so it doesn't really matter.
Greg is right. Smith is pretty meh. He averaged less than 9 yards a catch last season and he isn't much of a blocker. Go ahead and start him but this is not exactly a dynamic player.
Us being in agreement is always going to feel slightly surreal.
The problem is, this team is flush with slot WRs.
I missed it. What did JJ say about EE?
I don't think Engram is twitchy enough to be a WR. WTF do I know, but he doesn't move like a WR to me. He moves like a move TE. Problem is he blocks like a tissue paper.
Ha ha, great for the fantasy players!
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We're short there, anyways. His blocking might be a plus at WR when he's going against DBs.
I don't think Engram is twitchy enough to be a WR. WTF do I know, but he doesn't move like a WR to me. He moves like a move TE. Problem is he blocks like a tissue paper.
spot on. He doesnt have that quick twitch and change of direction ability to beat corners. He moves like a tight end unfortunately he just doesnt have the power to block consistently in the run game so then does he become a situational tight end? Thats probably his best role. Regarding Smiths speed hes absolutely quick enough and showed that last season. He makes plays when called upon and gets open. Nobody is asking him to be travis kelce or Darren waller. IMO the offense would open up a lot if he was the starting tight end. Creates different looks that you cant do with EE and you have a tight end whos a plus blocker. A novel idea to us giants fans.
He had 5 catches for a grand total of 17 yards, as the Giants scored 14 points and lost.
This past Sunday, Smith played 48% of offensive snaps; he produced two catches for a total of negative one yard.
This past Sunday, Engram had six catches in the second half for 65 yards and was, other than Jones, the biggest single reason the offense gave the Giants at least a chance to win the game.
Carry on.
this take is stupid i just want to show people what fantasy football can do to ones mind....yea its smiths fault he caught screen pass and got hit behind the line. Stats!!!!!!!
Smith
pass block-71.2 2 plays
run block-86.1 13 plays
Engram
pass block-18.2 14 plays
run block-32.9 4 plays
week 2
Smith
pass block-73.9 4 plays
run block-69.3 10 plays
Engram
pass block-75.1 5 plays
run block-55.9 14 plays
Smith
pass block-71.2 2 plays
run block-86.1 13 plays
Engram
pass block-18.2 14 plays
run block-32.9 4 plays
week 2
Smith
pass block-73.9 4 plays
run block-69.3 10 plays
Engram
pass block-75.1 5 plays
run block-55.9 14 plays
Thank you for posting the Week 2 blocking stats, where Engram was far more respectable than people would expect or give him credit for.
As I mentioned, Smith played the entire game vs the Bears last November. A positive impact on the running game was not apparent: Barkley was 17 for 59; Gallman 1 for 1.
Smith may have a role on the team but he hasn't shown his receiving ability makes him an all-around TE and a replacement for Engram.
Especially with Shepard out, Engram has to be on the field.
On the other hand, he continues to hurt the team at TE, I'll agree.
https://www.giants.com/video/evan-engram-s-best-plays-from-week-3-vs-bucs
If the team needs consistent TE play, Smith is our man.
Right now, if we could find a high quality center to trade for, I'd move Engram.
yea, they aren't for 15 yards down the field, but he catches them.
He had 5 catches for a grand total of 17 yards, as the Giants scored 14 points and lost.
This past Sunday, Smith played 48% of offensive snaps; he produced two catches for a total of negative one yard.
This past Sunday, Engram had six catches in the second half for 65 yards and was, other than Jones, the biggest single reason the offense gave the Giants at least a chance to win the game.
Carry on.
To be fair, I don't think he ever fit into the past 2 regimes plan so they are forcing him into a role that he is not fit for instead of using him to his skillset.
Right now he is the only guy on this offense who creates any type of a matchup problem for the defense
Exactly, but I'd play him in the slot. As a big slot receiver, he'd be a beast.
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We're short there, anyways. His blocking might be a plus at WR when he's going against DBs.
Exactly, but I'd play him in the slot. As a big slot receiver, he'd be a beast.