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| Which teams are among the top five most analytically advanced? 1. Baltimore Ravens (23) 2. Cleveland Browns (20) 3. Philadelphia Eagles (18) T4. Buffalo Bills (7) T4. San Francisco 49ers (7) T6. Minnesota Vikings (6) T6. Seattle Seahawks (6) T8. Indianapolis Colts (5) T8. Los Angeles Rams (5) T8. New England Patriots (5) T11. Dallas Cowboys (4) T11. Miami Dolphins (4) T11. New York Giants (4) |
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| Which team is the least analytically advanced? 1. Washington Football Team (6) 2. Tennessee Titans (5) T3. Cincinnati Bengals (3) T3. New York Giants (3) |
The constant GM bashing is a dead thread. The constant blaming of Reese when there is so much evidence that points to a committee decision in drafting and and owner is more involved than most thought.
I hope that Judge breaks the mold. My instincts say no. Imo, this year shouldn't even count.
The constant GM bashing is a dead thread. The constant blaming of Reese when there is so much evidence that points to a committee decision in drafting and and owner is more involved than most thought.
I hope that Judge breaks the mold. My instincts say no. Imo, this year shouldn't even count.
The Giants have had 3 years in a row that "don't count".
No more moral victories. It's time to start winning games. The last two MVPs have been second year quarterbacks. We have a second year quarterback We've picked top 6 three years in a row. We've had five first round picks in three years. We picked a player who supposedly was the best prospect since Peyton Manning. We've twice enjoyed off-seasons with immense cap space.
It's ok to start expecting victories. Enough is enough.
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at someone’s educational or career background on a football fan site. If that’s what happened.
That would really require a “Lord”.
No, sorry..You don’t go to a mod, unless someone’s used your real full name on the site when there’s a disagreement
Just curious BB56. How about if somebody physically threatens you, but gets your identity wrong?
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at someone’s educational or career background on a football fan site. If that’s what happened.
That would really require a “Lord”.
No, sorry..You don’t go to a mod, unless someone’s used your real full name on the site when there’s a disagreement
Just curious BB56. How about if somebody physically threatens you, but gets your identity wrong?
To be clear, it's a hypothetical, I am not saying that Fats did such a thing. Just curious where the line is drawn on this unwritten rule.
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at someone’s educational or career background on a football fan site. If that’s what happened.
That would really require a “Lord”.
No, sorry..You don’t go to a mod, unless someone’s used your real full name on the site when there’s a disagreement
Just curious BB56. How about if somebody physically threatens you, but gets your identity wrong?
Understood. Aren’t we talking apples and oranges here? A physical threat should be reported whether they know who we are or not. Name calling and heated arguments have gone on since I joined nearly 20 years ago. I wouldn’t report that ever. I’d simply expunge that poster from my BBI life and not interact with them again if the problem became an incessant one.
I have done that with some posters and haven’t conversed with them, nor will I again. But again, unless I feared for my safety, I would NEVER, EVER report someone for being obnoxious. If it got to me, I would no longer interact with them as I indicated above.
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In comment 14984506 LBH15 said:
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at someone’s educational or career background on a football fan site. If that’s what happened.
That would really require a “Lord”.
No, sorry..You don’t go to a mod, unless someone’s used your real full name on the site when there’s a disagreement
Just curious BB56. How about if somebody physically threatens you, but gets your identity wrong?
Understood. Aren’t we talking apples and oranges here? A physical threat should be reported whether they know who we are or not. Name calling and heated arguments have gone on since I joined nearly 20 years ago. I wouldn’t report that ever. I’d simply expunge that poster from my BBI life and not interact with them again if the problem became an incessant one.
I have done that with some posters and haven’t conversed with them, nor will I again. But again, unless I feared for my safety, I would NEVER, EVER report someone for being obnoxious. If it got to me, I would no longer interact with them as I indicated above.
Fair enough...
You did say that ONLY if they use your real identity.
This case isn't really hypothetical. I did report such a case. And yes, we have both avoided each other.
He lied on this thread about not being asked for us to steer clear of each other.
I have the proof of this lie on this thread if you email me at bbimock@yahoo.com I'd be happy to share said proof with you, provided you agreed to keep it to yourself. I'm not going to post it publicly out of the respect for the confidentiality of the email exchange I had.
Nevertheless, keep posting as you want.
If you are Googs you have become WAY more balanced in your assessments and are way more positive about the team. I feel like Googs was like 3/4 of the way to arniefez, who I agree with sometimes BTW but is probably the most down on the team of anyone here now.
You I wouldn't even put in like the top 10 most down on the team people on the site. So again if you are Googs you've made a concerted effort to change, don't get the obsession but I don't get any of how he behaves really.
I guess just at the sacrifice of each ofher.
Bw, you bring a fresh perspective. I like your posts. Not always in agreement but understand the point of view.
Hope u stick around.
+1
But NGD is correct, that LBH is more positive about the team than Googs was.
I have actually been posting here since the mid 90s before we had a login system. I always went by just "McL". I have had long hiatuses from posting, and people seem to have forgotten me during those. I guess there was a hack at some point, and I lost the McL account, so I just added the 2 dots. But when I came back after in 2018 after about 4 years of not posting, man, people were truly vitriolic thinking I was somebody who seems to have been reviled to the nth degree. I must have missed those threads while I was lurking.
This obsession here of assuming a poster you don't recognize is some evil dupe from the past is just silly. TO the point Bill2 made about the fact that there was a hard boiled crew in the old days, I agree, I remember. Many are gone, some still post but much less now and they're much tamer now when they do (usually, LOL). But in the 90s when you had to type your handle with every post, there was a much greater need for the site to be self policing. It was way too easy for people to hide behind made up handles when they wanted to post something they knew would inflame. There were huge wars about such things at the time. We don't have any such issues with fake handles that are even within 2 orders of magnitude of how bad it was back then. There really isn't the need to keep that old mentality. But some things just die hard I guess.
I've seen so many of those threads over the years, it's not a rare thought for people newer to the board.
Gettleman is a waste of time. He adds as much value as a FMiC post on a Monday morning...nothing
Good night.
Now this is hilarious. Googs being Googs. The fact he keeps denying it makes it even funnier.
I guess just at the sacrifice of each ofher.
LBH15 is 100000% Jimmy Googs. Obvious.
Gettleman is a waste of time. He adds as much value as a FMiC post on a Monday morning...nothing
LOL
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The moronic things that go on with posters on this site is sad. Can’t believe we all want the best for the Giants, but seemingly we do.
I guess just at the sacrifice of each ofher.
LBH15 is 100000% Jimmy Googs. Obvious.
Not for nothing, but this guy is about as clear as dupe as there is. Never a football thought ever.
If it matters to some of the sadder folks on board. You know who u are.
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The moronic things that go on with posters on this site is sad. Can’t believe we all want the best for the Giants, but seemingly we do.
I guess just at the sacrifice of each ofher.
LBH15 is 100000% Jimmy Googs. Obvious.
Not for nothing, but this guy is about as clear as dupe as there is. Never a football thought ever.
If it matters to some of the sadder folks on board. You know who u are.
Just admit it LBH15, and I’ll go back to lurking 100%. You are Jimmy Googs. It’s ok, the truth shall set you free.
I see similarities. The less is more approach, sarcasm, arch enemy is FMiC, etc.
I'm just waiting to see if LBH slips and reveals he's a Georgia fan... ;)
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In comment 14984879 LBH15 said:
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The moronic things that go on with posters on this site is sad. Can’t believe we all want the best for the Giants, but seemingly we do.
I guess just at the sacrifice of each ofher.
LBH15 is 100000% Jimmy Googs. Obvious.
Not for nothing, but this guy is about as clear as dupe as there is. Never a football thought ever.
If it matters to some of the sadder folks on board. You know who u are.
Just admit it LBH15, and I’ll go back to lurking 100%. You are Jimmy Googs. It’s ok, the truth shall set you free.
This Googs guy is like a cult. And you are like a kook.
But also a crickety dupe.
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but LBH seems different to me for sure. Enjoy both of their contributions
I see similarities. The less is more approach, sarcasm, arch enemy is FMiC, etc.
I'm just waiting to see if LBH slips and reveals he's a Georgia fan... ;)
I do like Georgia. Anybody but Alabama!
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but LBH seems different to me for sure. Enjoy both of their contributions
I see similarities. The less is more approach, sarcasm, arch enemy is FMiC, etc.
I'm just waiting to see if LBH slips and reveals he's a Georgia fan... ;)
I do like Georgia. Anybody but Alabama!
A Georgia fan?! Shocking coincidence!
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but LBH seems different to me for sure. Enjoy both of their contributions
I see similarities. The less is more approach, sarcasm, arch enemy is FMiC, etc.
I'm just waiting to see if LBH slips and reveals he's a Georgia fan... ;)
He has admitted to being a Georgia fan. He’s also slipped up and admitted he lives in the Atlanta area. Just like Googs...
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In comment 14984891 NoGainDayne said:
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but LBH seems different to me for sure. Enjoy both of their contributions
I see similarities. The less is more approach, sarcasm, arch enemy is FMiC, etc.
I'm just waiting to see if LBH slips and reveals he's a Georgia fan... ;)
He has admitted to being a Georgia fan. He’s also slipped up and admitted he lives in the Atlanta area. Just like Googs...
I think he said he lives somewhere in Florida actually.
He lied on this thread about not being asked for us to steer clear of each other.
I have the proof of this lie on this thread if you email me at bbimock@yahoo.com I'd be happy to share said proof with you, provided you agreed to keep it to yourself. I'm not going to post it publicly out of the respect for the confidentiality of the email exchange I had.
Do you have the email exchange of the mods and I?? I was never told to steer clear of you. Do you want me to post the actual email here??
Let's get something clear here. You emailed the mods with your resume and even threatened slander! Slander of an unknown handle!!! Due to that threat - one that wasn't taken seriously, I was asked not to challenge your credentials. Nothing was said about not challenge shitty takes
At least be transparent here if you are going to keep going on the folly that I was lying. I wasn't going to bring up that you went to the mods - but then you put it out there on this thread.
Just like on football takes, there isn't much "realism" to your posts.
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You’re following the comments of the wrong guys on here I presume.
Now this is hilarious. Googs being Googs. The fact he keeps denying it makes it even funnier.
It's the long troll. Or as I like to put it - cuntery. And while he tells others how to act here - it is all coming from a previously banned schmuck who had to create another handle to continue his trolling. Even sadder, you know the guy loves it.
Why are people that work in analytics so damn insufferably arrogant? It’s almost universal. Haha, poor Eric. Like he has nothing better to do than sifting through some random posters resume for absolutely no reason. Maybe he’s hiring?
Why are people that work in analytics so damn insufferably arrogant? It’s almost universal. Haha, poor Eric. Like he has nothing better to do than sifting through some random posters resume for absolutely no reason. Maybe he’s hiring?
Agree with the aspect of analytical driven people being extremely arrogant. It seems as if they can never admit their views are wrong. I see it a lot with analysts when discussing the Browns.
Analyzing data helps understand patterns and likelihoods in some systems. And then can be one of the tools used to make decisions in the future. It’s really a quite simple field.
Analyzing data helps understand patterns and likelihoods in some systems. And then can be one of the tools used to make decisions in the future. It’s really a quite simple field.
I agree. For whatever reason it tends to be polarizing on both sides though.
I posted this above, but I give this advice professionally pretty often. All decisions are made on data. The more reasonable data the better, and then it takes discipline and trial and error to figure out which sets are useful.
Then use that data as part of, not the only factor, in the decision making process. And if you’re results are imperfect, but significantly better go get a round of beers.
Why are people that work in analytics so damn insufferably arrogant? It’s almost universal. Haha, poor Eric. Like he has nothing better to do than sifting through some random posters resume for absolutely no reason. Maybe he’s hiring?
BBS - there's even a bigger irony (or hypocrisy) here. Think about this - NGD complained to the mods demanding that his professional credentials aren't challenged.
Meanwhile, what did the guy do over several threads and dozens of posts? Declare that Tyseer Siam is unfit to lead an analytics department because of information he culled from LinkedIn. And since he actually used Siam's name, that definitely passes a higher bar of slander than if somebody is referring to a chucklehead handle of NGD.
Sean. And I dont understand how arrogance helps produce better analysis or consideration of options. My observation over a lot of observations in a lot of industries is that the trait badly limits the number of "good" data scientists and limits the degree of implementation and limits their progress to fully contributing business players.
Christian. I especially liked your last post.
Over emphasis on trying methods and under emphasis on practical application.
Imho its a 90% value on 10% of the possibilities at any one time.
Teaching an organization to be more fact based in their decisions takes years of a patient change agent
I posted this above, but I give this advice professionally pretty often. All decisions are made on data. The more reasonable data the better, and then it takes discipline and trial and error to figure out which sets are useful.
Then use that data as part of, not the only factor, in the decision making process. And if you’re results are imperfect, but significantly better go get a round of beers.
In my experience, understanding what you just posted is what separates successful companies from those that either fail or stagnate at the different stages of the lifecycle of a business.
Everyone uses data. The key is figuring out what is good data, but more importantly, putting processes in place to analyze and separate out the useful information.
Its a slow building organizational competency because you need suction (questions)and engagement from mid level executors and decision makers (need to make them fans of your work).
Lastly, regarding Siam. His background work actually ( projects deployed in a different but very analytical intense industry) the kinds of analytics that should be most valuable to football FO and coaches and players.
Why is anyone attacking him? The responsibility for a sound analytics program is leaders asking the right questions
I posted this above, but I give this advice professionally pretty often. All decisions are made on data. The more reasonable data the better, and then it takes discipline and trial and error to figure out which sets are useful.
Then use that data as part of, not the only factor, in the decision making process. And if you’re results are imperfect, but significantly better go get a round of beers.
This is a great post.
Record, index, tag, everything from every dimension. It’s cheap and progressively easier every year.
Every analysis begins with what did happened. Then why. Then was it a success. Then how to repeat or not repeat it.
I’m particularly interested in telemetry and motion capture for the NFL. So many of the outcomes in the NFL are the product of micro actions and interactions. Getting ahead of that is going to be an advantage in my view over the next few years.
I posted this above, but I give this advice professionally pretty often. All decisions are made on data. The more reasonable data the better, and then it takes discipline and trial and error to figure out which sets are useful.
Then use that data as part of, not the only factor, in the decision making process. And if you’re results are imperfect, but significantly better go get a round of beers.
Interesting thoughts.
I'm in the healthcare space and the use of data analytics is a huge piece of my decision making on the risk management side. We aim to get to the point where the data tells the story (science) and we minimize the art of side of it where we have to apply judgment. But it's a little different in that the Health Econ/Data Analtyics teams are not married to the data and don't die on the hill defending it. They are disciplined to know that the data is only as good as the quality we receive and if we can transform it to our needed specs.
Around 30-40% of the time, however, the data isn't clean - compared to benchmark data that we use to test the validity - and we have to still figure out a way to use it because winning (or retaining) the business is at stake. So we do credibility weighing where we may give the data 25% credibility and apply the other 75% to manual modeling and blend a result from there.
There is a company buy in to our approach - credit to leadership there - and we rarely have any issues with how we prepared our analysis. Getting that buy in to process is a huge hurdle for a company's decision making...
Going to the Mods though? Childish and weak.
Sometimes a child just need to go to the principles office when they refuse to act like anything more than a complete jerk.
Sometimes a child just need to go to the principles office when they refuse to act like anything more than a complete jerk.
Weak.