people were so quick to run him out of town. And he probably needed to go, but the guy built a Super Bowl team. If you don’t want to give him credit for 2007, fine (although that draft was brilliant), but he has his hands all over 2011.
I hope Reese gets his due at some point and gets into the Giants Ring of Honor, because he deserves it.
people were so quick to run him out of town. And he probably needed to go, but the guy built a Super Bowl team. If you don’t want to give him credit for 2007, fine (although that draft was brilliant), but he has his hands all over 2011.
I hope Reese gets his due at some point and gets into the Giants Ring of Honor, because he deserves it.
were total disasters at drafting, and held onto the garbage they drafted far too long.
He deserves every piece of sxxt tossed his way. Both for the players selected and those kept on the roster far too long like hapless James Brewers and a host of other guys too afraid to play football.
And I’d downloaded those playoff games to watch on the plane. I think my favorite was the SF game. It was still so intense—even though I knew how it’d turn out. What exciting games those were. We are lucky fans.
Oh, and as an aside, listening to Troy Aikman drool over the Romo during that 2008 playoff was just—well, I was embarrassed for him. “The Giants have no chance.” He must’ve said it 15 times.
The play before was pretty amazing in its own right...
Bradshaw had like a 35 yard run for a first down. I think he gained 7 yards. Maybe less! He ran horizontally across the field avoiding traffic to get the first down. I was thrilled with that play alone.
When Eli and Nicks hooked up the next play on the Hail Mary, I knew we were winning the super bowl. That set of downs magnified by the luck involved told me we had the mojo.
I liked the heads up play for Bradshaw to rip a big run and still get out of bounds, followed by that aggressive call. GB was not expecting a Hail Mary and didn't defend it well, but it was easily the best executed Hail Mary I've ever watched. Every single player on the Giants did exactly what they were supposed to. It was a thing of beauty. The refs could try to steal that win, but the Giants were having none of it.
Both for the players selected and those kept on the roster far too long like hapless James Brewers and a host of other guys too afraid to play football.
Good ffin riddance!
I remember long ago something weird happening on this very board.
Someone else and I got into a squabble over, how, not only was Brewer a decent player who needed some work, buuuuut it was the coaching staff's fault he sucked and didn't amount to anything in the NFL. That goes for his time after with the Giants as well.
Fun as well watching a team with a 9-7 record get screwed over by the officiating in various ways win by three posessions, on the road, in the playoffs, against a 15-1 team whose QB was the league's MVP.
No bullshit. No excuses. That's for losers. Just ram it down their throats again and again. That's what she said.
37-20. The two touchdowns the Packers scored in the game were both on drives that ended so well for them only thanks to the lengthening of said drives BECAUSE the refs did so with their obviously biased calls.
was simply a monster. His production in that 2011 playoff run was I think a record at the time. He and Eli were an extremely strong combination when they reached the top of their games.
Lots of great Nicks moments. One that I always liked was earlier in that 2011 season where Eli got into a shootout with Rodgers. The Giants lost on a last minute FG, but there were a couple of touchdowns that Nicks caught over Charles Woodson that were super impressive to feed the comeback. What I always remember was Woodson "tipping his hat" to Nicks after those catches, basically saying nice job...you beat me.
that the teams that won the super bowls were mostly built by Ernie. Reese did ok with a few free agents, and he had knack for hitting on First Rounders, but he never addressed the Oline correctly, and as soon as those Accorsi guys retired or left, the team nose dived.
that the teams that won the super bowls were mostly built by Ernie. Reese did ok with a few free agents, and he had knack for hitting on First Rounders, but he never addressed the Oline correctly, and as soon as those Accorsi guys retired or left, the team nose dived.
I disagree. Accorsi built the foundation (although he was bashed too by BBI), but Reese has his hand prints on both SB titles. Especially 2011 with Nicks-Cruz-Manningham. JPP was huge in that run. Smart, complimentary FA signings.
that the teams that won the super bowls were mostly built by Ernie. Reese did ok with a few free agents, and he had knack for hitting on First Rounders, but he never addressed the Oline correctly, and as soon as those Accorsi guys retired or left, the team nose dived.
Go back and look at the 2011 roster again. Almost the whole defense came under Reese's watch. And the WR's.
How about getting the facts straight..
RE: The sad thing is the disrespect Jerry Reese gets here..
people were so quick to run him out of town. And he probably needed to go, but the guy built a Super Bowl team. If you don’t want to give him credit for 2007, fine (although that draft was brilliant), but he has his hands all over 2011.
I hope Reese gets his due at some point and gets into the Giants Ring of Honor, because he deserves it.
Are you serious with this? Reese gets tons of credit for the two super bowl teams. However, what he did after 2011 and wasted the 2nd half of Eli's career was criminal. It begs the question if the two super bowls were really won on the strength of Accorsi's picks.
Deja vu, except on the wrong side. We were trailing 7-6 in the 2016 playoff game when Rodgers hit on a last second hail Mary TD pass just before halftime, turning a 7-6 deficit to a 14-6 deficit. Just as we knew we'd win that game in 2011 at that moment, I knew that play 5 years later would seal our fate in that game.
that the teams that won the super bowls were mostly built by Ernie. Reese did ok with a few free agents, and he had knack for hitting on First Rounders, but he never addressed the Oline correctly, and as soon as those Accorsi guys retired or left, the team nose dived.
Go back and look at the 2011 roster again. Almost the whole defense came under Reese's watch. And the WR's.
How about getting the facts straight..
Uh, not quite. The heart of the defense were all Accorsi picks: Tuck, Osi, Webster, Kiwanuka, Ross.
was being a real prick because I had taken off the prior two weeks to go to the games. It was golf retail...in January. Couldn't have been more slower if you tried.
Anyways, the store closed at 5 on Sunday's in the winter and the game started at 4:15, so I put it on at 4:15.
Me and friend go take a cab to meet friends at Bounce uptown and the place is packed. We couldn't get in. I told my friend/coworker "listen, you can go whereever, but I can see the TV from outside and I will just stand here."
I had this ridiclious Giants rastafarian hat on and my friends inside the bar saw the fake hair go down and THEN up when Nicks caught this ball.
Also, the Packers should have scored only one TD that day. Because that wasn't a fumble and it sure as shit wasn't roughing the passer on Rodgers either.
and some bad things, but I can't think of too many incoming GMs that inherited a better situation than he did. Franchise QB in place. Offensive line in place. Winning coach in place.
Obviously he had input into bringing in some of that talent...but the point is that most new GMs get lousy teams and have to build from the ground up. For Reese, all the heavy lifting was done prior to him getting the job.
Deja vu, except on the wrong side. We were trailing 7-6 in the 2016 playoff game when Rodgers hit on a last second hail Mary TD pass just before halftime, turning a 7-6 deficit to a 14-6 deficit. Just as we knew we'd win that game in 2011 at that moment, I knew that play 5 years later would seal our fate in that game.
That's right. Giants definitely made a deal with the devil in 2011. This is payback time.
Deja vu, except on the wrong side. We were trailing 7-6 in the 2016 playoff game when Rodgers hit on a last second hail Mary TD pass just before halftime, turning a 7-6 deficit to a 14-6 deficit. Just as we knew we'd win that game in 2011 at that moment, I knew that play 5 years later would seal our fate in that game.
Yeah, but then the Falcons blew the doors off the Packers in the NFC Championship game so not quite the same.
Reese was the co-pilot running those 2004-2006 drafts with Accorsi. He did a very good job at the director level, and a very good job as GM for several years.
The 2007, 8, 9 and 10 drafts were very solid and kept the talent level high.
Eventually doing a bad job at GM, and formerly doing a good were not mutually exclusive.
Reese was the co-pilot running those 2004-2006 drafts with Accorsi. He did a very good job at the director level, and a very good job as GM for several years.
The 2007, 8, 9 and 10 drafts were very solid and kept the talent level high.
Eventually doing a bad job at GM, and formerly doing a good were not mutually exclusive.
With the benefit of hindsight, I wonder if firing Reese was a mistake. We know the Giants prefer longevity at GM with familiarity in the Giants structure as a family run business. It’s very possible we are looking at Abrams as GM next year anyway.
I wonder if firing Ross and changing up the scouting dept would have made more sense given Reese’s age at the time. 12-38 since.
ive never seen one where the second the wr came onto the screen you knew he was going to catch it. It was crazy
Rodgers had a similar one a few years back to beat the lions where he hit richard rogers and it was just so obvious he was going to catch it right away
Reese was the co-pilot running those 2004-2006 drafts with Accorsi. He did a very good job at the director level, and a very good job as GM for several years.
The 2007, 8, 9 and 10 drafts were very solid and kept the talent level high.
Eventually doing a bad job at GM, and formerly doing a good were not mutually exclusive.
With the benefit of hindsight, I wonder if firing Reese was a mistake. We know the Giants prefer longevity at GM with familiarity in the Giants structure as a family run business. It’s very possible we are looking at Abrams as GM next year anyway.
I wonder if firing Ross and changing up the scouting dept would have made more sense given Reese’s age at the time. 12-38 since.
eh, getting rid of Reese was one of the few things Mara has gotten right.
Amazing we went from 'In Reese We Trust' to the pitchforks for him to get the axe. He helped build 2 title teams so for that I'm grateful, but it was clear he had to be shown the door.
that needed to get healthy. Gary Myers was firing up get rid of TC again and the team rallied around its coach. What a shame what happened to Hakeem. Eli at his finest.
I think Reese may get in the ring of honor down the road. He did a lot of good things for the organization and in time I think more of us can appreciate his contributions. His biggest mistake was Ross. I don't think anyone knows what exactly transpired but I always they were very split factions starting around 2011. I don't know how much authority he really had though.
With the benefit of hindsight, I wonder if firing Reese was a mistake. We know the Giants prefer longevity at GM with familiarity in the Giants structure as a family run business. It’s very possible we are looking at Abrams as GM next year anyway.
I wonder if firing Ross and changing up the scouting dept would have made more sense given Reese’s age at the time. 12-38 since.
I'm not saying you are saying this, but one principle I've really learned in business is that just because someone was once good at something doesn't mean they will be in the future.
The human experience is too fluid to assume good outcomes will repeat themselves. People change, circumstances change, etc.
I always felt Accorsi was a good starter, and a bad closer. He got a lot of teams close, but never on the podium.
Reese felt like the opposite. He was the exact right guy to put the finishing touches. Cutting Petigout was a bold move I don't think Accorsi would have done for instance. Reese was a good closer, but when it came to rebuild time he's not your guy.
I think the biggest mistake was not firing Reese when they "retired" Coughlin. There was too much silly desire for continuity, when it was clear the era was over.
With the benefit of hindsight, I wonder if firing Reese was a mistake. We know the Giants prefer longevity at GM with familiarity in the Giants structure as a family run business. It’s very possible we are looking at Abrams as GM next year anyway.
I wonder if firing Ross and changing up the scouting dept would have made more sense given Reese’s age at the time. 12-38 since.
I'm not saying you are saying this, but one principle I've really learned in business is that just because someone was once good at something doesn't mean they will be in the future.
The human experience is too fluid to assume good outcomes will repeat themselves. People change, circumstances change, etc.
I always felt Accorsi was a good starter, and a bad closer. He got a lot of teams close, but never on the podium.
Reese felt like the opposite. He was the exact right guy to put the finishing touches. Cutting Petigout was a bold move I don't think Accorsi would have done for instance. Reese was a good closer, but when it came to rebuild time he's not your guy.
I think the biggest mistake was not firing Reese when they "retired" Coughlin. There was too much silly desire for continuity, when it was clear the era was over.
2016 onward has felt like the Godfather III.
Great post
RE: The sad thing is the disrespect Jerry Reese gets here..
people were so quick to run him out of town. And he probably needed to go, but the guy built a Super Bowl team. If you don’t want to give him credit for 2007, fine (although that draft was brilliant), but he has his hands all over 2011.
I hope Reese gets his due at some point and gets into the Giants Ring of Honor, because he deserves it.
Reese’s downfall was not firing Ross when he was clearly in over his head. Reese was a great talent evaluator, but as GM he handed the duty over to someone who was not and he never replaced him.
RE: RE: The sad thing is the disrespect Jerry Reese gets here..
Reese’s downfall was not firing Ross when he was clearly in over his head. Reese was a great talent evaluator, but as GM he handed the duty over to someone who was not and he never replaced him.
I often wonder if this was a case of the Peter Principle, promoting someone above the position they are most suited to perform. It does seem like Reese was a great talent evaluator. He might have made a good GM if he hadn't relied on Ross, but I guess good hiring is a key part of any managerial job. And as noted above, he didn't seem to adjust.
I admit that I may be possibly missing key information. I see often that Reese gets credit for draft picks even while Acorsi was gm, well, is there perhaps someone that should share success with Reese's picks when he was gm? Is there someone to share Reese's success for his good free agent signings? It seems like a fair question to me.
I admit that I may be possibly missing key information. I see often that Reese gets credit for draft picks even while Acorsi was gm, well, is there perhaps someone that should share success with Reese's picks when he was gm? Is there someone to share Reese's success for his good free agent signings? It seems like a fair question to me.
On the pro personnel side Gettleman did a really great job under Accorsi and Reese.
On the college side, the Giants didn’t directly replace Reese. At the time it was assumed Reese was still taking principle responsibility for the draft. I don’t think it was until 2013 if I’m not mistaken that Ross was promoted to VP and officially put in charge of the draft on paper.
I admit that I may be possibly missing key information. I see often that Reese gets credit for draft picks even while Acorsi was gm, well, is there perhaps someone that should share success with Reese's picks when he was gm? Is there someone to share Reese's success for his good free agent signings? It seems like a fair question to me.
On the pro personnel side Gettleman did a really great job under Accorsi and Reese.
On the college side, the Giants didn’t directly replace Reese. At the time it was assumed Reese was still taking principle responsibility for the draft. I don’t think it was until 2013 if I’m not mistaken that Ross was promoted to VP and officially put in charge of the draft on paper.
Thanks for the response. I find the whole, who gets credit for what, to be an unbalanced conversation and lacking real facts.
1) General management is/should be a taxing responsibility year-to-year, and holding that seat while winning a championship is an extremely hard job and accomplishment
2) Building a championship roster is a multi-year process and the fruit of many qualified people on the college and pro personnel side doing a good job a bunch of offseasons in a row
I agree, but I think those considerations are missing from probably most conversations involving GM's that fans feel the need to over compliment or overly critique.
I think over a 3 year period you get a sense of the GM. I posted this above, Reese was a good closer, but not a good starter. He wasn’t the right guy for a rebuild. I think the same thing about Gettleman. He nearly closed the deal in Carolina. If he had, he’s probably not the Giants GM.
I think there’s plenty of credit and blame you can give out to a guy running the shop for 3 years. The resources expended in three drafts and and three veteran acquisition periods should get you the players to open a competitive window.
I’ll reserve judgment on Gettleman until after this year. If this team looks several players away from competing for a playoff spot next year, he needs to retire.
1) General management is/should be a taxing responsibility year-to-year, and holding that seat while winning a championship is an extremely hard job and accomplishment
2) Building a championship roster is a multi-year process and the fruit of many qualified people on the college and pro personnel side doing a good job a bunch of offseasons in a row
Christian - Also think most teams need to catch a little bit of “lightening in a bottle” and/or good fortune to be champions. The championship teams that had to base too much of their success on that versus moreso on your 1 and 2 above seem to fall apart quicker and rebound slower.
I keep thinking Jon Gruden has taken a lot from gilbride when i watch the raiders these days. a lot of the same features.
I hope Reese gets his due at some point and gets into the Giants Ring of Honor, because he deserves it.
I hope Reese gets his due at some point and gets into the Giants Ring of Honor, because he deserves it.
+1
And I saw 2 of them in person. Such a great season
Didn’t they have a 4 game losing streak in November?
They got healthy and hot at the right time.
He deserves every piece of sxxt tossed his way. Both for the players selected and those kept on the roster far too long like hapless James Brewers and a host of other guys too afraid to play football.
Good ffin riddance!
What a special memory for me.
Lambeau went silent.
Oh, and as an aside, listening to Troy Aikman drool over the Romo during that 2008 playoff was just—well, I was embarrassed for him. “The Giants have no chance.” He must’ve said it 15 times.
When Eli and Nicks hooked up the next play on the Hail Mary, I knew we were winning the super bowl. That set of downs magnified by the luck involved told me we had the mojo.
Good ffin riddance!
I remember long ago something weird happening on this very board.
Someone else and I got into a squabble over, how, not only was Brewer a decent player who needed some work, buuuuut it was the coaching staff's fault he sucked and didn't amount to anything in the NFL. That goes for his time after with the Giants as well.
No bullshit. No excuses. That's for losers. Just ram it down their throats again and again. That's what she said.
37-20. The two touchdowns the Packers scored in the game were both on drives that ended so well for them only thanks to the lengthening of said drives BECAUSE the refs did so with their obviously biased calls.
Lots of great Nicks moments. One that I always liked was earlier in that 2011 season where Eli got into a shootout with Rodgers. The Giants lost on a last minute FG, but there were a couple of touchdowns that Nicks caught over Charles Woodson that were super impressive to feed the comeback. What I always remember was Woodson "tipping his hat" to Nicks after those catches, basically saying nice job...you beat me.
he could still be in the league if not for injuries
I disagree. Accorsi built the foundation (although he was bashed too by BBI), but Reese has his hand prints on both SB titles. Especially 2011 with Nicks-Cruz-Manningham. JPP was huge in that run. Smart, complimentary FA signings.
Go back and look at the 2011 roster again. Almost the whole defense came under Reese's watch. And the WR's.
How about getting the facts straight..
I hope Reese gets his due at some point and gets into the Giants Ring of Honor, because he deserves it.
Are you serious with this? Reese gets tons of credit for the two super bowl teams. However, what he did after 2011 and wasted the 2nd half of Eli's career was criminal. It begs the question if the two super bowls were really won on the strength of Accorsi's picks.
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that the teams that won the super bowls were mostly built by Ernie. Reese did ok with a few free agents, and he had knack for hitting on First Rounders, but he never addressed the Oline correctly, and as soon as those Accorsi guys retired or left, the team nose dived.
Go back and look at the 2011 roster again. Almost the whole defense came under Reese's watch. And the WR's.
How about getting the facts straight..
Uh, not quite. The heart of the defense were all Accorsi picks: Tuck, Osi, Webster, Kiwanuka, Ross.
Anyways, the store closed at 5 on Sunday's in the winter and the game started at 4:15, so I put it on at 4:15.
Me and friend go take a cab to meet friends at Bounce uptown and the place is packed. We couldn't get in. I told my friend/coworker "listen, you can go whereever, but I can see the TV from outside and I will just stand here."
I had this ridiclious Giants rastafarian hat on and my friends inside the bar saw the fake hair go down and THEN up when Nicks caught this ball.
Also, the Packers should have scored only one TD that day. Because that wasn't a fumble and it sure as shit wasn't roughing the passer on Rodgers either.
Linval Joseph
Antrelle Rolle
JPP
Kenny Phillips
Michale Boley
Deon Grant
Obviously he had input into bringing in some of that talent...but the point is that most new GMs get lousy teams and have to build from the ground up. For Reese, all the heavy lifting was done prior to him getting the job.
That's right. Giants definitely made a deal with the devil in 2011. This is payback time.
Yeah, but then the Falcons blew the doors off the Packers in the NFC Championship game so not quite the same.
The 2007, 8, 9 and 10 drafts were very solid and kept the talent level high.
Eventually doing a bad job at GM, and formerly doing a good were not mutually exclusive.
The 2007, 8, 9 and 10 drafts were very solid and kept the talent level high.
Eventually doing a bad job at GM, and formerly doing a good were not mutually exclusive.
With the benefit of hindsight, I wonder if firing Reese was a mistake. We know the Giants prefer longevity at GM with familiarity in the Giants structure as a family run business. It’s very possible we are looking at Abrams as GM next year anyway.
I wonder if firing Ross and changing up the scouting dept would have made more sense given Reese’s age at the time. 12-38 since.
Rodgers had a similar one a few years back to beat the lions where he hit richard rogers and it was just so obvious he was going to catch it right away
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Reese was the co-pilot running those 2004-2006 drafts with Accorsi. He did a very good job at the director level, and a very good job as GM for several years.
The 2007, 8, 9 and 10 drafts were very solid and kept the talent level high.
Eventually doing a bad job at GM, and formerly doing a good were not mutually exclusive.
With the benefit of hindsight, I wonder if firing Reese was a mistake. We know the Giants prefer longevity at GM with familiarity in the Giants structure as a family run business. It’s very possible we are looking at Abrams as GM next year anyway.
I wonder if firing Ross and changing up the scouting dept would have made more sense given Reese’s age at the time. 12-38 since.
eh, getting rid of Reese was one of the few things Mara has gotten right.
I think Reese may get in the ring of honor down the road. He did a lot of good things for the organization and in time I think more of us can appreciate his contributions. His biggest mistake was Ross. I don't think anyone knows what exactly transpired but I always they were very split factions starting around 2011. I don't know how much authority he really had though.
I wonder if firing Ross and changing up the scouting dept would have made more sense given Reese’s age at the time. 12-38 since.
I'm not saying you are saying this, but one principle I've really learned in business is that just because someone was once good at something doesn't mean they will be in the future.
The human experience is too fluid to assume good outcomes will repeat themselves. People change, circumstances change, etc.
I always felt Accorsi was a good starter, and a bad closer. He got a lot of teams close, but never on the podium.
Reese felt like the opposite. He was the exact right guy to put the finishing touches. Cutting Petigout was a bold move I don't think Accorsi would have done for instance. Reese was a good closer, but when it came to rebuild time he's not your guy.
I think the biggest mistake was not firing Reese when they "retired" Coughlin. There was too much silly desire for continuity, when it was clear the era was over.
2016 onward has felt like the Godfather III.
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With the benefit of hindsight, I wonder if firing Reese was a mistake. We know the Giants prefer longevity at GM with familiarity in the Giants structure as a family run business. It’s very possible we are looking at Abrams as GM next year anyway.
I wonder if firing Ross and changing up the scouting dept would have made more sense given Reese’s age at the time. 12-38 since.
I'm not saying you are saying this, but one principle I've really learned in business is that just because someone was once good at something doesn't mean they will be in the future.
The human experience is too fluid to assume good outcomes will repeat themselves. People change, circumstances change, etc.
I always felt Accorsi was a good starter, and a bad closer. He got a lot of teams close, but never on the podium.
Reese felt like the opposite. He was the exact right guy to put the finishing touches. Cutting Petigout was a bold move I don't think Accorsi would have done for instance. Reese was a good closer, but when it came to rebuild time he's not your guy.
I think the biggest mistake was not firing Reese when they "retired" Coughlin. There was too much silly desire for continuity, when it was clear the era was over.
2016 onward has felt like the Godfather III.
I hope Reese gets his due at some point and gets into the Giants Ring of Honor, because he deserves it.
Reese’s downfall was not firing Ross when he was clearly in over his head. Reese was a great talent evaluator, but as GM he handed the duty over to someone who was not and he never replaced him.
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Reese’s downfall was not firing Ross when he was clearly in over his head. Reese was a great talent evaluator, but as GM he handed the duty over to someone who was not and he never replaced him.
I often wonder if this was a case of the Peter Principle, promoting someone above the position they are most suited to perform. It does seem like Reese was a great talent evaluator. He might have made a good GM if he hadn't relied on Ross, but I guess good hiring is a key part of any managerial job. And as noted above, he didn't seem to adjust.
On the pro personnel side Gettleman did a really great job under Accorsi and Reese.
On the college side, the Giants didn’t directly replace Reese. At the time it was assumed Reese was still taking principle responsibility for the draft. I don’t think it was until 2013 if I’m not mistaken that Ross was promoted to VP and officially put in charge of the draft on paper.
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I admit that I may be possibly missing key information. I see often that Reese gets credit for draft picks even while Acorsi was gm, well, is there perhaps someone that should share success with Reese's picks when he was gm? Is there someone to share Reese's success for his good free agent signings? It seems like a fair question to me.
On the pro personnel side Gettleman did a really great job under Accorsi and Reese.
On the college side, the Giants didn’t directly replace Reese. At the time it was assumed Reese was still taking principle responsibility for the draft. I don’t think it was until 2013 if I’m not mistaken that Ross was promoted to VP and officially put in charge of the draft on paper.
Thanks for the response. I find the whole, who gets credit for what, to be an unbalanced conversation and lacking real facts.
1) General management is/should be a taxing responsibility year-to-year, and holding that seat while winning a championship is an extremely hard job and accomplishment
2) Building a championship roster is a multi-year process and the fruit of many qualified people on the college and pro personnel side doing a good job a bunch of offseasons in a row
I think there’s plenty of credit and blame you can give out to a guy running the shop for 3 years. The resources expended in three drafts and and three veteran acquisition periods should get you the players to open a competitive window.
I’ll reserve judgment on Gettleman until after this year. If this team looks several players away from competing for a playoff spot next year, he needs to retire.
1) General management is/should be a taxing responsibility year-to-year, and holding that seat while winning a championship is an extremely hard job and accomplishment
2) Building a championship roster is a multi-year process and the fruit of many qualified people on the college and pro personnel side doing a good job a bunch of offseasons in a row
Christian - Also think most teams need to catch a little bit of “lightening in a bottle” and/or good fortune to be champions. The championship teams that had to base too much of their success on that versus moreso on your 1 and 2 above seem to fall apart quicker and rebound slower.