Didn't mean to attack you R9. It was meant more so for the general doom and gloom hovering over many Giants fans, which is certainly understandable. Going on no sleep so probably a bit cranky.
I actually agree with Engram getting a td or two, even if it seems like a stretch with how he's looked so far. I'm sure Garrett will try to get him involved in a variety of ways. It seems like he may not be comfortable with the new playbook yet which hopefully, is why he's not playing nearly as fast as he should be with his AA.
Anyway, here's my prediction: Giants 27, Niners 24.
Don't like predicting stats but...
- Jones takes care of the ball and Freeman (while having a limited package) helps get the tough yards on short yardage situations to keep the chains moving.
- Time of possesion will be huge this game with the 49ers likely to play more conservative with all of their injuries.
- Peppers gets some nice returns to help with field position and we win the special teams battle.
- Defense shuts down their running game while forcing Mullens into a few mistakes.
NYG running game is due for a big game or at least a respectable game.
NYG Defense has some liabilities, but it's good enough to contain the depleted 9ers offense.
Could see special teams play or turnovers being the difference in this one It's time NYG caught a break and this just feels like the right game for it. (9ers 2nd east coast trip road game in a row and all banged up).
Even a banged up 49er defense can stop this banged up Giant's offense.
Engram leading receiver for Giants.
Jones cuts TOs in half.
Giants touted interior line fails in another chance to stop run.
Giants RBs improve production with less attention by SF on stopping run.
It’s close but this is the NFC Champ playing against one of the worst teams in the NFL. Three predictions:
-DJ8 with three turnovers
-Big Blue offense held to under 200 yards total offense
-Giants special teams make a play for a touchdown. (Might be a Peppers return for TD, could be a blocked punt for TD, kick return to the house, but specials for the TD)
they still have talent. They are certainly injury riddled but the Giants have been hit with as many over the last few years at times. I don't hear people giving those Giants teams any breaks.
this one. In fact, I think in a very weird fashion the loss of Barkley will open things up for others and with no one target a focus by the defense, we have options galore.
Giants 31 49ers 16
Jones goes for 325 yds and 3 TDS with EE and Kaden Smith getting 2 of them and Slayton the other.
Pain. Or more of the same in GiantLand. Until Jones proves he's not a turnover machine, this team won't win anything. 27-10, SanFran - two more turnovers from Jones.
Would love to predict a Giants win, but this team - right now, as is -
seems to have several steps until they get on a similar page. Some of the pieces are there, but some are not. Tough to say if replacement pieces will help, or if things will just stagnate until more talent eventually arrives.
I keep hearing and reading about how the Niners are a JV team this week. I know they're decimated in key spots, but I don't buy that they're going to roll over.
Would be great to get a win. Nice to feel that. But more likely is a close loss, with more heartbreaking what-ifs.
There's no way I'd pick the Giants normally - but SF might be the most injured team in football right now. Not only did they lose a lot of players, they lost really good ones - like Bosa.
They are beat up. Badly. And they've been whining about the MetLife turf all week.
I'm going to say the Giants will actually manage a win here. If they don't, I doubt I will pick them to win another game all season.
On offense they take advantage of the depleted depth on the niners DL and stick with the run. 30 caries 120 yds. Jones has zero turnovers and excels in play action.
Defense commits to stopping the run and puts the game in Mullins hands. Holds the niners to just over 100 yards on the ground.
Niners will force Jones to throw into tight coverage. They will double Slayton, one one one with Tate and 7 in the box. Bunch of blitzing because of still shaky OL.
Giants have no weapons but a run defense that will get worn as the game goes on.
(Across 40 predictions) was Giants 24 - Bears 20, a spread of 4 points positive for the Giants.
The actual score was: Bears 17 - Giants 13, a spread of 4 points in the other direction.
So, the error of the collective BBI prediction was 8 points.
So far, I've tabulated 40 predictions for this week's game -- the average is:
Giants 20
49ers 20
A tie -- or, zero spread between the two teams. Thus,
given the 8 point BBI prediction error from last week, I'm predicting the Giants lose to the 49ers by 8 points.
Saw the runs by Snell and Montgomery and will use those to figure out how to run over our defense. Expect a long day of being run over and a defense that is too fast for us to move the ball on.
After a little more thought, and remembering how stupid it felt to pick the Giants to win last week, I think I'll revise my above and just say we'll lose. Don't know what the score will be, don't care... but there's really no reason whatsoever to think we'll win this game, so until the Giants actually do win a football game, it doesn't make much sense to predict victory.
Jimmy G, Kittle,Coleman, Bosa, Thomas, Debo and plenty more out. If giants don't win against this practice squad something is terribly wrong
Jordan Reed had two TDs last week. When healthy he's still a good TE.
Jerrick McKinnon is still the highest paid RB on the team and looks like he was worth hanging on to, two games thus far.
Brandon Aiyuk despite being a rookie projects to be a WR1 on this team at some point. May say more about the team's WR situation than anything, but high hopes for him versus most other receivers drafted on this team in recent time.
DL still has Armstead and Kinlaw, along with some other decent names. It's still better IMO than what the Niners trotted out pre-2019, even when they had Buckner as the main draw. The DL before the Bosa and Ford injuries seemed improved over last year, and when Bosa returns next year and Ford is likely gone, it should be better than the 2019 form.
LBs are very good, no SB trip last year without them.
Secondary is good. If Witherspoon doesn't underproduce then he and Emmanuel Mosely are a good pair. K'Waun Williams is a top slot CB that flies under the radar. Still have their good safeties in Ward and Tartt.
As for Mullens, he has won games in this league. The first Niner win versus the Seahawks in 5 seasons stands out.
The Giants look to play tough and with good energy these first two weeks, but the Barkley loss seems like it will be tough to overcome.
We have no running game, an inexperienced OL, and only one WR, Slayton, that concerns anyone. With Barkley out, Slayton and Engram are easily neutralized. Expect Jones to be throwing against a lot of dime defenses, because even with their injuries, the 49ers should be able to generate pressure with just three or four rushers. That will cause Jones to hold the ball too long while he waits for his receivers to separate, leaving him vulnerable to big hits that will cause him to fumble. Unless someone unexpectedly steps up, I don't see the Giants doing much on offense.
On defense, we'll be stout against the run as usual, but no pass rush from the edge and a weak secondary will allow SF to move the ball well enough to score. The defense will likely be worn out by the middle of the third quarter or the early fourth quarter.
We'd need something unusual to happen to win this game.
Jones builds confidence early with Engram and Slayton. Running game improves enough to sell the play-action. Defense plays well early and builds confidence as well. Giants win 27-17. Word!
Where is this stout against the run thing coming from?
There's no way I'd pick the Giants normally - but SF might be the most injured team in football right now. Not only did they lose a lot of players, they lost really good ones - like Bosa.
They are beat up. Badly. And they've been whining about the MetLife turf all week.
I'm going to say the Giants will actually manage a win here. If they don't, I doubt I will pick them to win another game all season.
NYG 28, SF 20.
Trying to make up for your "realist" sins earlier this week, arc? ;)
RE: Last week, the collective BBI average prediction
(Across 40 predictions) was Giants 24 - Bears 20, a spread of 4 points positive for the Giants.
The actual score was: Bears 17 - Giants 13, a spread of 4 points in the other direction.
So, the error of the collective BBI prediction was 8 points.
So far, I've tabulated 40 predictions for this week's game -- the average is:
Giants 20
49ers 20
A tie -- or, zero spread between the two teams. Thus,
given the 8 point BBI prediction error from last week, I'm predicting the Giants lose to the 49ers by 8 points.
Giants win 80 -0. That prediction included in your calculations should formulate to Giants win. No?
I have a ton of respect for Shanahan as a play-caller. So I think he figures out a way to stitch together enough offense to win a error-filled game both way...
9ers: 19
NYG: 17
RE: You know, I used to wonder how fans of the Bills or Lions
There's no way I'd pick the Giants normally - but SF might be the most injured team in football right now. Not only did they lose a lot of players, they lost really good ones - like Bosa.
They are beat up. Badly. And they've been whining about the MetLife turf all week.
I'm going to say the Giants will actually manage a win here. If they don't, I doubt I will pick them to win another game all season.
NYG 28, SF 20.
Trying to make up for your "realist" sins earlier this week, arc? ;)
Hah, did you see what I followed it up with?
My good feelings were gone by lunch. I reversed course and moved to a loss. :)
Not gonna press panic button if we lose but will be extremely
concerned about this team moving forward if it doesn’t come down to last possession. Really no excuse there. If this game is non competitive I’ll be halfway to losing confidence in Judge and Jones.
Giants 23 49ers 22
RE: Where is this stout against the run thing coming from?
They've given up almost 140 yards a game so far. 23rd in the NFL so far. That's stout?
Giants D has been very good. They shut our Chicago in the 2nd half last week.
"Which is not a sample one would want to hang their hat on, but it is at least mildly surprising that we are 5th in the league right now on average yards allowed per game (326.5)
Sure hasn't felt that way!
Only the Colts, Ravens, Steelers and Saints are better so far."
Double reverse halfback option fumblerooski Statue of Liberty flea flicker swinging gate hook and lateral. It takes 12 seconds to develop and results in a 23 yard loss. We quick kick on first down the rest of the game.
But the Niners are so scared of the turf they kneel every play.
It’s 0-0 late in OT when our 14th quick kick is blocked on a missed block by EE for a safety.
Niners win 2-0. We all agree we’re seeing real improvement. Judge says he’s proud of how multiple we were. Gettleman trades 4 draft picks for an Uber ride home after the game.
Double reverse halfback option fumblerooski Statue of Liberty flea flicker swinging gate hook and lateral. It takes 12 seconds to develop and results in a 23 yard loss. We quick kick on first down the rest of the game.
But the Niners are so scared of the turf they kneel every play.
It’s 0-0 late in OT when our 14th quick kick is blocked on a missed block by EE for a safety.
Niners win 2-0. We all agree we’re seeing real improvement. Judge says he’s proud of how multiple we were. Gettleman trades 4 draft picks for an Uber ride home after the game.
IMO this is a perfectly accurate prediction.
Except for the part "we all agree we're seeing real improvement!
Until the Giants show us that they know how to actually win a game I’m done picking them. Each week feels like deja vu all over again.
I’ve been a supporter of Daniel Jones and still am, but if he’s going to be a franchise QB, he needs to stop turning the ball over at crucial times and put this damn team on his shoulders and lead them to a win. The losses are mounting in his resume. Certainly not even close to all his fault, but a true franchise QB finds a way to get the job done under less than ideal circumstances. Let’s see that happen today.
I actually agree with Engram getting a td or two, even if it seems like a stretch with how he's looked so far. I'm sure Garrett will try to get him involved in a variety of ways. It seems like he may not be comfortable with the new playbook yet which hopefully, is why he's not playing nearly as fast as he should be with his AA.
Anyway, here's my prediction: Giants 27, Niners 24.
Don't like predicting stats but...
- Jones takes care of the ball and Freeman (while having a limited package) helps get the tough yards on short yardage situations to keep the chains moving.
- Time of possesion will be huge this game with the 49ers likely to play more conservative with all of their injuries.
- Peppers gets some nice returns to help with field position and we win the special teams battle.
- Defense shuts down their running game while forcing Mullens into a few mistakes.
Big Blue rolls
SF 27
NYG 16
NYG Defense has some liabilities, but it's good enough to contain the depleted 9ers offense.
Could see special teams play or turnovers being the difference in this one It's time NYG caught a break and this just feels like the right game for it. (9ers 2nd east coast trip road game in a row and all banged up).
Engram leading receiver for Giants.
Jones cuts TOs in half.
Giants touted interior line fails in another chance to stop run.
Giants RBs improve production with less attention by SF on stopping run.
9ers 16
I think NYG runs Jones a lot more which works. Zone reads and he also just stops sitting in the pocket for so long.
I dont think the Giants can stop the running attack, the OL is strong even with Mostert out.
Niners - 28
Giants - 16
-DJ8 with three turnovers
-Big Blue offense held to under 200 yards total offense
-Giants special teams make a play for a touchdown. (Might be a Peppers return for TD, could be a blocked punt for TD, kick return to the house, but specials for the TD)
Big Blue rolls
Hey weren't most of the ACTUAL 49ers Miners anyway?! I like it!
Gonna be a tough low scoring affair, 14 - 12.
Until we actually win, I'm not taking us.
Giants 13-6.
Giants 31 49ers 16
Jones goes for 325 yds and 3 TDS with EE and Kaden Smith getting 2 of them and Slayton the other.
Carter with 2.5 sacks and a strip fumble.
I keep hearing and reading about how the Niners are a JV team this week. I know they're decimated in key spots, but I don't buy that they're going to roll over.
Would be great to get a win. Nice to feel that. But more likely is a close loss, with more heartbreaking what-ifs.
49ers 27
Giants 23
Jones controls pace of the game, no pressure on him, Giants use the short pass as their running game..
Slayton beats niners deep..
30-10 gmen
Wrong! He hits the GW FG, but there’s a false start penalty on us and he misses the ensuing FG attempt
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one of the ugliest and sloppiest games this week. Gano hits a 40 yarder in the waning seconds to win 17-16
Wrong! He hits the GW FG, but there’s a false start penalty on us and he misses the ensuing FG attempt
You pessimistic murderer!!!
They are beat up. Badly. And they've been whining about the MetLife turf all week.
I'm going to say the Giants will actually manage a win here. If they don't, I doubt I will pick them to win another game all season.
NYG 28, SF 20.
Giants 31 - SF 17
Jones goes nuts - 300 yds, 3 TDs , 75% completions
Slayton - 100 yds, 2 TDS
Lewis - 100 total yds, 1 TD
- DJ throws 2 TD passes - No turnovers
- Dion Lewis has 7 catches for 100+ out of the backfield
- Slayton and Engram TD's
- Defense forces 2 turnovers
On offense they take advantage of the depleted depth on the niners DL and stick with the run. 30 caries 120 yds. Jones has zero turnovers and excels in play action.
Defense commits to stopping the run and puts the game in Mullins hands. Holds the niners to just over 100 yards on the ground.
Niners will force Jones to throw into tight coverage. They will double Slayton, one one one with Tate and 7 in the box. Bunch of blitzing because of still shaky OL.
Giants have no weapons but a run defense that will get worn as the game goes on.
I can see a 2 INT game for Jones..
SF 19
Giants with two turnovers. 230 total yards. 1-3 in the red zone.
God I hope I'm wrong. I'm just looking at history as a guide.
:dunno:
The play is sloppy and watching the game is a bit of a grind. Neither offense moves the ball consistently and special teams is the deciding factor.
Giants eek one out, 17-15.
I have picked this same score each week...and will do so until they win.
(Across 40 predictions) was Giants 24 - Bears 20, a spread of 4 points positive for the Giants.
The actual score was: Bears 17 - Giants 13, a spread of 4 points in the other direction.
So, the error of the collective BBI prediction was 8 points.
So far, I've tabulated 40 predictions for this week's game -- the average is:
Giants 20
49ers 20
A tie -- or, zero spread between the two teams. Thus,
given the 8 point BBI prediction error from last week, I'm predicting the Giants lose to the 49ers by 8 points.
49ers 20, Giants 16.
49ers 30
Giants 9
THis game is on the DL and DJ for the Giants.
DL comes up big and DJ makes some big time throws.
Giants 24 49ers 17
Offense effectively moves the ball but relies on Gano, defense clamps down on the Niners without Jimmy and Mostert.
Hope to be wrong. Probably won't be.
Jordan Reed had two TDs last week. When healthy he's still a good TE.
Jerrick McKinnon is still the highest paid RB on the team and looks like he was worth hanging on to, two games thus far.
Brandon Aiyuk despite being a rookie projects to be a WR1 on this team at some point. May say more about the team's WR situation than anything, but high hopes for him versus most other receivers drafted on this team in recent time.
DL still has Armstead and Kinlaw, along with some other decent names. It's still better IMO than what the Niners trotted out pre-2019, even when they had Buckner as the main draw. The DL before the Bosa and Ford injuries seemed improved over last year, and when Bosa returns next year and Ford is likely gone, it should be better than the 2019 form.
LBs are very good, no SB trip last year without them.
Secondary is good. If Witherspoon doesn't underproduce then he and Emmanuel Mosely are a good pair. K'Waun Williams is a top slot CB that flies under the radar. Still have their good safeties in Ward and Tartt.
As for Mullens, he has won games in this league. The first Niner win versus the Seahawks in 5 seasons stands out.
The Giants look to play tough and with good energy these first two weeks, but the Barkley loss seems like it will be tough to overcome.
We have no running game, an inexperienced OL, and only one WR, Slayton, that concerns anyone. With Barkley out, Slayton and Engram are easily neutralized. Expect Jones to be throwing against a lot of dime defenses, because even with their injuries, the 49ers should be able to generate pressure with just three or four rushers. That will cause Jones to hold the ball too long while he waits for his receivers to separate, leaving him vulnerable to big hits that will cause him to fumble. Unless someone unexpectedly steps up, I don't see the Giants doing much on offense.
On defense, we'll be stout against the run as usual, but no pass rush from the edge and a weak secondary will allow SF to move the ball well enough to score. The defense will likely be worn out by the middle of the third quarter or the early fourth quarter.
We'd need something unusual to happen to win this game.
I guess I'm learning first-hand now.
They are beat up. Badly. And they've been whining about the MetLife turf all week.
I'm going to say the Giants will actually manage a win here. If they don't, I doubt I will pick them to win another game all season.
NYG 28, SF 20.
Trying to make up for your "realist" sins earlier this week, arc? ;)
(Across 40 predictions) was Giants 24 - Bears 20, a spread of 4 points positive for the Giants.
The actual score was: Bears 17 - Giants 13, a spread of 4 points in the other direction.
So, the error of the collective BBI prediction was 8 points.
So far, I've tabulated 40 predictions for this week's game -- the average is:
Giants 20
49ers 20
A tie -- or, zero spread between the two teams. Thus,
given the 8 point BBI prediction error from last week, I'm predicting the Giants lose to the 49ers by 8 points.
Giants win 80 -0. That prediction included in your calculations should formulate to Giants win. No?
9ers: 19
NYG: 17
I guess I'm learning first-hand now.
Yeah but who cares about those teams?
This is actually important around here. We're just .... more important?
Quote:
There's no way I'd pick the Giants normally - but SF might be the most injured team in football right now. Not only did they lose a lot of players, they lost really good ones - like Bosa.
They are beat up. Badly. And they've been whining about the MetLife turf all week.
I'm going to say the Giants will actually manage a win here. If they don't, I doubt I will pick them to win another game all season.
NYG 28, SF 20.
Trying to make up for your "realist" sins earlier this week, arc? ;)
Hah, did you see what I followed it up with?
My good feelings were gone by lunch. I reversed course and moved to a loss. :)
Giants 23 49ers 22
Giants D has been very good. They shut our Chicago in the 2nd half last week.
"Which is not a sample one would want to hang their hat on, but it is at least mildly surprising that we are 5th in the league right now on average yards allowed per game (326.5)
Sure hasn't felt that way!
Only the Colts, Ravens, Steelers and Saints are better so far."
But the Niners are so scared of the turf they kneel every play.
It’s 0-0 late in OT when our 14th quick kick is blocked on a missed block by EE for a safety.
Niners win 2-0. We all agree we’re seeing real improvement. Judge says he’s proud of how multiple we were. Gettleman trades 4 draft picks for an Uber ride home after the game.
But the Niners are so scared of the turf they kneel every play.
It’s 0-0 late in OT when our 14th quick kick is blocked on a missed block by EE for a safety.
Niners win 2-0. We all agree we’re seeing real improvement. Judge says he’s proud of how multiple we were. Gettleman trades 4 draft picks for an Uber ride home after the game.
IMO this is a perfectly accurate prediction.
Except for the part "we all agree we're seeing real improvement!
I’ve been a supporter of Daniel Jones and still am, but if he’s going to be a franchise QB, he needs to stop turning the ball over at crucial times and put this damn team on his shoulders and lead them to a win. The losses are mounting in his resume. Certainly not even close to all his fault, but a true franchise QB finds a way to get the job done under less than ideal circumstances. Let’s see that happen today.