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Fire Dave Gettleman.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/27/2020 3:37 pm
This team is so fucking devoid of talent...it is embarrassing. Getting our asses kicked by a team putting out backups.

Hire someone outside of the 'Giants family' who can give a clear & honest assessment of what is broken & how to fix it.

Sadly Mara can't be fired so we will have to settle for DG.

I am sick of watching this garbage year after year. It is becoming a waste of time.
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RE: Putting Dolan on the same sentence as Mara is bullshit..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/27/2020 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14986398 Sean said:
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you are better than that SFGF. As much of a train wreck the Giants are, I’ve experienced two Super Bowl titles rooting for them.


Sean, true. Dolan is in his own league. But Mara & this organization has been a clown show for far too long.
RE: RE: Putting Dolan on the same sentence as Mara is bullshit..  
bubba0825 : 9/27/2020 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14986411 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14986398 Sean said:


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you are better than that SFGF. As much of a train wreck the Giants are, I’ve experienced two Super Bowl titles rooting for them.



Sean, true. Dolan is in his own league. But Mara & this organization has been a clown show for far too long.


At least Dolan was able to control 2 pro franchises and not have to sell half of one
Not sure  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/27/2020 3:53 pm : link
How that is helpful
For this team  
GiantGrit : 9/27/2020 3:55 pm : link
To continuously play without toughness, without basic acumen to pick up assignments i.e. stunts and what not all while hiring new coaches.....

Any time an organization in any field performs poorly for 10 years it really has to start up top. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors but its the same aura behind the team year in year out.

I'm a younger fan so i didn't live through the 70's but this is seriously rock bottom, there is no doubt they are the worst franchise in the NFL right now (Argument made for the Jets but WOW is that poor company)

Seems like the organization lacks accountability as a whole. Need to gut the rotten foundation. Steelers family run organization we are not.

Nothing short of hearing John Mara flat out admit "i am apart of the problem and i am getting out of the way" will make me have any confidence this gets sorted out.

Starting Nick Gates at center is a total joke. Joke. Absolutely no excuse for this organization to continuously ignore that position. They have no depth on offense - they don't get my sympathy for that. Barkley, Shep and Engram are always hurt you had to have backups behind them.

And i was a Gettleman apologist. I fully admit that. But no excuse for this team to still have such a lack of talent.

Whooo-weeeee, does this organization stink to high heaven  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2020 3:56 pm : link
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Dave needs to retire...  
GFAN52 : 9/27/2020 3:57 pm : link
save Mara firing him.
RE: mphbullet36  
Enzo : 9/27/2020 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14986373 Eric from BBI said:
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Have you followed the team for the last decade?

They are THAT clueless.

but what about COLOMBO!
The facts on Gettleman speak for themselves  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/27/2020 3:57 pm : link
The entire Odell fiasco, signing him, the public statement and then trading him and the return on the trade (Zeitler and Peppers).

Offensive line investment and return is a big negative (Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, etc.)

1st round pick ROI right now is a negative with the exception of Lawrence. One could say argue they needed Allen more than Jones.

The Leonard Williams fiasco.

Dare we say Francesa was right?
RE: Dave needs to retire...  
bubba0825 : 9/27/2020 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14986460 GFAN52 said:
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save Mara firing him.


I say no, that would mean Abrams has a change to hang around collecting a paycheck, they need to fire everyone 4 years of half measures have screwed us
RE: RE: Dave needs to retire...  
bubba0825 : 9/27/2020 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14986475 bubba0825 said:
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save Mara firing him.



I say no, that would mean Abrams has a change to hang around collecting a paycheck, they need to fire everyone 4 years of half measures have screwed us
. I mean fire Gettleman don’t give him cover to retire
RE: Not sure  
trueblueinpw : 9/27/2020 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14986300 Eric from BBI said:
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that will make much difference. His hand-picked assistant GM will take over for him.


Your right, but sooner we Abrams installed the sooner he can flame out. Either way, we’re in the toilet for at least another 5 years.
Yup  
Spider43 : 9/27/2020 4:16 pm : link
He should have been out with Shurmur. But my panties aren't in a bunch right now because I know he's out at the end of the season. Three years too late, but better late than never.
Looks like that revamped...  
bw in dc : 9/27/2020 4:19 pm : link
scouting and grading system that Mara praised late last year isn't quite what John thought it was...
So Reese >>>> DG  
Gmen703 : 9/27/2020 4:21 pm : link
asking for a friend...
RE: we have a large contingent  
aimrocky : 9/27/2020 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14986349 MookGiants said:
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on here who actually like what gettleman has done.

He should never have been hired, and he absolutely should have been fired last off-season.

3rd year int he league and this roster is the biggest mess in the entire sport.


Mook, your opinion is valued but who the fuck cares what the BBI opinion is if Gettleman. You’re right, though. Get him out of here.
Accorsi needs to be removed...  
bw in dc : 9/27/2020 4:26 pm : link
from the ring of honor.

He's the jackass who recommended and basically hired Gettleman.

One of the THE WORST decisions in franchise history.
BINGO!  
Josh in MD : 9/27/2020 4:47 pm : link
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Nothing short of hearing John Mara flat out admit "i am apart of the problem and i am getting out of the way" will make me have any confidence this gets sorted out.


All the hate toward DG is misplaced, in my opinion. Mara is an imbecile. DG was his guy, but so was Reese. He insists on a voice in football decisions that he is woefully incapable of making. We had more than a decade of horrible football until his idiot father got out of the way. And this won't be fixed until John gets out of the way.
It's about damn time the consensus finally arrived  
Go Terps : 9/27/2020 4:53 pm : link
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Mara is very fortunate...  
bw in dc : 9/27/2020 4:55 pm : link
there are no fans allowed to attend the games.

RE: Not sure  
prdave73 : 9/27/2020 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14986300 Eric from BBI said:
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that will make much difference. His hand-picked assistant GM will take over for him.


There lies the problem.. This organization needs to stop hiring their brothers, sisters, cousins, Best Friends, etc.. Stop this bullshit and hire some outside quality already!
RE: It’s coming  
cpgiants : 9/27/2020 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14986304 jeff57 said:
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But won’t matter unless they bring in someone from out of the organization.


Flying a plane over an empty stadium would be peak Giants.

Im in, i guess....
He needs to go  
UberAlias : 9/27/2020 5:31 pm : link
Seriously. Enough is enough.
The ownership sucks  
uconngiant : 9/27/2020 5:32 pm : link
They need to get rid of Gettleman and change the entire scouting staff. They are terrible and you can see it with the lack of talent on the field.

Time to wear a bag on my head
Yes not enough is mentioned  
Giants86 : 9/27/2020 5:37 pm : link
About our lousy scouts. We are so talent deficient. The Niners have better backups then we do starters....
the Jones pick  
Producer : 9/27/2020 5:38 pm : link
is not working out. This is 2020. Not 1985. You need a star QB to guarantee perennial contention. That's not Jones.

The number 6 pick was squandered. That was DG's call. He could have had Tua this season.

That alone is a firing offense.
Hopefully Tisch  
Scooter185 : 9/27/2020 5:43 pm : link
Is getting more and more upset, puts his foot down, and stops compromising with mara
RE: the Jones pick  
Angel Eyes : 9/27/2020 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14986933 Producer said:
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is not working out. This is 2020. Not 1985. You need a star QB to guarantee perennial contention. That's not Jones.

The number 6 pick was squandered. That was DG's call. He could have had Tua this season.

That alone is a firing offense.

Tua had that hip issue of his.
Ownership has made some poor decisions lately, but with the changes  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/27/2020 5:47 pm : link
that Judge has made since he walked into the door, the 5 year contract, the comment about not pivoting course on a HC and the importance of getting the right guy this time, and the way our organization has been structured, its clear to me they are completely bought in on Judge for better or worse.

There are ebbs and flows between the power our HC has vs GM. TC had most the power after Accorsi retired, then after some poor Draft classes and questionable on the field decisions they gave Reese more and more power starting in 2013. Reese and Ross, at complete odds with the team philosphy TC wanted to employ, drafted poorly and bad fits schematically. That era went out with a whimper because you had a HC and GM clearly not on same page.

We then gave DG a ton of power to come in and clean up. They thought they could make this team competitive in 2017, shit became clear fast this team was broken. In 2018 the real rebuild began with some good moves and poor moves by DG, two bad HC hires which brought us to this past offseason. We'll probably never know what their true stance was on Rhule but they clearly wanted to bring in a program builder and give him reigns. Judge blew them away in the interview process (and its easy to see how) and its not his show. It's hard for us as fans to grasp this because we've sucked for so long but this is year 1 in a rebuild. However because DG has at least gave us a lot of room moving forward (and hopefully go the QB right) that if we dont' see the playoffs next year it will be extremely concering and we can be looking at another 5 year mistake.
Based on this performance today, the Giants  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/27/2020 5:53 pm : link
Would be better of forfeitng then fielding a team to go to LA. Give the fams a break
RE: It's about damn time the consensus finally arrived  
santacruzom : 9/27/2020 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14986757 Go Terps said:
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I'm  
AnthonyM : 9/27/2020 6:01 pm : link
tired of every 1st round pick we make being a head scratcher by the people covering the draft. I'm tired of our front office thinking they are smarter than the other 31 teams in the league and picking players in positions that no one had going at that spot. It has not worked!!!
RE: RE: It's about damn time the consensus finally arrived  
Go Terps : 9/27/2020 6:04 pm : link
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Sometimes I feel like linking a million archived threads. People (not just FMiC) can be pretty damn critical of other posters and then are never held accountable when they're wrong down the line.
How about paying $3 million for  
cosmicj : 9/27/2020 6:18 pm : link
A vet rental HB? This signing already looks very stupid less than a week after it was made.
Maybe Tisch already has put his foot down  
ghost718 : 9/27/2020 6:23 pm : link
Dating back to the Raider game with Geno Smith as starter.In which he was supposed to speak after the game,but it never happened.The next day Jerry and McAdoof got done,with Mara announcing it.

Now there's been some losing between now and than,what makes you think he hasn't had something to say.
RE: He needs to go  
LBH15 : 9/27/2020 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14986917 UberAlias said:
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Seriously. Enough is enough.


Gettleman sticking around provides comic relief on BBI.

Reading the posts of DG’s defenders regarding his moves/decisions is pure gold. They will always be tied to his legacy here.
RE: RE: RE: It's about damn time the consensus finally arrived  
Kyle_ : 9/27/2020 8:05 pm : link
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Sometimes I feel like linking a million archived threads. People (not just FMiC) can be pretty damn critical of other posters and then are never held accountable when they're wrong down the line.

A number of individuals here fancy themselves the smart football guy in their friend group, the one who calls out various things during the weekend game watch and the others nod and say "oh damn you're right I didn't notice that, wow." . Identity is tied it. Being wrong threatens that.

Typically, over the long run, siding with professionals will mean you're more correct than incorrect: they're professional after all, we're lay people. It's typically a good way to ensure you're correct!

But in the past 8 years, siding with the Giants coaching and management, in it's various iterations, has been a loser's gamble. We have been one of the worst franchises in football from the April 2012 draft until today.

No reason to assume our team will do the right thing.
RE: RE: It's about damn time the consensus finally arrived  
Tesla : 9/27/2020 8:37 pm : link
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It's no big deal that Fats has been 100% wrong in his defense of DG since the beginning. What is a big deal is how arrogant he is about it.....calling everyone critical of DG a fuckstain, idiot, moron, etc.

Fact is NOBODY has been more wrong about Giants management over the past few years than Fats. Nobody.

Of course we all know that he's gonna show up at some point denying that he ever actually supported DG......instead he was merely attacking idiots poster who didn't know what they were talking about.
RE: RE: RE: It's about damn time the consensus finally arrived  
.McL. : 9/27/2020 8:41 pm : link
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Sometimes I feel like linking a million archived threads. People (not just FMiC) can be pretty damn critical of other posters and then are never held accountable when they're wrong down the line.

Oh, but they weren't wrong... Just ask them!

The defamers will tell you that they never said anything other than there was a poster who was full of shit and the poster didn't know what they were talking about.

That's always their excuse.
Last year I made a post about Halapio  
.McL. : 9/27/2020 8:48 pm : link
I often re-watch games just to focus on players, Particularly the OL and DL since that is most of what you can see.

I had noticed that Halapio had a tendency to look one way and never look back and defenses were bringing stunts and delayed blitzes up through where he wasn't looking. Most centers have their heads on a swivel. Halapio doesn't. It was consistent, even in limited film. I got ripped to shreds for that analysis, that nobody else on this site had yet noticed (but it was clear that opposing DCs were well aware of it). Finally around mid-season, Sy comes out with an analysis of Halapio saying exactly the same thing. And, yet those who ripped me continued to defend their position by saying I had a shitty take and couldn't possibly understand what I was looking at. They will tell you that they never said anything about how good or bad Halapio was, just that I was being an asshole for analyzing him.
RE: RE: RE: It's about damn time the consensus finally arrived  
bw in dc : 9/27/2020 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14987341 Tesla said:
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It's no big deal that Fats has been 100% wrong in his defense of DG since the beginning. What is a big deal is how arrogant he is about it.....calling everyone critical of DG a fuckstain, idiot, moron, etc.

Fact is NOBODY has been more wrong about Giants management over the past few years than Fats. Nobody.

Of course we all know that he's gonna show up at some point denying that he ever actually supported DG......instead he was merely attacking idiots poster who didn't know what they were talking about.


I've asked FMiC in the past if he has met DG because he really sounds fond of him. He said he met him once - maybe in passing - while doing some work for them. But no more than that. Apparently.

I actually find it amusing the lengths FMiC goes to defend DG at this point. It's like watching James Carville when he would defend Bill Clinton... ;)

RE: RE: RE: RE: It's about damn time the consensus finally arrived  
.McL. : 9/27/2020 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14987396 bw in dc said:
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It's no big deal that Fats has been 100% wrong in his defense of DG since the beginning. What is a big deal is how arrogant he is about it.....calling everyone critical of DG a fuckstain, idiot, moron, etc.

Fact is NOBODY has been more wrong about Giants management over the past few years than Fats. Nobody.

Of course we all know that he's gonna show up at some point denying that he ever actually supported DG......instead he was merely attacking idiots poster who didn't know what they were talking about.



I've asked FMiC in the past if he has met DG because he really sounds fond of him. He said he met him once - maybe in passing - while doing some work for them. But no more than that. Apparently.

I actually find it amusing the lengths FMiC goes to defend DG at this point. It's like watching James Carville when he would defend Bill Clinton... ;)

FMiC defending DG is as dependable as death and taxes, and provides about the same amount of joy.

I think DG could shoot somebody on 5th Ave. and FMiC would be right there defending him
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.McL. : 9/27/2020 9:37 pm : link
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It's no big deal that Fats has been 100% wrong in his defense of DG since the beginning. What is a big deal is how arrogant he is about it.....calling everyone critical of DG a fuckstain, idiot, moron, etc.

Fact is NOBODY has been more wrong about Giants management over the past few years than Fats. Nobody.

Of course we all know that he's gonna show up at some point denying that he ever actually supported DG......instead he was merely attacking idiots poster who didn't know what they were talking about.

LOL, you beat me to that punch...
I'm sure  
mittenedman : 9/27/2020 9:47 pm : link
there's alot going on with Tisch and Gettleman/Mara. Remember the rumors from Tom Arnold about Saban wanting to come to the Giants. He had convinced Tisch but Mara wouldn't go for it. (Too much $$$.) Went with McAdoo instead. Who knows if any of the Little Bill rumors were true. Then we lose out on Rhule. Tisch was banging the drum to get a big name in here and we've gone the way we've gone. All due respect to Judge - 3 bargain bin hires in a row.

Good post GiantGrit above. This team smells eerily similar to all the others despite the coaching changes. Doesn't matter where you came from, what system you run. You get here, you do things the Giants Way.
RE: I'm sure  
bw in dc : 9/27/2020 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14987468 mittenedman said:
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Doesn't matter where you came from, what system you run. You get here, you do things the Giants Way.


Amen.
think about it this way  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2020 10:30 pm : link
What do the Giants do well? What is a strength? I can't really come up with any. The interior run defense is pretty good. Not elite, but pretty good. That's the closest thing I can think of to call a strength. The DEs and LBs are weak. The secondary outside of Bradberry is a nightmare. They generate very little pass rush. The OL remains a disaster. They have a fast TE who can't catch and a slow TE who can catch but scares no one. They have one receiver with speed and the league is figuring out that he is soft and can be jammed. And they have a QB who they burned the #6 overall pick on who turned the ball over at an alarming rate.

I can't believe Gettleman still has his job.
RE: think about it this way  
christian : 9/27/2020 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14987521 Greg from LI said:
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What do the Giants do well? What is a strength? I can't really come up with any. The interior run defense is pretty good. Not elite, but pretty good. That's the closest thing I can think of to call a strength. The DEs and LBs are weak. The secondary outside of Bradberry is a nightmare. They generate very little pass rush. The OL remains a disaster. They have a fast TE who can't catch and a slow TE who can catch but scares no one. They have one receiver with speed and the league is figuring out that he is soft and can be jammed. And they have a QB who they burned the #6 overall pick on who turned the ball over at an alarming rate.

I can't believe Gettleman still has his job.


Don’t worry, the rebuild doesn’t really start until next year. Mara commanded nothing be fixed this year in honor of Eli. It’s getting real next year, you’ll see.
RE: think about it this way  
GF1080 : 9/27/2020 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14987521 Greg from LI said:
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What do the Giants do well? What is a strength? I can't really come up with any. The interior run defense is pretty good. Not elite, but pretty good. That's the closest thing I can think of to call a strength. The DEs and LBs are weak. The secondary outside of Bradberry is a nightmare. They generate very little pass rush. The OL remains a disaster. They have a fast TE who can't catch and a slow TE who can catch but scares no one. They have one receiver with speed and the league is figuring out that he is soft and can be jammed. And they have a QB who they burned the #6 overall pick on who turned the ball over at an alarming rate.

I can't believe Gettleman still has his job.


The run defense is bottom 10.
I'm just talking about interior run defense  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2020 10:52 pm : link
Lawrence, Williams, and Tomlinson clog up the middle well enough. Since the edge players suck, outside run defense is terrible.
RE: I'm just talking about interior run defense  
GF1080 : 9/27/2020 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14987546 Greg from LI said:
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Lawrence, Williams, and Tomlinson clog up the middle well enough. Since the edge players suck, outside run defense is terrible.


I know you're trying to find one positive but I can't even do it. It's funny also because Logan Ryan is one of the best CB against the run and he can't even help. What a Shipshow.
RE: RE: I'm just talking about interior run defense  
BubbaMojo : 9/28/2020 8:57 am : link
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Lawrence, Williams, and Tomlinson clog up the middle well enough. Since the edge players suck, outside run defense is terrible.



I know you're trying to find one positive but I can't even do it. It's funny also because Logan Ryan is one of the best CB against the run and he can't even help. What a Shipshow.


Gettleman must be removed as soon as possible. Don’t want him affecting personnel decisions for next year’s team.
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