This team is so fucking devoid of talent...it is embarrassing. Getting our asses kicked by a team putting out backups.
Hire someone outside of the 'Giants family' who can give a clear & honest assessment of what is broken & how to fix it.
Sadly Mara can't be fired so we will have to settle for DG.
I am sick of watching this garbage year after year. It is becoming a waste of time.
Sean, true. Dolan is in his own league. But Mara & this organization has been a clown show for far too long.
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you are better than that SFGF. As much of a train wreck the Giants are, I’ve experienced two Super Bowl titles rooting for them.
Sean, true. Dolan is in his own league. But Mara & this organization has been a clown show for far too long.
At least Dolan was able to control 2 pro franchises and not have to sell half of one
Any time an organization in any field performs poorly for 10 years it really has to start up top. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors but its the same aura behind the team year in year out.
I'm a younger fan so i didn't live through the 70's but this is seriously rock bottom, there is no doubt they are the worst franchise in the NFL right now (Argument made for the Jets but WOW is that poor company)
Seems like the organization lacks accountability as a whole. Need to gut the rotten foundation. Steelers family run organization we are not.
Nothing short of hearing John Mara flat out admit "i am apart of the problem and i am getting out of the way" will make me have any confidence this gets sorted out.
Starting Nick Gates at center is a total joke. Joke. Absolutely no excuse for this organization to continuously ignore that position. They have no depth on offense - they don't get my sympathy for that. Barkley, Shep and Engram are always hurt you had to have backups behind them.
And i was a Gettleman apologist. I fully admit that. But no excuse for this team to still have such a lack of talent.
They are THAT clueless.
but what about COLOMBO!
Offensive line investment and return is a big negative (Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, etc.)
1st round pick ROI right now is a negative with the exception of Lawrence. One could say argue they needed Allen more than Jones.
The Leonard Williams fiasco.
Dare we say Francesa was right?
I say no, that would mean Abrams has a change to hang around collecting a paycheck, they need to fire everyone 4 years of half measures have screwed us
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save Mara firing him.
I say no, that would mean Abrams has a change to hang around collecting a paycheck, they need to fire everyone 4 years of half measures have screwed us
Your right, but sooner we Abrams installed the sooner he can flame out. Either way, we’re in the toilet for at least another 5 years.
He should never have been hired, and he absolutely should have been fired last off-season.
3rd year int he league and this roster is the biggest mess in the entire sport.
Mook, your opinion is valued but who the fuck cares what the BBI opinion is if Gettleman. You’re right, though. Get him out of here.
He's the jackass who recommended and basically hired Gettleman.
One of the THE WORST decisions in franchise history.
All the hate toward DG is misplaced, in my opinion. Mara is an imbecile. DG was his guy, but so was Reese. He insists on a voice in football decisions that he is woefully incapable of making. We had more than a decade of horrible football until his idiot father got out of the way. And this won't be fixed until John gets out of the way.
There lies the problem.. This organization needs to stop hiring their brothers, sisters, cousins, Best Friends, etc.. Stop this bullshit and hire some outside quality already!
Flying a plane over an empty stadium would be peak Giants.
Im in, i guess....
Time to wear a bag on my head
The number 6 pick was squandered. That was DG's call. He could have had Tua this season.
That alone is a firing offense.
The number 6 pick was squandered. That was DG's call. He could have had Tua this season.
That alone is a firing offense.
Tua had that hip issue of his.
There are ebbs and flows between the power our HC has vs GM. TC had most the power after Accorsi retired, then after some poor Draft classes and questionable on the field decisions they gave Reese more and more power starting in 2013. Reese and Ross, at complete odds with the team philosphy TC wanted to employ, drafted poorly and bad fits schematically. That era went out with a whimper because you had a HC and GM clearly not on same page.
We then gave DG a ton of power to come in and clean up. They thought they could make this team competitive in 2017, shit became clear fast this team was broken. In 2018 the real rebuild began with some good moves and poor moves by DG, two bad HC hires which brought us to this past offseason. We'll probably never know what their true stance was on Rhule but they clearly wanted to bring in a program builder and give him reigns. Judge blew them away in the interview process (and its easy to see how) and its not his show. It's hard for us as fans to grasp this because we've sucked for so long but this is year 1 in a rebuild. However because DG has at least gave us a lot of room moving forward (and hopefully go the QB right) that if we dont' see the playoffs next year it will be extremely concering and we can be looking at another 5 year mistake.
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Sometimes I feel like linking a million archived threads. People (not just FMiC) can be pretty damn critical of other posters and then are never held accountable when they're wrong down the line.
Now there's been some losing between now and than,what makes you think he hasn't had something to say.
Gettleman sticking around provides comic relief on BBI.
Reading the posts of DG’s defenders regarding his moves/decisions is pure gold. They will always be tied to his legacy here.
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Sometimes I feel like linking a million archived threads. People (not just FMiC) can be pretty damn critical of other posters and then are never held accountable when they're wrong down the line.
A number of individuals here fancy themselves the smart football guy in their friend group, the one who calls out various things during the weekend game watch and the others nod and say "oh damn you're right I didn't notice that, wow." . Identity is tied it. Being wrong threatens that.
Typically, over the long run, siding with professionals will mean you're more correct than incorrect: they're professional after all, we're lay people. It's typically a good way to ensure you're correct!
But in the past 8 years, siding with the Giants coaching and management, in it's various iterations, has been a loser's gamble. We have been one of the worst franchises in football from the April 2012 draft until today.
No reason to assume our team will do the right thing.
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It's no big deal that Fats has been 100% wrong in his defense of DG since the beginning. What is a big deal is how arrogant he is about it.....calling everyone critical of DG a fuckstain, idiot, moron, etc.
Fact is NOBODY has been more wrong about Giants management over the past few years than Fats. Nobody.
Of course we all know that he's gonna show up at some point denying that he ever actually supported DG......instead he was merely attacking idiots poster who didn't know what they were talking about.
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Sometimes I feel like linking a million archived threads. People (not just FMiC) can be pretty damn critical of other posters and then are never held accountable when they're wrong down the line.
Oh, but they weren't wrong... Just ask them!
The defamers will tell you that they never said anything other than there was a poster who was full of shit and the poster didn't know what they were talking about.
That's always their excuse.
I had noticed that Halapio had a tendency to look one way and never look back and defenses were bringing stunts and delayed blitzes up through where he wasn't looking. Most centers have their heads on a swivel. Halapio doesn't. It was consistent, even in limited film. I got ripped to shreds for that analysis, that nobody else on this site had yet noticed (but it was clear that opposing DCs were well aware of it). Finally around mid-season, Sy comes out with an analysis of Halapio saying exactly the same thing. And, yet those who ripped me continued to defend their position by saying I had a shitty take and couldn't possibly understand what I was looking at. They will tell you that they never said anything about how good or bad Halapio was, just that I was being an asshole for analyzing him.
It's no big deal that Fats has been 100% wrong in his defense of DG since the beginning. What is a big deal is how arrogant he is about it.....calling everyone critical of DG a fuckstain, idiot, moron, etc.
Fact is NOBODY has been more wrong about Giants management over the past few years than Fats. Nobody.
Of course we all know that he's gonna show up at some point denying that he ever actually supported DG......instead he was merely attacking idiots poster who didn't know what they were talking about.
I've asked FMiC in the past if he has met DG because he really sounds fond of him. He said he met him once - maybe in passing - while doing some work for them. But no more than that. Apparently.
I actually find it amusing the lengths FMiC goes to defend DG at this point. It's like watching James Carville when he would defend Bill Clinton... ;)
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It's no big deal that Fats has been 100% wrong in his defense of DG since the beginning. What is a big deal is how arrogant he is about it.....calling everyone critical of DG a fuckstain, idiot, moron, etc.
Fact is NOBODY has been more wrong about Giants management over the past few years than Fats. Nobody.
Of course we all know that he's gonna show up at some point denying that he ever actually supported DG......instead he was merely attacking idiots poster who didn't know what they were talking about.
I've asked FMiC in the past if he has met DG because he really sounds fond of him. He said he met him once - maybe in passing - while doing some work for them. But no more than that. Apparently.
I actually find it amusing the lengths FMiC goes to defend DG at this point. It's like watching James Carville when he would defend Bill Clinton... ;)
FMiC defending DG is as dependable as death and taxes, and provides about the same amount of joy.
I think DG could shoot somebody on 5th Ave. and FMiC would be right there defending him
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It's no big deal that Fats has been 100% wrong in his defense of DG since the beginning. What is a big deal is how arrogant he is about it.....calling everyone critical of DG a fuckstain, idiot, moron, etc.
Fact is NOBODY has been more wrong about Giants management over the past few years than Fats. Nobody.
Of course we all know that he's gonna show up at some point denying that he ever actually supported DG......instead he was merely attacking idiots poster who didn't know what they were talking about.
LOL, you beat me to that punch...
Good post GiantGrit above. This team smells eerily similar to all the others despite the coaching changes. Doesn't matter where you came from, what system you run. You get here, you do things the Giants Way.
Amen.
I can't believe Gettleman still has his job.
I can't believe Gettleman still has his job.
Don’t worry, the rebuild doesn’t really start until next year. Mara commanded nothing be fixed this year in honor of Eli. It’s getting real next year, you’ll see.
I can't believe Gettleman still has his job.
The run defense is bottom 10.
I know you're trying to find one positive but I can't even do it. It's funny also because Logan Ryan is one of the best CB against the run and he can't even help. What a Shipshow.
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I know you're trying to find one positive but I can't even do it. It's funny also because Logan Ryan is one of the best CB against the run and he can't even help. What a Shipshow.
Gettleman must be removed as soon as possible. Don’t want him affecting personnel decisions for next year’s team.