I had no great expectations for this season, but the Giants are far, far worse than I expected. We could be staring down the barrell at 2-14. I just can't beleive I've giving up before September is even over. What a disaster.
I had no great expectations for this season, but the Giants are far, far worse than I expected. We could be staring down the barrell at 2-14. I just can't beleive I've giving up before September is even over. What a disaster.
I know it's only 15 games, but Jones isn't the answer in my opinion. If we go 2-14 or worse and somehow secure the #1 pick, it has to be Trevor Lawrence.
be smart enough to draft Lawrence or too stubborn?
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Nope. And this is why missing on a QB sets your franchise back. They will not draft another QB. They will say "covid-19, no preseason, new coach, new offense. Let's give him one more year". This franchise loves Daniel Jones. They will back him until its one year too late, like every other decision they make has been one year too late.
about how good of a hire the head coach is. Right now, the team looks like dogshit and looks WORSE than they did last year. So much for the o-line coach hire changing anything. The QB is lost and Garrett refuses to move the pocket or throw screens to slow the pass rush. They hired a DC who was fired last year by a bad team and the D is now good in first down, bad on second down, and Division 1-AA on third down.
Fuck all of this shit. I’m tired of watching this nonsense.
His team was not even competitive this week. How does he handle them this week?
You think Garrett misses the offensive talent on his previous team? This squad lacks talent on both sides of the ball. We are going to learn a lot about Daniel Jones this year.
I didn't think we'd be a great team this year, but today was embarrassing. I want to have faith that Jones will be a good QB for us, but ... Just everything about the team feels wrong.
be smart enough to draft Lawrence or too stubborn?
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Nope. And this is why missing on a QB sets your franchise back. They will not draft another QB. They will say "covid-19, no preseason, new coach, new offense. Let's give him one more year". This franchise loves Daniel Jones. They will back him until its one year too late, like every other decision they make has been one year too late.
be smart enough to draft Lawrence or too stubborn?
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Nope. And this is why missing on a QB sets your franchise back. They will not draft another QB. They will say "covid-19, no preseason, new coach, new offense. Let's give him one more year". This franchise loves Daniel Jones. They will back him until its one year too late, like every other decision they make has been one year too late.
I can absolutely see this happening.
As I said, rhetorical.
Where's Ray from Arlington? Time to get to work buddy.
They brought in Lynch and Shanahan, we brought in Dinosaur Dave and Pat Shurmur. Just awful.
Lynch did an outstanding job acquiring multiple picks. He made a few mistakes, as any Gettleman defender will more than eagerly point out, but unlike us, they weren't as hamstrung by them because they gave themselves so many opportunities.
Well, the Rams will be motivated next week, so that's
This team has gotten worse each week. Different coaching staffs, different personnel, same horrific results for years now.
I don't want to hear about injuries because look at the team we just played. For more than a couple of years, we still have absolutely no depth anywhere on this roster.
I am starting to get on board with firing Gettleman. I am starting to get on board with blowing things up. If we end up with the first pick, which at this point seems very possible, I am very open to taking Lawrence and moving on from Jones.
First big test for the new Head Coach coming up this week. Team seemed like it was going through the motions. No positives from today. Everything about the team took a big step back.
Jones looks rattled to me. I was for the Garrett hire but I have some doubts creeping in. If Peart and Lemieux know the assignments they have to think about getting them on the field. I think Judge needs to shake things up a little bit.
be smart enough to draft Lawrence or too stubborn?
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
If they’re so bad that they’re in position to take him that would mean this was a disaster and Jones has lost at a historically bad rate so I think taking Lawrence is a no brainer.
I still look at how much draft capital we have invested in our Dline and just shake my head. Not a single one is a difference maker and they are not a top tiered group collectively. And we have talent deficiencies every where else. What a underwhelming team 🤦🏾♂️
RE: Any mediocre pending free agents available via trade?
First big test for the new Head Coach coming up this week. Team seemed like it was going through the motions. No positives from today. Everything about the team took a big step back.
Jones looks rattled to me. I was for the Garrett hire but I have some doubts creeping in. If Peart and Lemieux know the assignments they have to think about getting them on the field. I think Judge needs to shake things up a little bit.
It would be more than shaking things up. They would be replacing guys who suck and deserve to be replaced.
At this point, we should just root for the opponents of Cowboys and
about how good of a hire the head coach is. Right now, the team looks like dogshit and looks WORSE than they did last year. So much for the o-line coach hire changing anything. The QB is lost and Garrett refuses to move the pocket or throw screens to slow the pass rush. They hired a DC who was fired last year by a bad team and the D is now good in first down, bad on second down, and Division 1-AA on third down.
Fuck all of this shit. I’m tired of watching this nonsense.
I think there is a good chance Joe Judge is a good bird.
Was talking about how the 49ers took advantage of Love's hesitancy. He said that Love was overly cautious not wanting to give up the big play. And, that was one of big issues on defense.
I liked the hire as soon as we got to hear and see him. I liked the staff he hired. But, I am not ready to say we are definitely in good hands right now. This is a tough year to gauge him due to no pre-season, no real camp, a terrible roster, and now Barkley out.
That said, we really need to see some improvement and some legitimate positives, not empty moral victories.
For a reason that I do not understand, Judge/Garrett refuse to play
a blocking FB, knowing full well that the offensive line, by itself, cannot open holes for a running back. Just plain stupidity. If the running game were even moderately effective, the passing game would be more successful.
RE: For a reason that I do not understand, Judge/Garrett refuse to play
a blocking FB, knowing full well that the offensive line, by itself, cannot open holes for a running back. Just plain stupidity. If the running game were even moderately effective, the passing game would be more successful.
We literally gave up running the ball in the second quarter. These coaches did everything they could to not put the team in a position to win.
seemed to think interior 3 of OL is the biggest issue on offense.
100%. I’ve always marveled at the Patriots’ interior o-lines and their ability to keep from getting pushed back on the QB’s feet. It allows the QB to step up when the tackles get beaten. The Giants interior linemen get walked back in pass protection, can’t pick up stunts, never get across a defender when they run, and a million other issues. On the rare plays they get anything done, Jones either completes a pass or sees ghosts.
Commented that defense was expecting motion and a lot of things 49ers do on offense. But, players seemed to fall for the "eye candy" making them not trust their keys.
be smart enough to draft Lawrence or too stubborn?
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Dire as we are, I bet you anything we won’t end up with the #1 draft pick next year, just as we blew the chance to get the #2 pick and Chase Young this year.
There are some really lousy teams out there and the Jets have a tougher schedule.
Commented that defense was expecting motion and a lot of things 49ers do on offense. But, players seemed to fall for the "eye candy" making them not trust their keys.
Chicken v egg - right?
The 9ers offense had a 2:1 advantage in TOP. The O couldn't move the ball and the D couldn't stop them.
To me, the O has to get more first downs (only 13) and give the D a breather.
be smart enough to draft Lawrence or too stubborn?
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Dire as we are, I bet you anything we won’t end up with the #1 draft pick next year, just as we blew the chance to get the #2 pick and Chase Young this year.
There are some really lousy teams out there and the Jets have a tougher schedule.
I have no problem with drafting Thomas this year. He is an important as any other player.
Stinks from top top bottom, and Daniel Jones sucks, he is horrible, and no way do you build around him, no way, imagine paying this piece of shit. This is with a QB they are not paying, this is beyond disgraceful, and we are the worst organization in football, no question. What they have done is a disgrace, anyone want to poke fun at Francesa and tell us how bitter he is. I hope they do go 0-16, its the only way this garbage ownership will have any hope of bringing in someone to build this organization, because they are too involved in decisions, that is obvious because this entire thing stinks, and its on the ownership. Hiring Gettleman, another in house do it the Giant way hiring, the same old stale shit.
aren't even competitive. As someone said, we're averaging 13 points a game. A first down for this team is like a TD.
I do agree that we need to think about Lemieux and Peart. I'm not sure what to do about Gates. He's never played center before at any level. But the idea that he and Pulley were the only options is on DG. Maybe we should bring back Halapio.
a blocking FB, knowing full well that the offensive line, by itself, cannot open holes for a running back. Just plain stupidity. If the running game were even moderately effective, the passing game would be more successful.
We literally gave up running the ball in the second quarter. These coaches did everything they could to not put the team in a position to win.
I didn’t like anything they did coaching wise on either side of the ball. If they had a plan I don’t have a clue what they were trying to do.
Was talking about how the 49ers took advantage of Love's hesitancy. He said that Love was overly cautious not wanting to give up the big play. And, that was one of big issues on defense.
Well that's going to be tough with him on NFL level and why he dropped. If you rarely play up on in your guy in college playing corner, it's a big warning sign. Not sure if he has athletic ability to cover on this level and he hasn't shown a penchant to cover Tight Ends and his run support is at best average for a safety. And this coming from someone that thought he was one of the true value picks of the draft and moving him to safety.
RE: RE: San fran time of possession 39.14 vs 20.16
That’s an amazing stat. Ginats offense should be fresh next week because they barely played today
Same nonsense thats been going on since 2013. If you looked up 15 games in that time frame I'd bet the giants lost time of possession in 13 of them
TOP is a stat that is heavily swayed on how well your team is playing, it doesn't really say anything in of itself. Similar to run pass split. This team couldn't get off the field on long yardsage 2nd and 3rd downs. Points to major problems in pash rush and/or coverage. Combine that with a fact that this team can't run the ball keeping clock moving as well as moving chains, well you get that.
Can we finally put the blame where it needs to be? Gettleman has had 3 years to build this team back up, should be enough time to have more talent than this.
The 49ers had backups in all over the field and they dominated us, even more than they did the Jets last week. They had open players running all over the field, they dominated us in the trenches. It is sickening already.
It is an embarrassment and we all deserve better than this.
Gettleman should be shown the door tomorrow. It is not even a debate anymore.
We can’t run at all, so play action is moot, so Ds pin their ears back, so we don’t have much time and we can’t get open so QB starts forcing it leading to TOs putting D in worse position.
We add insult to that with the D that can’t rush the passer or force TOs so we can’t cover long enough so we can’t get off the field so we wear down against the run leading to more points putting the O in position to press harder leading to turnovers.
On STs we run back kicks short of the 25 and commit penalties putting us in worse position for an O struggling and pressing to amplify mistakes.
The 3 phases insult the game of football and fans seamlessly, each screwing the other...
Really, I don't want to see a Judge's corner this week
I don't want him to show us how the 3 good plays of the game worked. If he can't show why all the other plays sucked then I'm not interested.
What good play is he going to highlight on offense? One of the Jones designed runs? Desperation plays? I don’t know. Will be difficult to find anything positive.
RE: RE: Really, I don't want to see a Judge's corner this week
I don't want him to show us how the 3 good plays of the game worked. If he can't show why all the other plays sucked then I'm not interested.
What good play is he going to highlight on offense? One of the Jones designed runs? Desperation plays? I don’t know. Will be difficult to find anything positive.
Maybe Gano's 52 yd FG? He could focus on the blocking.
If I was a reporter I'd have one statement for Judge
I picked them to win big in the pregame thread. Shanahan has a well-coached team and they've done an excellent job getting system players.
They felt so comfortable with their roster they added DT Javon Kinlaw in the 1st round to an already stacked DLine. The Giants used to stack DLinemen like that. When you do that - a Nick Bosa and Soloman Thomas go down and you just keep trucking.
We weren't going to stop that offense. Mullens has been playing in that system long enough to do damage. And as we're seeing play out - the Giants have the worst Edge defenders in the NFL. As Shanahan told the commentators before the game - they were going to attack the Giants edges.
Welp, hopefully I won't continue to be called miserable for pointing out the obvious here...
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
If ‘we weren’t going to stop THAT offense’ then....
We suck. The Jets suck. We could combine both teams and it would still be the worst roster in the NFL. It’s going to take years of good moves to crawl out of this mess.
The NYG & the NYJ are the New York Knicks of the NFL.
Maybe 2 wins combined for the NY teams.
RE: RE: RE: San fran time of possession 39.14 vs 20.16
That’s an amazing stat. Ginats offense should be fresh next week because they barely played today
Same nonsense thats been going on since 2013. If you looked up 15 games in that time frame I'd bet the giants lost time of possession in 13 of them
TOP is a stat that is heavily swayed on how well your team is playing, it doesn't really say anything in of itself. Similar to run pass split. This team couldn't get off the field on long yardsage 2nd and 3rd downs. Points to major problems in pash rush and/or coverage. Combine that with a fact that this team can't run the ball keeping clock moving as well as moving chains, well you get that.
Now we know how long it takes to walk on the field, run 4 plays and walk off 7 times.
Welp, hopefully I won't continue to be called miserable for pointing out the obvious here...
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
Even if Lawrence is not the qb, you can certainly see them going all in for a qb in 2022 draft. Near 100% certainly that the GM and Head Coach who drafted Jones will no longer be with the franchise. It’s also like most of the scouts will be gone as well.
AS I have said before, until we build a legit OL, we will go nowhere. Beyond that, Washington isn't the only team that needs to change its name. We have not been Giants for a very long time. I'd advise dropping the first two letters.
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AS I have said before, until we build a legit OL, we will go nowhere. Beyond that, Washington isn't the only team that needs to change its name. We have not been Giants for a very long time. I'd advise dropping the first two letters.
Welp, hopefully I won't continue to be called miserable for pointing out the obvious here...
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I’m not ready to give up on Jones just yet. I’m old enough to remember that people were ready to give Eli the heave ho after his first few years. And he had a much, much better team top to bottom
RE: If ‘we weren’t going to stop THAT offense’ then....
If I were DG I would definitely be thinking about retirement. DJ was his get of jail free card. The turnovers are a real problem. If the QB isn't the guy...
I wasn't following the game day thread today so...
...I apologize if this is redundant but the 3rd & 22 play where Darnay Holmes got called for holding. I know I am stating the obvious but as a fan, that was such a killer. This doesn't excuse the rest of the game nor hide the fact that this team still has a way to go.
This is the first time I am concerned about Daniel Jones, however. I am still not sure if the quickest way to success is "tearing it down" if we get the first pick and "rebooting" the rebuild with Trevor Lawrence, or if this is one of those games a young QB, like Jones, typically goes through and we need to be (even more) patient. I don't know gentlemen, my post isn't adding any value, I am just venting.
Tells you everything you need to know about ownership's commitment to winning. When he goes, I'll think about coming back as a fan. Because after this game, I just don't care anymore. For the first time in my life, I watched a game not caring. I'm through.
Yes DJ had a bad game. It was the first game I truly was like is he for sure the guy? When I have been pretty impressed with his game so far in his career (minus some bad turnovers) which many young qb's go through.
But being fair to him. We have a below avg off line (suck at run blocking and below avg pass blocking). He leads the NFL in pressure for a QB.
Our weapons are completely overrated. If they aren't hurt then they are simply under performing. No defense respects our rushing attack and we are one dimensional. That is a lot to put on a QB.
Throw in a defense that can't get off the field or force turnovers its just a sh*tty situation for a young QB.
This is on DG, not Daniel Jones. The roster blows and he has had plenty of time, $$$, and draft choices to make this team competitive.
JoeyBigBlue - my apologies for the last post here.
Is not a difference maker. He’s a middle tier qb. Picking him 6 was absolutely a mistake. Hope we are in a position to move on and have ownership realize the mistake and willing to move on.
RE: Really, I don't want to see a Judge's corner this week
I don't want him to show us how the 3 good plays of the game worked. If he can't show why all the other plays sucked then I'm not interested.
How about this: “The long snapper snaps it, now watch this, the holder catches it.. holds it and turns it.. you see how the laces are out? That’s what you want here, and the kicker plants and kicks, plants and kicks, let’s see that on the all-22, plants and kicks, and 3 points.”
Stinks from top top bottom, and Daniel Jones sucks, he is horrible, and no way do you build around him, no way, imagine paying this piece of shit. This is with a QB they are not paying, this is beyond disgraceful, and we are the worst organization in football, no question. What they have done is a disgrace, anyone want to poke fun at Francesa and tell us how bitter he is. I hope they do go 0-16, its the only way this garbage ownership will have any hope of bringing in someone to build this organization, because they are too involved in decisions, that is obvious because this entire thing stinks, and its on the ownership. Hiring Gettleman, another in house do it the Giant way hiring, the same old stale shit.
Sober up pal...DJ is not the issue...the little to no talent around him may be a a bigger issue
Welp, hopefully I won't continue to be called miserable for pointing out the obvious here...
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I’m not ready to give up on Jones just yet. I’m old enough to remember that people were ready to give Eli the heave ho after his first few years. And he had a much, much better team top to bottom
I hear you - I definitely have not given up on Jones, I've said a few times that when it comes to the problems with this franchise, he's really not very high on the list. Or at least I don't think he should be.
But I am wondering how coachable he is/isn't. I certainly expect him to get better than he is now - he hasn't even started 16 games yet, but there are some mechanical things he's doing and mistakes he's making that might just plague him. If he can't curtail the turnovers, he's going to have a hard time ever taking the next step. Just cannot give the football away as often as he does.
Beyond that, I just think Lawrence is too good a prospect to pass up if we should be so fortunate to be in a position to draft him. I think you just have to take the guy and figure out what you'll do with Jones later.
If not, I'm okay moving forward with Jones, but Gettleman's gotta go and I'm not sure his replacement is going to want to continue along in that direction. Then again, if it's Abrams, that's exactly what we'll do and on we'll go...
It was a true old fashioned beat down but it’s also what we expected from week one. This is the first offense we’ve seen that played not to their ability but by excellent preparedness. They ran the ball, passed the ball, even ran the same play multiple times because it was working. On defense very simple game plan stop the run attack the QB, don’t allow separation from any skill possible skill players.
I’m a bit shocked at how easily they totally dissected the entire team and yes it’s a bunch of back ups just like our guys. Now here comes the real coaching go back to the film room look at how those guys performed during the entire game see if there is anything you might be able to do don’t watch your film nothing to learn from that. DJ needs some real weapons or he’s going to become very frustrated player asking himself where are my skill players? Best plays we ran all day him running the ball is that the future for him and this team.
this was abysmal. I actually had hope early. The defense was stout for a bit. They overcame that Engram/Jones fumble and held them to 3. We battled back and made it 6-6. Then that damn holding call happened. We go from likely getting the ball back and attempting to take the lead before half to being down 2 scores. I don't know what the hell happened to the defense in the 2nd half, but it was unbelievable.
DJ is showing me improvement and some of his regression
in some areas is trying to fix the issues he had. He has a new hesitancy in his delivery because he is clearly trying to dial it down and not forcing as many balls into tight coverage. He's noticeably stronger with the ball at all times and his only real fumble came on double clutching.
Welp, hopefully I won't continue to be called miserable for pointing out the obvious here...
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I’m not ready to give up on Jones just yet. I’m old enough to remember that people were ready to give Eli the heave ho after his first few years. And he had a much, much better team top to bottom
I hear you - I definitely have not given up on Jones, I've said a few times that when it comes to the problems with this franchise, he's really not very high on the list. Or at least I don't think he should be.
But I am wondering how coachable he is/isn't. I certainly expect him to get better than he is now - he hasn't even started 16 games yet, but there are some mechanical things he's doing and mistakes he's making that might just plague him. If he can't curtail the turnovers, he's going to have a hard time ever taking the next step. Just cannot give the football away as often as he does.
Beyond that, I just think Lawrence is too good a prospect to pass up if we should be so fortunate to be in a position to draft him. I think you just have to take the guy and figure out what you'll do with Jones later.
If not, I'm okay moving forward with Jones, but Gettleman's gotta go and I'm not sure his replacement is going to want to continue along in that direction. Then again, if it's Abrams, that's exactly what we'll do and on we'll go...
So, let's hope that's not the solution here.
Just a really crappy place to be in right now.
Agreed arc... You don't pass on Lawrence. Certainly not for Jones.
Same old Giants. No improvement at all. Not even competitive. They stink from top to bottom. Two biggest problems are inability to run the ball and getfing off the field on third downs. Pass rush is spotty and young DBs look like Keystone Kops. Middle of the OL getting pushed back constantly.
Will be another long year and very high pick in April.
Guy threw for 343 with a back-up TE, back-up RB, and a slew of #2 (at best) WRs. No INTs and completing 70% of his passes.
Just unbelievable...
Me too. Scary that Mullens outplayed Jones by a very large margin. However, the Niner OL is something to envy. McGinley and Willams as tackles are no joke.
Judge needs to send a message to the team and now. I think the first thing he needs to do is change out the middle of the OL. They can hardly pick up a yard with the group they have in there now. It’s embarrassing. If he can fix that so they can get 3-4 yds per carry, other problems will correct themselves.
Gates is not a natural center. Move him to RG and sit Zeitler. He looks old and slow. Then sit Hernandez and replace him with Lemieux. Hernandez is Jon Halapio II. Strong as hell, slow as hell. Not athletic. Gets beat by his man constantly. Then put Pulley at center. Okay so he’s not likely to be a Pro Bowler but he knows the position.
If they can get a better push from the middle and run the ball with some consistency, the passing game should improve (Jones rarely has a clean pocket), the offense will be able to sustain drives and stay out longer and the defense will be fresher when they are out there.
Jimmy G is a very accurate passer. Last year, he completed more passes in tight coverage than any QB in the NFL. The 49ers wide receivers don't get much separation.
You have found the root cause of the problem. However he will not go
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and his top assistant is his nephew
2-14?! You wish.
Sarcasm off.
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
If they can draft him they have to
But they’ll fuck it up somehow too. They’ll win too many games
BUH DEH DIDNT HAVE REECE AND ROSSSS!!1!1
It helps they already had a bunch of high first round picks already, but yes.
Shanahan versus a rookie DC with an under-talented team. results unsurprising.
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Nope. And this is why missing on a QB sets your franchise back. They will not draft another QB. They will say "covid-19, no preseason, new coach, new offense. Let's give him one more year". This franchise loves Daniel Jones. They will back him until its one year too late, like every other decision they make has been one year too late.
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be smart enough to draft Lawrence or too stubborn?
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
If they can draft him they have to
But they’ll fuck it up somehow too. They’ll win too many games
How?
Fuck all of this shit. I’m tired of watching this nonsense.
And 45 other guys that have some sort of football talent.
Add in lack of talent and here we are.
You think Garrett misses the offensive talent on his previous team? This squad lacks talent on both sides of the ball. We are going to learn a lot about Daniel Jones this year.
The only guys I think who aren't under evaluation to lose their positions are Thomas, Bradberry, and Martinez. Everyone else doesn't deserve to play.
We stink
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be smart enough to draft Lawrence or too stubborn?
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Nope. And this is why missing on a QB sets your franchise back. They will not draft another QB. They will say "covid-19, no preseason, new coach, new offense. Let's give him one more year". This franchise loves Daniel Jones. They will back him until its one year too late, like every other decision they make has been one year too late.
I can absolutely see this happening.
Dexter Lawrence is the best player on the team right now. We can't move the ball at all. We also can't cover slants, or generate any edge pressure.
LOL!!!
I was waiting for the guy that was controlling the canned crowd noise to start hitting his "boo" button.
Guy threw for 343 with a back-up TE, back-up RB, and a slew of #2 (at best) WRs. No INTs and completing 70% of his passes.
Just unbelievable...
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be smart enough to draft Lawrence or too stubborn?
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Nope. And this is why missing on a QB sets your franchise back. They will not draft another QB. They will say "covid-19, no preseason, new coach, new offense. Let's give him one more year". This franchise loves Daniel Jones. They will back him until its one year too late, like every other decision they make has been one year too late.
I can absolutely see this happening.
As I said, rhetorical.
Where's Ray from Arlington? Time to get to work buddy.
I really wish they had more of an incrementalist approach to the rebuild.
Lynch did an outstanding job acquiring multiple picks. He made a few mistakes, as any Gettleman defender will more than eagerly point out, but unlike us, they weren't as hamstrung by them because they gave themselves so many opportunities.
I don't want to hear about injuries because look at the team we just played. For more than a couple of years, we still have absolutely no depth anywhere on this roster.
I am starting to get on board with firing Gettleman. I am starting to get on board with blowing things up. If we end up with the first pick, which at this point seems very possible, I am very open to taking Lawrence and moving on from Jones.
Fuck this team.
Having said that, the lack of talent on this team is exasperating. That's all about repeated bad drafts....like a decade's worth.
Jones looks rattled to me. I was for the Garrett hire but I have some doubts creeping in. If Peart and Lemieux know the assignments they have to think about getting them on the field. I think Judge needs to shake things up a little bit.
That sure as shit did not happen today.
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
If they’re so bad that they’re in position to take him that would mean this was a disaster and Jones has lost at a historically bad rate so I think taking Lawrence is a no brainer.
I still look at how much draft capital we have invested in our Dline and just shake my head. Not a single one is a difference maker and they are not a top tiered group collectively. And we have talent deficiencies every where else. What a underwhelming team 🤦🏾♂️
I would be looking to get rid of Williams in a trade to a team that has a chance to win as soon as possible. That is if there are any takers.
Jones looks rattled to me. I was for the Garrett hire but I have some doubts creeping in. If Peart and Lemieux know the assignments they have to think about getting them on the field. I think Judge needs to shake things up a little bit.
Let's go Seattle!!
Fuck all of this shit. I’m tired of watching this nonsense.
I think there is a good chance Joe Judge is a good bird.
LOL. Thought the same thing. Yeah Julian Love was the reason we got blown out.
That said, we really need to see some improvement and some legitimate positives, not empty moral victories.
We literally gave up running the ball in the second quarter. These coaches did everything they could to not put the team in a position to win.
The problems with this team stem from bad decisions by the front office in hires and personnel decisions.
They have been the worst team in the league for a while now.
Expecting a new coaching staff to turn this around quickly, especially considering a covid impacted off -season is kind of silly, no?
They played a championship quality team today, and the chasm between these two teams was evident for all to see.
Giants fans impatience doesn’t make that fact untrue.
I wish we had lanes to run.
I wish we can stop drives.
I wish we can get to QB.
I wish we can start games better, end 2nd QTer better, start 2nd half better....end the game better.
Back-up QB, back-up RB, back-up TE, and a slew of #2/#3 receivers...and no punts.
Astonishing.
Exactly. Its a fait accompli.
With Mara it's all about loyalty and familiarity. And a commitment to the "Giants Way".
100%. I’ve always marveled at the Patriots’ interior o-lines and their ability to keep from getting pushed back on the QB’s feet. It allows the QB to step up when the tackles get beaten. The Giants interior linemen get walked back in pass protection, can’t pick up stunts, never get across a defender when they run, and a million other issues. On the rare plays they get anything done, Jones either completes a pass or sees ghosts.
Whose fault is that? Go watch Biadasz for Dallas right now. Gates has no business starting Center for anyone.
That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Dire as we are, I bet you anything we won’t end up with the #1 draft pick next year, just as we blew the chance to get the #2 pick and Chase Young this year.
There are some really lousy teams out there and the Jets have a tougher schedule.
The problems with this team stem from bad decisions by the front office in hires and personnel decisions.
They have been the worst team in the league for a while now.
Expecting a new coaching staff to turn this around quickly, especially considering a covid impacted off -season is kind of silly, no?
They played a championship quality team today, and the chasm between these two teams was evident for all to see.
Giants fans impatience doesn’t make that fact untrue.
They lost by 30 at home vs 2nd and 3rd stringers. The coach and his staff need to own that as much as the players.
Chicken v egg - right?
The 9ers offense had a 2:1 advantage in TOP. The O couldn't move the ball and the D couldn't stop them.
To me, the O has to get more first downs (only 13) and give the D a breather.
The entire D checked out mentally in the second half. No excuse for that.
Sophmore qb not helping the d with his turn overs and putting the d in bad positions.
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That's pretty much a rhetorical question btw.
Dire as we are, I bet you anything we won’t end up with the #1 draft pick next year, just as we blew the chance to get the #2 pick and Chase Young this year.
There are some really lousy teams out there and the Jets have a tougher schedule.
I have no problem with drafting Thomas this year. He is an important as any other player.
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Fans blame sophomore QB.
Sophmore qb not helping the d with his turn overs and putting the d in bad positions.
Sophomore QB picked at number 6. He should at least be helping.
I do agree that we need to think about Lemieux and Peart. I'm not sure what to do about Gates. He's never played center before at any level. But the idea that he and Pulley were the only options is on DG. Maybe we should bring back Halapio.
Gano! He's our player of the year so far.
Same nonsense thats been going on since 2013. If you looked up 15 games in that time frame I'd bet the giants lost time of possession in 13 of them
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a blocking FB, knowing full well that the offensive line, by itself, cannot open holes for a running back. Just plain stupidity. If the running game were even moderately effective, the passing game would be more successful.
We literally gave up running the ball in the second quarter. These coaches did everything they could to not put the team in a position to win.
I didn’t like anything they did coaching wise on either side of the ball. If they had a plan I don’t have a clue what they were trying to do.
Well that's going to be tough with him on NFL level and why he dropped. If you rarely play up on in your guy in college playing corner, it's a big warning sign. Not sure if he has athletic ability to cover on this level and he hasn't shown a penchant to cover Tight Ends and his run support is at best average for a safety. And this coming from someone that thought he was one of the true value picks of the draft and moving him to safety.
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That’s an amazing stat. Ginats offense should be fresh next week because they barely played today
Same nonsense thats been going on since 2013. If you looked up 15 games in that time frame I'd bet the giants lost time of possession in 13 of them
TOP is a stat that is heavily swayed on how well your team is playing, it doesn't really say anything in of itself. Similar to run pass split. This team couldn't get off the field on long yardsage 2nd and 3rd downs. Points to major problems in pash rush and/or coverage. Combine that with a fact that this team can't run the ball keeping clock moving as well as moving chains, well you get that.
The 49ers had backups in all over the field and they dominated us, even more than they did the Jets last week. They had open players running all over the field, they dominated us in the trenches. It is sickening already.
It is an embarrassment and we all deserve better than this.
Gettleman should be shown the door tomorrow. It is not even a debate anymore.
We add insult to that with the D that can’t rush the passer or force TOs so we can’t cover long enough so we can’t get off the field so we wear down against the run leading to more points putting the O in position to press harder leading to turnovers.
On STs we run back kicks short of the 25 and commit penalties putting us in worse position for an O struggling and pressing to amplify mistakes.
The 3 phases insult the game of football and fans seamlessly, each screwing the other...
What good play is he going to highlight on offense? One of the Jones designed runs? Desperation plays? I don’t know. Will be difficult to find anything positive.
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I don't want him to show us how the 3 good plays of the game worked. If he can't show why all the other plays sucked then I'm not interested.
What good play is he going to highlight on offense? One of the Jones designed runs? Desperation plays? I don’t know. Will be difficult to find anything positive.
Maybe Gano's 52 yd FG? He could focus on the blocking.
They felt so comfortable with their roster they added DT Javon Kinlaw in the 1st round to an already stacked DLine. The Giants used to stack DLinemen like that. When you do that - a Nick Bosa and Soloman Thomas go down and you just keep trucking.
We weren't going to stop that offense. Mullens has been playing in that system long enough to do damage. And as we're seeing play out - the Giants have the worst Edge defenders in the NFL. As Shanahan told the commentators before the game - they were going to attack the Giants edges.
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
We suck. The Jets suck. We could combine both teams and it would still be the worst roster in the NFL. It’s going to take years of good moves to crawl out of this mess.
The NYG & the NYJ are the New York Knicks of the NFL.
Maybe 2 wins combined for the NY teams.
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That’s an amazing stat. Ginats offense should be fresh next week because they barely played today
Same nonsense thats been going on since 2013. If you looked up 15 games in that time frame I'd bet the giants lost time of possession in 13 of them
TOP is a stat that is heavily swayed on how well your team is playing, it doesn't really say anything in of itself. Similar to run pass split. This team couldn't get off the field on long yardsage 2nd and 3rd downs. Points to major problems in pash rush and/or coverage. Combine that with a fact that this team can't run the ball keeping clock moving as well as moving chains, well you get that.
Now we know how long it takes to walk on the field, run 4 plays and walk off 7 times.
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
Even if Lawrence is not the qb, you can certainly see them going all in for a qb in 2022 draft. Near 100% certainly that the GM and Head Coach who drafted Jones will no longer be with the franchise. It’s also like most of the scouts will be gone as well.
I know they're a mess, but I have to say COVID was terribly timed for a team with as many changes as they have gone through.
I hear ya.
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I’m not ready to give up on Jones just yet. I’m old enough to remember that people were ready to give Eli the heave ho after his first few years. And he had a much, much better team top to bottom
That sums it up very well.
This is the first time I am concerned about Daniel Jones, however. I am still not sure if the quickest way to success is "tearing it down" if we get the first pick and "rebooting" the rebuild with Trevor Lawrence, or if this is one of those games a young QB, like Jones, typically goes through and we need to be (even more) patient. I don't know gentlemen, my post isn't adding any value, I am just venting.
But being fair to him. We have a below avg off line (suck at run blocking and below avg pass blocking). He leads the NFL in pressure for a QB.
Our weapons are completely overrated. If they aren't hurt then they are simply under performing. No defense respects our rushing attack and we are one dimensional. That is a lot to put on a QB.
Throw in a defense that can't get off the field or force turnovers its just a sh*tty situation for a young QB.
This is on DG, not Daniel Jones. The roster blows and he has had plenty of time, $$$, and draft choices to make this team competitive.
How about this: “The long snapper snaps it, now watch this, the holder catches it.. holds it and turns it.. you see how the laces are out? That’s what you want here, and the kicker plants and kicks, plants and kicks, let’s see that on the all-22, plants and kicks, and 3 points.”
Sober up pal...DJ is not the issue...the little to no talent around him may be a a bigger issue
The 1978 Giants were 6-5 going into that fumble of 78 game...these Giants have won 12 games in 3 seasons + 3 games, or less than 4 games a season
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That things won't change until we suffer another "Fumble of 78"
The 1978 Giants were 6-5 going into that fumble of 78 game...these Giants have won 12 games in 3 seasons + 3 games, or less than 4 games a season
Correction, the 1978 Giants were 5-6...at least those guys had a defense that hit people hard
And Shepard!
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Welp, hopefully I won't continue to be called miserable for pointing out the obvious here...
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I’m not ready to give up on Jones just yet. I’m old enough to remember that people were ready to give Eli the heave ho after his first few years. And he had a much, much better team top to bottom
I hear you - I definitely have not given up on Jones, I've said a few times that when it comes to the problems with this franchise, he's really not very high on the list. Or at least I don't think he should be.
But I am wondering how coachable he is/isn't. I certainly expect him to get better than he is now - he hasn't even started 16 games yet, but there are some mechanical things he's doing and mistakes he's making that might just plague him. If he can't curtail the turnovers, he's going to have a hard time ever taking the next step. Just cannot give the football away as often as he does.
Beyond that, I just think Lawrence is too good a prospect to pass up if we should be so fortunate to be in a position to draft him. I think you just have to take the guy and figure out what you'll do with Jones later.
If not, I'm okay moving forward with Jones, but Gettleman's gotta go and I'm not sure his replacement is going to want to continue along in that direction. Then again, if it's Abrams, that's exactly what we'll do and on we'll go...
So, let's hope that's not the solution here.
Just a really crappy place to be in right now.
I’m a bit shocked at how easily they totally dissected the entire team and yes it’s a bunch of back ups just like our guys. Now here comes the real coaching go back to the film room look at how those guys performed during the entire game see if there is anything you might be able to do don’t watch your film nothing to learn from that. DJ needs some real weapons or he’s going to become very frustrated player asking himself where are my skill players? Best plays we ran all day him running the ball is that the future for him and this team.
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Welp, hopefully I won't continue to be called miserable for pointing out the obvious here...
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I’m not ready to give up on Jones just yet. I’m old enough to remember that people were ready to give Eli the heave ho after his first few years. And he had a much, much better team top to bottom
I hear you - I definitely have not given up on Jones, I've said a few times that when it comes to the problems with this franchise, he's really not very high on the list. Or at least I don't think he should be.
But I am wondering how coachable he is/isn't. I certainly expect him to get better than he is now - he hasn't even started 16 games yet, but there are some mechanical things he's doing and mistakes he's making that might just plague him. If he can't curtail the turnovers, he's going to have a hard time ever taking the next step. Just cannot give the football away as often as he does.
Beyond that, I just think Lawrence is too good a prospect to pass up if we should be so fortunate to be in a position to draft him. I think you just have to take the guy and figure out what you'll do with Jones later.
If not, I'm okay moving forward with Jones, but Gettleman's gotta go and I'm not sure his replacement is going to want to continue along in that direction. Then again, if it's Abrams, that's exactly what we'll do and on we'll go...
So, let's hope that's not the solution here.
Just a really crappy place to be in right now.
Agreed arc... You don't pass on Lawrence. Certainly not for Jones.
Will be another long year and very high pick in April.
Guy threw for 343 with a back-up TE, back-up RB, and a slew of #2 (at best) WRs. No INTs and completing 70% of his passes.
Just unbelievable...
Gates is not a natural center. Move him to RG and sit Zeitler. He looks old and slow. Then sit Hernandez and replace him with Lemieux. Hernandez is Jon Halapio II. Strong as hell, slow as hell. Not athletic. Gets beat by his man constantly. Then put Pulley at center. Okay so he’s not likely to be a Pro Bowler but he knows the position.
If they can get a better push from the middle and run the ball with some consistency, the passing game should improve (Jones rarely has a clean pocket), the offense will be able to sustain drives and stay out longer and the defense will be fresher when they are out there.
He should do it now before the season is lost.