in some areas is trying to fix the issues he had. He has a new hesitancy in his delivery because he is clearly trying to dial it down and not forcing as many balls into tight coverage. He's noticeably stronger with the ball at all times and his only real fumble came on double clutching.
Welp, hopefully I won't continue to be called miserable for pointing out the obvious here...
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I’m not ready to give up on Jones just yet. I’m old enough to remember that people were ready to give Eli the heave ho after his first few years. And he had a much, much better team top to bottom
I hear you - I definitely have not given up on Jones, I've said a few times that when it comes to the problems with this franchise, he's really not very high on the list. Or at least I don't think he should be.
But I am wondering how coachable he is/isn't. I certainly expect him to get better than he is now - he hasn't even started 16 games yet, but there are some mechanical things he's doing and mistakes he's making that might just plague him. If he can't curtail the turnovers, he's going to have a hard time ever taking the next step. Just cannot give the football away as often as he does.
Beyond that, I just think Lawrence is too good a prospect to pass up if we should be so fortunate to be in a position to draft him. I think you just have to take the guy and figure out what you'll do with Jones later.
If not, I'm okay moving forward with Jones, but Gettleman's gotta go and I'm not sure his replacement is going to want to continue along in that direction. Then again, if it's Abrams, that's exactly what we'll do and on we'll go...
So, let's hope that's not the solution here.
Just a really crappy place to be in right now.
Agreed arc... You don't pass on Lawrence. Certainly not for Jones.
Same old Giants. No improvement at all. Not even competitive. They stink from top to bottom. Two biggest problems are inability to run the ball and getfing off the field on third downs. Pass rush is spotty and young DBs look like Keystone Kops. Middle of the OL getting pushed back constantly.
Will be another long year and very high pick in April.
Guy threw for 343 with a back-up TE, back-up RB, and a slew of #2 (at best) WRs. No INTs and completing 70% of his passes.
Just unbelievable...
Me too. Scary that Mullens outplayed Jones by a very large margin. However, the Niner OL is something to envy. McGinley and Willams as tackles are no joke.
Judge needs to send a message to the team and now. I think the first thing he needs to do is change out the middle of the OL. They can hardly pick up a yard with the group they have in there now. It’s embarrassing. If he can fix that so they can get 3-4 yds per carry, other problems will correct themselves.
Gates is not a natural center. Move him to RG and sit Zeitler. He looks old and slow. Then sit Hernandez and replace him with Lemieux. Hernandez is Jon Halapio II. Strong as hell, slow as hell. Not athletic. Gets beat by his man constantly. Then put Pulley at center. Okay so he’s not likely to be a Pro Bowler but he knows the position.
If they can get a better push from the middle and run the ball with some consistency, the passing game should improve (Jones rarely has a clean pocket), the offense will be able to sustain drives and stay out longer and the defense will be fresher when they are out there.
Jimmy G is a very accurate passer. Last year, he completed more passes in tight coverage than any QB in the NFL. The 49ers wide receivers don't get much separation.
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Welp, hopefully I won't continue to be called miserable for pointing out the obvious here...
The Giants are a bottom 3 team in this league right now. The Jets are quite honestly the only team that might be worse.
This is an awful team. Absolutely awful. The defense does some things well here and there, but they can't stop 3rd and longs - I think they're still chasing Aiyuk - they just got absolutely carved by a backup without any real weapons outside of a strong OL.
Jones continues to be a turnover machine, and if this doesn't improve, none of the other stuff matters. He cannot continue to give the football away week after week. The Giants cannot overcome it. They just aren't good enough.
The run blocking is putrid. I'm not sure why anyone is convinced this OL is on the mend or being fixed. It's still horrendous. Thomas obviously needs time, but I don't see a single "given" in any of the other 4 spots.
It's going to be another very long football season bereft of wins.
At this point, I hope Trevor Lawrence is a Giant by this time next year.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I’m not ready to give up on Jones just yet. I’m old enough to remember that people were ready to give Eli the heave ho after his first few years. And he had a much, much better team top to bottom
I hear you - I definitely have not given up on Jones, I've said a few times that when it comes to the problems with this franchise, he's really not very high on the list. Or at least I don't think he should be.
But I am wondering how coachable he is/isn't. I certainly expect him to get better than he is now - he hasn't even started 16 games yet, but there are some mechanical things he's doing and mistakes he's making that might just plague him. If he can't curtail the turnovers, he's going to have a hard time ever taking the next step. Just cannot give the football away as often as he does.
Beyond that, I just think Lawrence is too good a prospect to pass up if we should be so fortunate to be in a position to draft him. I think you just have to take the guy and figure out what you'll do with Jones later.
If not, I'm okay moving forward with Jones, but Gettleman's gotta go and I'm not sure his replacement is going to want to continue along in that direction. Then again, if it's Abrams, that's exactly what we'll do and on we'll go...
So, let's hope that's not the solution here.
Just a really crappy place to be in right now.
Agreed arc... You don't pass on Lawrence. Certainly not for Jones.
Will be another long year and very high pick in April.
Guy threw for 343 with a back-up TE, back-up RB, and a slew of #2 (at best) WRs. No INTs and completing 70% of his passes.
Just unbelievable...
Gates is not a natural center. Move him to RG and sit Zeitler. He looks old and slow. Then sit Hernandez and replace him with Lemieux. Hernandez is Jon Halapio II. Strong as hell, slow as hell. Not athletic. Gets beat by his man constantly. Then put Pulley at center. Okay so he’s not likely to be a Pro Bowler but he knows the position.
If they can get a better push from the middle and run the ball with some consistency, the passing game should improve (Jones rarely has a clean pocket), the offense will be able to sustain drives and stay out longer and the defense will be fresher when they are out there.
He should do it now before the season is lost.