When DG took over three years ago he along with everyone else admitted the fixing offensive line had to be a or the priority to get this mess turned around. It's probably also the #1 reason Reese was canned.
Three years later we've made minimal - if any - progress on fixing the line. You simply cannot operate an offense with a function offensive line. How many times do we have to repeat this?
Despite a lot of big talk of "hog mollies" DG has simply NOT made it a priority to fix the OL. The most glaring omission IMO was trading three draft picks to move up and take DeAndre Baker. There were a plethora of highly rated tackles on the board that we could have taken by sitting still with our high 2nd round pick instead of trading up for Baker. And I felt this way long before Baker turned into a complete bust. If you make a move like that you're just paying lip service to making the OL your priority.
The second unforgivable mistake was not picking up a legit center going into this year. We knew we had nothing but hopes and dreams at center, and passed on centers in the draft and FA this year. Why? Why? What the hell was the plan for center this year? Play an UDFA who's never played the position before? Rely on someone as objectively awful as Pulley?
Also, after 3 years to try and fix the line we're counting on a journeyman to start at RT? Really? A guy who could have been picked up by anyone in the league? That's the fucking plan? Or maybe the plan was to hope that Solder would someone suck less than he had over the past two years while paying him $16M?
Say what you will but all lip service to the contrary DG has not made fixing the OL a priority and he needs to be fired ASAP and we need to get someone in here who will make this a priority. I don't care who the hell we have at WR, RB, or even QB until we get this mess of a line fixed. I don't even care if we have a defense that can't get off the field for now
Just fix the fucking offensive line!!!!!!! I can't watch 60% of our plays getting blown up behind the LOS because we can't block anyone. Enough of this shit.
I would argue that the pandemic is all the more reason that the Giants should have obtained a player with experience at center. Let's not forget that the pandemic was in full effect during the draft, why not draft Biadasz instead of yet another DB? Why not sign a FA center and use Gates as a swing OL and develop him at C during a full training camp next year? Several FA centers were available at modest prices. Could they be any worse than Gates?
2020 Free Agent Centers - ( New Window )
enough with the excuses, we have had a decade of them
He has. But his efforts have been a tragically poor. For a guy who waddles around claiming this is his specialty, he looks totally incompetent right now.
Otherwise I'm not sure how you draft a RB at #2 overall and then not do everything in your power to give him a solid to great OL to run behind.
He did do everything to build an OL for SB (and Eli), he just failed:
- Signed Solder (after Norwell went to Jags)
- Signed Omameh - missed horribly here
- Drafted Hernandez at the top of the 2nd
That's 3 new OL starters.
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he thought Barkley was so amazing and special that he wouldn't really need much of an OL to run behind, and then defenses would have to load up to stop the run and that would make our passing game much easier.
Otherwise I'm not sure how you draft a RB at #2 overall and then not do everything in your power to give him a solid to great OL to run behind.
He did do everything to build an OL for SB (and Eli), he just failed:
- Signed Solder (after Norwell went to Jags)
- Signed Omameh - missed horribly here
- Drafted Hernandez at the top of the 2nd
That's 3 new OL starters.
Problem is, he needed 5 new starters that year...
And looking to FA for OL just doesn't count anymore. It's no surprise when you miss in FA on OL... They wouldn't be FA if they were worth a damn.
BBI heads would have exploded had we taken him after the combine he had. Didn't he get like 14 reps on the bench as opposed to the 25 some RBs were getting?
In comment 14988028 sb from NYT Forum said:
Orlando Brown Jr. was a unanimous (AP, AFCA, FWAA, WCFF, TSN, SI, USAT, ESPN, CBS, CFN, Athlon) All-American OT.
He had a bad combine and that's why he dropped out of the first round. Was he risk as a 1st rounder based on his bad combine? Sure. But by the third round he was not just a value pick but a steal.
Gettleman could have picked Bloom with either of this 3rd rounders, instead he picks BJ Hill and Lorenzo Carter.
Meanwhile the Ravens pick Bloom who has been their starting RT since his rookie year.
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Who played yesterday for Dallas and looked better than anything the Giants have had since O’Hara. But we had to take a smurf slot corner who holds on 3rd and 22.
if you're going to base your evaluation of Holmes vs Biadasz on one game in week 3 of their rookie seasons, then you really are an idiot.
Want to bet on who has the better career?
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he thought Barkley was so amazing and special that he wouldn't really need much of an OL to run behind, and then defenses would have to load up to stop the run and that would make our passing game much easier.
Otherwise I'm not sure how you draft a RB at #2 overall and then not do everything in your power to give him a solid to great OL to run behind.
He did do everything to build an OL for SB (and Eli), he just failed:
- Signed Solder (after Norwell went to Jags)
- Signed Omameh - missed horribly here
- Drafted Hernandez at the top of the 2nd
That's 3 new OL starters.
This is the same shit people used to say about Reese. Carbon copy. Throwing shit against the wall doesn’t count as “doing everything.”
Anyway, I think he's got 4/5ths of the line figured out.
No offense to you but this is the same broken record we've heard over-and-over since DG has been the GM. Further, how often have we heard in the past after draft day how DG "NAILED IT?"
How often have we heard the same type of posts you are saying now that's been posted comparing the prior year vs the upcoming year and how each individual player was better only to end up with a same crummy OLINE because even if the a few might have more talent they function miserably?
There is nothing that indicates what you're saying about the 2 new OL will come true. It's all based on blind hope. Yet we've seen so much incompetence from DG since he became GM. So he has been horrid for the past few years yet NOW - THIS YEAR- ALL OF SUDDEN he is going to "HIT VERY WELL" with a 3rd AND 4th rounder that either this year or next year the OLINE is going to be good?
We haven't even seen these guys play 1 quarter of pro football with a lousy recent track record we've seen from DG yet you're proclaiming these two guys are going to be good going forward? Your comments are the same broken record we've heard over-and-over.
I blame part of that on the previous coaching staff. He played primarily RG in college and Zeitler played his best football at LG. But, Hernandez was played at LG from day one, likely to put him next to a veteran LT in Solder, as opposed to a dumpster fire in Flowers at RT. If they were flip flopped, would either of them or the OL overall have been any better? Who knows. But it sucks now, and Hernandez, whether you like him or not (and I REALLY want to like him), is a big part of that.
I would play Lemieux at LG and Peart at RT right now. We literally have nothing to lose. The OL has performed that poorly, especially the guys they would replace.
As for OC, we don't have a better viable option. So, we continue to take our lumps with Gates and hope he improves. Almost to a man here at BBI, the expectation was that Gates would win the job and anchor the middle of the line. That might have been false hope, which we really needed. If he improves over the course of the season, we may still have something. If not, OC is an immediate need and RG is something we need to start thinking about with Zeitler already 30 and just OK.
But there's some good stuff on tape, too. BUt there are also some really strange alignments, motions and decisions by our OC.
Another good Talkin' Giants OL segment that's well worth the 25 minute watch.
Week 3 Talkin' Giants OL report - ( New Window )
But there's some good stuff on tape, too. BUt there are also some really strange alignments, motions and decisions by our OC.
Another good Talkin' Giants OL segment that's well worth the 25 minute watch. Week 3 Talkin' Giants OL report - ( New Window )
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