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What are the odds about Bill Belichick being our next GM?

idinkido : 10/10/2020 4:49 pm
Belichick has nothing to prove as an NFL coach? What that he can win without Brady? Nonsense, of course he can and that's not a knock on Brady. Hopefully New England holds no more charm to Bill, and he's willing to come back to his old NFL roots/family and start a new phase in life.
Zero Point Zero  
Anakim : 10/10/2020 4:55 pm : link
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Great coach  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/10/2020 4:56 pm : link
Not sure he is that great as a GM
Belichick the coach is a HoFer.  
robbieballs2003 : 10/10/2020 4:58 pm : link
Belichick the GM leaves a lot to be desired. People kill Gettleman for the Williams trade. Look at the Sanu trade from Belichick. People always say do things the Patriots way like don't overspend in FA. That only works because not only do they win but they win consistently. That model has proven to not work time and time again. It has failed miserably by others. It can't be replicated because there is no other HC like Belichick.
Belichick  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2020 5:11 pm : link
is maybe better at getting contribution from later round draft picks than any other GM/coach - especially on D and OL, but his early picks haven't been stellar, especially at skill positions and CB.

I'd only want him as GM if he were coach too.

And Anakim might have overstated the odds, if possible it could be less than 0.0

RE: Belichick the coach is a HoFer.  
rsjem1979 : 10/10/2020 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15002548 robbieballs2003 said:
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Belichick the GM leaves a lot to be desired. People kill Gettleman for the Williams trade. Look at the Sanu trade from Belichick.


Those are not comparable for one very important reason, the Patriots were contenders filling a very specific need. The Giants were a rebuilding team who burned draft capital to acquire a pending free agent who they subsequently franchise tagged.
It's a little mythical that  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2020 5:25 pm : link
the Patriots don't spend in FA.

They prefer to trade (Talib, Brown, Van Noy, Welker, etc.)

but when they can't they selectively pick FA's.

Stephon Gilmore was made the highest paid CB when they signed him (and worth every penny).

They signed Revis - top CB $$$ (one year)
Antonio Brown (top WR money - one year)

and many more if you go back further (Harrison, Colvin, Thomas, etc.)

but they limit their exposure and risk when possible.
The Patriots were 7 - 0  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2020 5:35 pm : link
and obviously a contender when they acquired Sanu - and they had a clear need at WR with all the injuries/suspensions.

Sanu was also signed for the next season, at an affordable contract.

Comparing that trade with the Williams trade is like comparing apples and bicycles.
RE: RE: Belichick the coach is a HoFer.  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2020 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15002564 rsjem1979 said:
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In comment 15002548 robbieballs2003 said:


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Belichick the GM leaves a lot to be desired. People kill Gettleman for the Williams trade. Look at the Sanu trade from Belichick.



Those are not comparable for one very important reason, the Patriots were contenders filling a very specific need. The Giants were a rebuilding team who burned draft capital to acquire a pending free agent who they subsequently franchise tagged.


Draft capital? Was it something besides draft picks or are you just being fancy?
you're on drugs  
markky : 10/10/2020 5:42 pm : link
and out of control
Less Than Zero - ( New Window )
He's hunting Shula...  
bw in dc : 10/10/2020 5:50 pm : link
and more SBs. And he's 68.

< 0%.
All the comments are why you all don’t want him as GM. No one  
Ivan15 : 10/10/2020 5:53 pm : link
Has given reasons why Mara-Tisch won’t choose him.

A good GM builds a successful organization. Is Lynch a good GM? His record so far says he probably is. Is BB a good GM? He has a good record and hasn’t fired his coach yet.
At this stage,the reverse scenario is far more likely  
ghost718 : 10/10/2020 5:54 pm : link
Judge gets wacked, limps back to New England.A group hug takes place with Belichick,McDaniels,and Patricia(also canned)

They follow that up with a Subway lunch,in which Belichick is treating.He also hands out coupons to the table.
I wouldn't say the odds are zero.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/10/2020 6:10 pm : link
But I would estimate the chances of it happening are less than 1%. Maybe less than 0.5%. It's extremely unlikely.

He'd have to give up coaching (unlikely), leave the Patriots (even more unlikely), choose to become a GM (yet more unlikely). Then the Giants job would have to be available (pretty likely, actually) and he'd have to be offered the job (not a sure thing) and be willing to take it (also not a sure thing).

It seems like an extremely unlikely series of events to me. But unlikely things happen all the time. Life is weird that way.
Personally, I think Belichick will move to a GM job  
idinkido : 10/10/2020 6:18 pm : link
Maybe not with the Giants but somewhere, and its not going to be so many years from now. Judge is Belichick's protégée, and I think that is important to Bill. Giants may be a pipe dream but again, in my opinion, his move to a GM position with another team is going to happen.
I don't feel like getting into 1 move for each team so this will be  
robbieballs2003 : 10/10/2020 6:26 pm : link
the last I post on it as to not derail the thread as I see it going that way.

Yes, the Williams trade and Sanu trade were different. Not arguing that. What I am saying is that the Pats gave up a second round pick for a player who is no longer with the team who is an older player. He also really didn't help them. It was highly criticized and rightfully so. The Williams trade was made with the intention of getting more talent on this team long term. While I was critical of it I also understand why. He was a former early first round pick coming off his rookie deal.

The whole point of the post was if you criticized the Williams trade then that Sanu trade was worse and Belichick is not great because of his GM moves. His value lies in his coaching ability. This isn't criticizing him as he is the greatest HC that ever lived imo. But people seem to blend his ability to coach and manage and they need to separate the two. That's all.

I can also get into his less than stellar draft picks. I didn't. Where he has success is manipulating the draft to acquire more picks to increase the chances of landing players that will stick but that also leads to more misses as well. His percentage of hitting isn't something that is greater than others. He just values things players can do well and as a coach he takes advantage of that but it always comes back to his coaching ability.
RE: RE: RE: Belichick the coach is a HoFer.  
rsjem1979 : 10/10/2020 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15002573 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15002564 rsjem1979 said:


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In comment 15002548 robbieballs2003 said:


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Belichick the GM leaves a lot to be desired. People kill Gettleman for the Williams trade. Look at the Sanu trade from Belichick.



Those are not comparable for one very important reason, the Patriots were contenders filling a very specific need. The Giants were a rebuilding team who burned draft capital to acquire a pending free agent who they subsequently franchise tagged.



Draft capital? Was it something besides draft picks or are you just being fancy?


Sorry, I'll make sure to dumb it down for you in the future.
lol  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2020 6:44 pm : link
yeah, calling draft picks, draft capital, when they are literally the same thing is so smart. Maybe some day if I study really hard I can use unnecessary words to make myself sound learned.

Keeping saying something that you heard some talking head on ESPN or NFL network say that makes you sound like a douche bag, mister fancy pants.
RE: Personally, I think Belichick will move to a GM job  
bw in dc : 10/10/2020 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15002597 idinkido said:
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Maybe not with the Giants but somewhere, and its not going to be so many years from now. Judge is Belichick's protégée, and I think that is important to Bill. Giants may be a pipe dream but again, in my opinion, his move to a GM position with another team is going to happen.


Just curious - why do you think BB is interested in a GM only spot?

At his core, he's a teacher of football. He loves being on the field. Once he's done with that, I think he's gone...
RE: lol  
adamg : 10/10/2020 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15002615 pjcas18 said:
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yeah, calling draft picks, draft capital, when they are literally the same thing is so smart. Maybe some day if I study really hard I can use unnecessary words to make myself sound learned.

Keeping saying something that you heard some talking head on ESPN or NFL network say that makes you sound like a douche bag, mister fancy pants.


You're doing yeoman's work here. Draft capital needs to die. As does irregardless and per say.
The yearly BB can rescue us thread is a bit early this year  
adamg : 10/10/2020 8:25 pm : link
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Maybe I am limiting Belichick's choices. Possibly he will move to the  
idinkido : 10/10/2020 10:22 pm : link
position of being a team's president. Coaching in the NFL is an exhausting profession. The job comes first and everything is second. Bill has a second wife. Possibly he would want to spend more time with her and possibly he would want to explore other things to do in life. We will see what happens. Life is filled with variables that affect our choices.
RE: lol  
rsjem1979 : 10/10/2020 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15002615 pjcas18 said:
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yeah, calling draft picks, draft capital, when they are literally the same thing is so smart. Maybe some day if I study really hard I can use unnecessary words to make myself sound learned.

Keeping saying something that you heard some talking head on ESPN or NFL network say that makes you sound like a douche bag, mister fancy pants.


You're embarrassing yourself.
He can win without Brady  
GMen72 : 10/11/2020 2:58 am : link
but he's 0-1 without Cam. I definitely see him retiring anyday to become the Giants GM. Problem is, he trades down...that would make heads explode in this organization.
RE: The Patriots were 7 - 0  
section125 : 10/11/2020 5:39 am : link
In comment 15002572 pjcas18 said:
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and obviously a contender when they acquired Sanu - and they had a clear need at WR with all the injuries/suspensions.

Sanu was also signed for the next season, at an affordable contract.

Comparing that trade with the Williams trade is like comparing apples and bicycles.


Williams is a hell of a lot better player than Sanu
RE: I don't feel like getting into 1 move for each team so this will be  
EricJ : 10/11/2020 6:24 am : link
In comment 15002603 robbieballs2003 said:
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The whole point of the post was if you criticized the Williams trade then that Sanu trade was worse and Belichick is not great because of his GM moves. His value lies in his coaching ability. This isn't criticizing him as he is the greatest HC that ever lived imo. But people seem to blend his ability to coach and manage and they need to separate the two. That's all.

His percentage of hitting isn't something that is greater than others. He just values things players can do well and as a coach he takes advantage of that but it always comes back to his coaching ability.


I think he DOES have value in a front office when it comes to identifying talent and qualities about players that are not measurable. It does not mean he would make a good GM because there is a lot more that comes with that role.

We are sitting here with a team that lacks talent in many areas and out depth has been bad for years. It is easy to see a first round pick and a big free agent signing and then measure a GM based upon those moves. We do it here all of the time. However, what helps to make a team competitive every year are all of the players who go unnoticed. Someone goes down and the next guy can perform without turning it into something other teams can exploit.

So, I would welcome Bill to the organization to bring his eye to the talent evaluation process.... whatever that is. Maybe replace Chris Mara or something.
I personally just don’t see Belichick  
Leg of Theismann : 10/11/2020 7:16 am : link
Enjoying a GM role without being the coach. And part of what makes him a “great GM” is because he gets every player knowing exactly how he’s going to use him as a coach. As a GM he could only sign the players but from the coach would use the players however he wants, and it might not fit with what Belichick’s envisioned exactly.

I have to imagine sitting in the box every week watching as a GM by week 4 he would just get fed up and fire the coach and take over knowing he could do it better lol. It’s like when Michael Jordan decided the best way for him to help the Wizards was to just unretire and play for them because he felt he was better than any of the dudes they were signing. Like really what’s the point of doing your best to field a team to win when you know the best chance they really have is for you to suit up and play for them (or in Belichick’s case— coach them).
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